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The previous post was a broken link,

this is the correct link

http://code.google.com/p/esims/issues/list

We will be using the Google Bug tracking system from now on, because its
more user friendly

http://code.google.com/p/esims/issues

The code has been frozen for the alpha release.

FYI

testing

As mentioned earlier the unguarded setter problem has been fixed and the
latest code has been committed to SVN.

testing changes

Just to clarify , the svn will be active at SF too, (google svn is 
experimental) but the bugs tracking system will be moved to google 
because the bug system in sf.net sucks

The SVN repos have been moved to google's repos effective from today

If you need to checkout, browse this location to checkout the stuff that 
you want..

# Project members authenticate over HTTPS to allow committing changes.
svn checkout */https/*://esims.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/

the username will be your google acct username.

Hi Aasim,

We can include the feature list which you want, but it can be done only 
over subsequent releases; and invariably will take time(maybe every 2-3 
weeks you can expect couple of features to get added).
In the first release we will have these modules

1) Admission (Form issual, receiving, entrance exams, admission)
2) School data mgmt(Classes, Divisions, Subjects, Syllabus etc)
3)Academic Year mgmt.
4)Student mgmt (Attendance, Exam score, Extra curricular activities etc)
5)Exam mgmt

This is not an 'off-the-shelf' product like Windows XP which you buy and 
install and things are over.

We are not into commercial project development, and are not open to the 
idea of making profit from this endeavor.

I'm not aware of any one who can do this for you. Please revert back if 
you have questions.

Thanks
Juby

Aasim wrote:
> Dear
> Mr. Juby Victor.
>
> I was just asking if you can develop a school management software 
> acording to my requirements and if possible if can you let me know how 
> much the charge will be or else can u make the given specified modules 
> for me so that can be inserted in your given software. else can u give 
> me mail id of someone who will be willing to to do the needful for me 
> and his cost price also.
> We are looking to adopt it in Delhi.
>
> */Juby Victor <vi...@ne...>/* wrote:
>
>     Hi Aasim,
>
>     We are currently in the development phase and the first release is
>     expected to be done by May 15 2007. The first release will not
>     include
>     all the features you have mentioned here, but will be more focused on
>     basic things like school, academic year, classes, subjects ,
>     admin, and
>     student information. Support for the remaining modules liek fee
>     collection, store, transportation etc will be added in the subsequent
>     releases.
>
>     Use of this software is free, so theres no cost involved in buying
>     it.
>     We'd also like to know which state and school you are looking to
>     adopt
>     this software. This is a project that has been conceived and
>     developed
>     with the intention of helping India, Just an acknowledgment that
>     you are
>     using this software will be good enough.
>
>     Best regds,
>     The esims team.
>
>
>
>     Aasim wrote:
>     > I was looking for a school management software with the following
>     > modules -
>     >
>     > Modules Required:
>     > 1. Academic Module
>     > 2. Fees Module
>     > 3. Inventory Module
>     > 4. Timetable Module
>     > 5. Test Paper Module
>     > 6. Library Module
>     > 7. Transport Module
>     > 8. Payroll Module
>     > 9. Accounts Module
>     > 10. Admission Module
>     > 11. Inventory Module
>     > 12. Store Module
>     > 13. Administration Module
>     > 14. Internet Module
>     >
>     > Please do let me know if you guys develop software with specified
>     > modules and what will be the cost involved. Please do let me
>     know at
>     > your earliest possible. I need these modules as specified above.
>     > Thanking You,
>     > Aasim
>     >
>     >
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Hi Aasim,

We are currently in the development phase and the first release is 
expected to be done by May 15 2007. The first release will not include 
all the features you have mentioned here, but will be more focused on 
basic things like school, academic year, classes, subjects , admin, and 
student information. Support for the remaining modules liek fee 
collection, store, transportation etc will be added in the subsequent 
releases.

Use of this software is free, so theres no cost involved in buying it. 
We'd also like to know which state and school you are looking to adopt 
this software. This is a project that has been conceived and developed 
with the intention of helping India, Just an acknowledgment that you are 
using this software will be good enough.

Best regds,
The esims team.

Aasim wrote:
> I was looking for a school management software with the following 
> modules -
>
> Modules Required:
> 1. Academic Module
> 2. Fees Module
> 3. Inventory Module
> 4. Timetable Module
> 5. Test Paper Module
> 6. Library Module
> 7. Transport Module
> 8. Payroll Module
> 9. Accounts Module
> 10. Admission Module
> 11. Inventory Module
> 12. Store Module
> 13. Administration Module
> 14. Internet Module
>
> Please do let me know if you guys develop software with specified 
> modules and what will be the cost involved. Please do let me know at 
> your earliest possible. I need these modules as specified above.
> Thanking You,
> Aasim
>
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Hi All,

Hope you guys are in the best of spirits, I have been working on the 
project quite a bit and we have reached a phase where all the entities 
and core data flows(CRUD) has been completed.

