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Re: [ES40-developers] SCSI support for OpenVMS has arrived
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From: Paco L. <pac...@gm...> - 2008-02-18 20:56:05
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Hi:
If your installation goes like mine, tomorrow at breakfast you will have
your OS installed :)
Regards from Spain
Paco
On Feb 18, 2008 9:47 PM, Fausto Saporito <fa...@un...> wrote:
> Hi Paco,
>
> I noticed the disk image file changed one hour ago :-)
> So the installation process is continuing, very slowly...
>
> regards,
> fausto
>
> Paco Linux ha scritto:
> > Hi Fausto:
> >
> > I'm not aware of a strings command for win, but perhaps you can get
> > the same funcionality from cygwin ( a unix-like environment for windows
> )
> >
> > Paco
> >
> > On Feb 18, 2008 9:22 PM, Fausto Saporito <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Paco,
> >
> > thanks for the reply.
> > Do you know if there's a "strings" equivalent command for Windows?
> >
> > thanks,
> > fausto
> >
> > Paco Linux ha scritto:
> > > Hi Fausto,
> > >
> > > As I reported last week, I had also the same error, and the
> > > instalation took a looooong time (more than 14 hours, and the
> > computer
> > > is too powerful), but finally I have got installed..
> > > I have a 'method' of knowing if there is progress or the program
> is
> > > freezed.. I make a " strings file.img | wc -l " to see if the
> > number
> > > of strings in the image increments
> > >
> > > Paco
> > >
> > > On Feb 18, 2008 6:26 PM, <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...> <mailto:fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > after 6 hours the installation is always at 50%.
> > > I don't think it's a nice thing.
> > >
> > > Has anybody some experience with timings of OpenVMS 8.3
> > installation.
> > >
> > > My PC is quite fast... quadcore with 4GB of ram, so I don't
> > think it's
> > > a speed problem.
> > > By the way I'll keep the emulator running for other 2
> > hours... and
> > > let's see.
> > > :-)
> > >
> > > regards,
> > > fausto
> > >
> > > Quoting Camiel Vanderhoeven <iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>:
> > >
> > > > Hello Fausto,
> > > >
> > > > We've seen those occasionally during the installation
> process.
> > > > Sometimes it all works flawless, sometimes we come across
> > one or
> > > more
> > > > of these ACCVIO's... It beats me... It's usually fine if you
> > > reply NO
> > > > to the "terminate" question.
> > > >
> > > > Camiel.
> > > >
> > > > On Feb 18, 2008 3:46 PM, <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>
> > > <mailto:fa...@un... <mailto:fa...@un...>>> wrote:
> > > >> Hello all,
> > > >>
> > > >> some news from Installation world :-)
> > > >>
> > > >> The Openvms installation fails (40%) with a OpenVMS error
> (no
> > > errors
> > > >> in DOS console), maybe some memory error (???).
> > > >>
> > > >> %PCSI-I-PRCOUTPUT, output from subprocess follows ...
> > > >> %SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=00, virtual
> > > >> address=000000000019E08C, PC=000000007FDC3BB4, PS=0000001B
> > > >>
> > > >> %PCSI-E-MODREPLERR, error replacing module INSTALL in
> library
> > > >> DISK$ALPHASYS:[VMS$COMMON.][SYSLIB]DCLTABLES.EXE
> > > >> -SYSTEM-F-ACCVIO, access violation, reason mask=!XB,
> virtual
> > > >> address=!XH, PC=!XH, PS=!XL
> > > >> %PCSI-E-OPFAILED, operation failed
> > > >> Terminating is strongly recommended. Do you want to
> > terminate?
> > > [YES]
> > > >>
> > > >> I replied "NO" :-) So I'll keep you in touch about the
> > news...
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> regards,
> > > >> fausto
> > > >>
> > > >> Quoting Camiel Vanderhoeven <iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>:
> > > >>
> > > >> > Hello Fausto,
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Yes, those appear to be quite normal. Basically it is the
> > > scsi driver
> > > >> > asking for more data than the device has to offer. The
> > device
> > > will
> > > >> > respectfully decline to send more bytes, and the driver
> has
> > > no problem
> > > >> > with that. I'll put the messages inside a conditional
> > > statement, as
> > > >> > they are only meaningful when debugging the
> SCSI-interface.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Camiel.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > P.S. These specific occurrences of this message are all
> > > related to
> > > >> > OpenVMS' use of the MODE SENSE command. It will set up a
> > > buffer of 256
> > > >> > bytes for it, tell the device to perform a MODE SENSE
> > command and
> > > >> > return 255 bytes max (the maximum allowed), then try to
> get
> > > up to 256
> > > >> > bytes from the device.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > On Feb 18, 2008 2:32 PM, <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>
> > > <mailto:fa...@un... <mailto:fa...@un...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> Hello Camiel,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> i'm testing the new code, all seems ok. Now the init
> works
> > > and the
> > > >> >> installation proceed without any probs.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Just a quick update... during the installation boot, I
> > have
> > > these
> > > >> >> "errors" (????):
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 240 bytes, max 239 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 240 bytes, max 239 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >> SYM: xfer 256 bytes, max 255 expected, in phase 1.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> [...]
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> etc...
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> are they normal?
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> thanks,
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> fausto
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> Quoting Camiel Vanderhoeven <iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> > Hello Fausto,
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I found that this was caused by the READ DISC INFO
> > > command. This
> > > >> >> > command is required only on CD-R/RW devices, which
> > we're not
> > > >> >> > emulating, so rather than try to fi it, I removed
> > support
> > > for this
> > > >> >> > command, returning an ILLEGAL REQUEST sense code
> > instead.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > I've updated it in CVS as well.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > Camiel.
> > > >> >> >
> > > >> >> > On Feb 18, 2008 1:30 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven
> > > >> <iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> Hi Fausto,
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Yes, I did update the code in CVS. I'm trying to boot
> > > from the VMS 8.3
> > > >> >> >> installation cd on the scsi bus, and I see what you
> > mean.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> It seems to be looping on a sequence of 4 scsi
> > commands:
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> INQUIRY
> > > >> >> >> READ DISK INFO
> > > >> >> >> INQUIRY
> > > >> >> >> TEST UNIT READY
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> I'll see if I can find out what's going on...
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> Camiel.
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > > >> >> >> On Feb 18, 2008 1:22 PM, <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>
> > > <mailto:fa...@un... <mailto:fa...@un...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > Hello Camiel,
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > did you update the CVS?
> > > >> >> >> > I updated the code few mins ago, but now the
> > OpenVMS 8.3
> > > >> installation
> > > >> >> >> > seems to loop shortly after the OpenVMS banner.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > These are the memory addresses: 187868 |
> > ffffffff801aa170
> > > >> >> >> > 285915 |
> > ffffffff80012208
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Before the latest update (when I reported the
> format
> > > error), 1 min
> > > >> >> >> > after the openvms banner, I had "Installing some
> > known
> > > required
> > > >> >> >> > files..." message, but in this case, after about 10
> > > mins, nothing
> > > >> >> >> > happens.
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > regards,
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > fausto
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > Quoting Camiel Vanderhoeven <iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>:
> > > >> >> >> >
> > > >> >> >> > > And once again a mail on this subject:
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > I think the problem has been solved. The SCSI
> > command
> > > >> READ CAPACITY
> > > >> >> >> > > returned the number of blocks on disk, where it
> > should
> > > >> return the LBA
> > > >> >> >> > > address of the last block on disk (which is one
> > > less); this caused
> > > >> >> >> > > initialize to try to write beyond the last block.
> > > This has
> > > >> >> been fixed,
> > > >> >> >> > > and initialize now works.
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > Camiel.
> > > >> >> >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > > On Feb 17, 2008 4:49 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven
> > > >> >> >> <iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > >> Hello,
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> I've made a couple of changes (implemented some
> > > missing SCSI
> > > >> >> >> > >> commands), but now an attempt to initialize
> > (format)
> > > a SCSI
> > > >> >> disk fails
> > > >> >> >> > >> with
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> $ init dka500 test
> > > >> >> >> > >> %INIT-F-MEDOFL, medium is offline
> > > >> >> >> > >> $
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> Which is a bit strange, because sho dev shows
> the
> > > device as
> > > >> >> "online".