Now that the code base is pretty much stable, I've moved the entire code 
base to the trunk.

This will be the base version of the code, and any further releases will 
spawn out from this code base. ( We can expect that some schools may 
need customization)
 From now, the latest code will be available under
https://esims.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/esims/trunk/app/esims-phoenix.

'phoenix' will be the first release and I think the first release can 
happen by May 15 2007.

I have also repo'd  the docs and the website of the project. If anyone 
of you could help in documenting the project ie User Guide, Admin guide 
, Setup guide etc, it will be of great help. However I know that all are 
very busy and I'll try to do something on that front too if no one 
volunteers.

Another update we have is that we have got some potential users who are 
ready to try the application.Two of them are in Bangalore and one is in 
Tamilnadu ( India). However these are private schools.Apart from that at 
least some of you maybe aware of the NGO from Pune (India) who contacted us.

Ive updated the official website a bit, you can have a look at it @ 
http://esims.sf.net if interested and have the time.

Sooner or later there maybe one more guy getting added to the project 
who has the functional knowledge of the system, and has contact with the 
schools who are willing to use eSIMS.

Finally I'm trying to add one more UI designer to help out with the UI. 
This is one bottle neck I see in the release. However, I hope that 
things will turn out at the right time and May 15 will not be overshot.

Thats all for now,

Thanks and take care
JV

hey guys

it looks like my hay days of being busy are done... would like to know 
whats the current status and how I can help.

ashay

Juby, Thanks for your wishes...

  I too wish everyone a Merry X'mas !!!

Juby Victor <vi...@ne...> wrote:
  Wish you all a Merry Xmas !! Have a gala time

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Hi
Ive created a new branch called esims-docs under the branches of our 
SVN. Kindly commit any docs to it from now.

This branch will be the  official doc repo from now.

Hopefully it'll speed up the chkout of the src :)

I've added the existing docs + 2 new zip files that have flash movies on 
setting up the environment of esims on the local machines

Thanks
Juby

Hi
Ive commited the draft proj struct to be followed as 
'esims-final-10-dec-06' under the branch, and the project is now open 
for discussion and freeze. Once we will finalize on this we'll 
concentrate  on doing some work than refactoring and repackaging  ;-)

Jermel,
First of all thanx a lot for the effort put in despite your hectic 
schedule..

Let me try to answer your questions..this maybe of benefit to others too ,

Semesters dont exist here in schooling system, it does in colleges. So 
in order to be flexible lets call it some other name.

A subject is v generic ; like 'english' / 'maths'
A course is a subclass of subject taught in an academic year for a 
particular class by a particular teacher. eg:- English for Std 5
Course will have a set of chapters to be taught from the prescribed text 
book, which we call as syllabus, this set may /maynot have all chapters 
in the text book.
So the course will contain subject id , syllabus id , academic year id, 
class id  and teacher id

Many courses with their individual syllabus will be clubbed together to 
form a 'curriculum' . A curriculum needs to be associated with multiple 
'courses' and one academic year
eg:- curicullum for std 5 will have 'englih, maths  ... AND syllabus for 
english, syllabus for maths ...' etc

A class will be associated with a curicullum (Please note that class is 
not standard ; standard is say 5th std , but 'class' is group of 
students in a standard , in a particular division for a particular 
academic year undergoing the torture of a curriculum) we need to find a 
different name for 'class' too

A typical academic year is of 10 months for a particular class , and the 
remaining 2 months are summer vacations

A teacher may teach multiple subjects in multiple 'classes'
A class will always have a 'class teacher' ,academic year , curicullum 
id, and in turn curriculum will be associated with syllabi (multiple 
syllabus for courses)

Creatin new databases for each year looks like a big maintenance 
overhead to me , and we cant afford to forget a student if some data 
loss happens ;) , and many a times data migration can be painful. If the 
need calls for we can go for a slightly denormalized db to avoid perf hits.

Java Generics
Im not v convinced of the value addition it gives b'coz ive never used 
it in production. To be honest i'm not sure and comfortable with writing 
and using generic types. But always + for using it in collections and 
for loops. As mentioned earlier the DAO repetition problem can be solved 
by implementing an interface.

Ashay
If you are aware of the pros and cons of generics can u plz give us some 
insight ?

Ive still not been able to do the commit to the branch , and i'll try to 
do it today so that u guys can have a look at it. It may not be complete 
, but it will give a overall picture of what we have.

Thnx
JV

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Menu/Nav will be done this weekend.. i promise...my a** is under fireright
now..so could not do much :).. I go for TIGRE!!! ;)

On 12/7/06, Juby Victor <vi...@ne...> wrote:
>
> Ashay::
> can u plz draw what u have in mind for the menu & nav bar ( in mspaint
> or something )? just a ruff sketch will do no ..
>
> Jermel:
> could u plz send the .sql file ?
>
> Alex:
> Wts the status at your end ?  are u able to get the nuts 'n' bolts of
> spring ?
>
>
> Ive the refactored & repackaged the code.. once the db scripts are in v
> can put it in the branch for discussion and promotion to the trunk
>
> The existing code base will be moved to a branch and will not be
> considered for development..so kindly avoid any work on the existing
> ocde base
>
> Apart from this we need to come to a conclusion on what we need to do
> with the Tiger part.. I'm game for both
>
>
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Ashay::
can u plz draw what u have in mind for the menu & nav bar ( in mspaint 
or something )? just a ruff sketch will do no ..

Jermel:
could u plz send the .sql file ?

Alex:
Wts the status at your end ?  are u able to get the nuts 'n' bolts of 
spring ?

Ive the refactored & repackaged the code.. once the db scripts are in v 
can put it in the branch for discussion and promotion to the trunk

The existing code base will be moved to a branch and will not be 
considered for development..so kindly avoid any work on the existing 
ocde base

Apart from this we need to come to a conclusion on what we need to do 
with the Tiger part.. I'm game for both

i really like generics and it has helped us solve a lot of repeat coding for
us in my company .. i was planning to adapt that in the code for  this
project .... i think Java 5 is mature enuf and it should be used as it elps
us learn more things (even though we have a lot in our plate to learn .. but
hey we are doing an OS project to learn right? :))

ashay

On 12/6/06, Juby Victor <vi...@ne...> wrote:
>
> Some thoughts on moving our app to tiger
>
> The plus points are
>
> 1) Autoboxing
> 2) new for loop that looks cleaner
> 3) Annotations ( I find some really stupid though)
>
> The reservations I have are
>
> 1) Makes declarations of  'Types'  & Collections more tedious and
> 'visibly complex'. It types go wrong a lot of time will be wasted in
> debugging why the class dint compile
> 2) One has to write "Java 5" code than java code,
>     (I dont see a scenario where we will add a Teacher to a list of
> students or so.. coz the entities and VOs we use are sensibly named.)
> 3)  Repeating DAO problem can be handled by just sub classing one base
> class for all entities that need to be persisted and checking if the
> object is an instance of  that base class.
> 4) Additional learning curve (as though we dont have enuf)
>
>
> I feel that we must use a subset of Tiger than just adopting it just
> because its there.. i doubt the value addition it brings into the
> project in just taking it up entirely.
>
> In essence "use what makes sense" is what  I feel , but I go with the
> majority since the code will work both ways
>
> Comments plz
>
> Best regds
> JV
>
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Some thoughts on moving our app to tiger

The plus points are

1) Autoboxing
2) new for loop that looks cleaner
3) Annotations ( I find some really stupid though)

The reservations I have are

1) Makes declarations of  'Types'  & Collections more tedious and 
'visibly complex'. It types go wrong a lot of time will be wasted in 
debugging why the class dint compile
2) One has to write "Java 5" code than java code,
    (I dont see a scenario where we will add a Teacher to a list of 
students or so.. coz the entities and VOs we use are sensibly named.)
3)  Repeating DAO problem can be handled by just sub classing one base 
class for all entities that need to be persisted and checking if the 
object is an instance of  that base class.
4) Additional learning curve (as though we dont have enuf)

I feel that we must use a subset of Tiger than just adopting it just 
because its there.. i doubt the value addition it brings into the 
project in just taking it up entirely.

In essence "use what makes sense" is what  I feel , but I go with the 
majority since the code will work both ways

Comments plz

Best regds
JV

if we really want to have the BEST approach for this I would suggest the use
of Xdoclet (code generation) which creates hibernate mapping files as well
as changes u make in objects straight from the model objects.

as for the refactoring, I personally think u are trying to accomplish a lot
of things at one time. lets stick to a simple approach that works for all of
us and slowly refactor to stuff that sounds smart and effective. the current
code structure is fine with me apart from ... the plurals and the
Uppercases.

I also think we DO NOT need to add an MP3 file in the code, its painful...
please publish a podcast to which we can subscribe to. itunes I believe has
that facility.

thoughts .. more than welcome.

On 12/1/06, Juby Victor <vi...@ne...> wrote:
>
> Hi
> We need to choose which approach to choose for the table design, First
> write the classes and generate tables or Write the tables and generate
> classes from it ?
>
> I personally feel that the latter approach may work better , since we
> are familiar with it
>
>
> Votes needed
>
>
> Thnx
> JV
>
>
>
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Hi can we move the doc out of the trunk folder and maintain it in a branch ?

This is needed bcoz of my huge MP3 file that explains the use cases ? Do 
u really need the mp3 file ? ;-) If not it can be deleted

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