> > > >> >> >> > >> The attempt to format the disk increases the
> > > error-count by one.
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> Camiel.
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> On Feb 16, 2008 8:36 PM, <fa...@un...
> > <mailto:fa...@un...>
> > > <mailto:fa...@un... <mailto:fa...@un...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > >> > Hello again,
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > maybe too fast to write my previous message
> :-)
> > > >> >> >> > >> > The emulator crashed when it started to
> > format the
> > > disk with
> > > >> >> >> this message:
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > pci0.3(sym53c810).disk0.0(file): Unknown SCSI
> > > command 0x03.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > SCSI Command Failed: ..\Disk.cpp, line 1390
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > Freeing memory in use by system...
> > > >> >> >> > >> > %VGA-I-SHUTDOWN: vga console has shut down.
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > Maybe there's something still not emulated...
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > fausto
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > Quoting Camiel Vanderhoeven
> > <iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>
> > > <mailto:iam...@gm... <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>:
> > > >> >> >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > > Yes, I forgot that, thanks!
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > > Camiel.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > > On Feb 16, 2008 5:42 PM, brian wheeler
> > > >> >> >> <bdw...@in... <mailto:bdw...@in...>
> > <mailto:bdw...@in... <mailto:bdw...@in...>>> wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> Oh, and this one too:
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> Index: Configurator.cpp
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >>
> > >
> > ===================================================================
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> RCS file:
> > /cvsroot/es40/es40/src/Configurator.cpp,v
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> retrieving revision 1.14
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> diff -u -r1.14 Configurator.cpp
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> --- Configurator.cpp 16 Feb 2008
> 13:00:15
> > > -0000 1.14
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> +++ Configurator.cpp 16 Feb 2008
> > 16:41:55 -0000
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> @@ -518,6 +518,7 @@
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"cirrus", c_cirrus,
> > IS_PCI |
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> ON_GUI },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"dec21143",c_dec21143,
> > IS_PCI |
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> IS_NIC },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"sym53c895", c_sym53c895,
> > IS_PCI |
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> HAS_DISK },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> + {"sym53c810", c_sym53c810,
> > IS_PCI |
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> HAS_DISK },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"file", c_file,
> > > >> >> >> IS_DISK
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"device", c_device,
> > > >> >> >> IS_DISK
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> {"ramdisk", c_ramdisk,
> > > >> >> >> IS_DISK
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> },
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >>
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> On Sat, 2008-02-16 at 14:19 +0100, Camiel
> > > >> Vanderhoeven wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > Hi Again,
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > I haven't been able to get my hands on a
> > > KZPCA yet,
> > > >> >> >> (some of you had
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > suggestions who to ask, I'm pursuing
> > those leads
> > > >> >> now) but in the
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > meantime, I took a good look at the KZPAA
> > > card I do
> > > >> >> have. It's a
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > 53C810-based card, which is fairly
> > similar to the
> > > >> >> >> 53C895. The good
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > news is that this card does not have any
> > > >> firmware. Due to the
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > similarities with the 53C895 it turned
> > out to
> > > be not that
> > > >> >> >> > >> hard to come
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > up with a working emulation. I just
> > > successfully booted
> > > >> >> >> > >> OpenVMS off an
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > emulated SCSI disk.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > I've committed the new code to the CVS
> > > repository. It
> > > >> >> >> will also be in
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > the next release. You'll need to change
> > your
> > > config
> > > >> >> >> file, replace
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > 53c895 with 53c810, and all scsi-disks
> > should
> > > be in the
> > > >> >> >> 0.0 - 0.6
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > range (sorry, no wide scsi on this card).
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > Camiel.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > On Feb 15, 2008 11:54 AM, Camiel
> > Vanderhoeven
> > > >> >> >> > >> <iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...> <mailto:iam...@gm...
> > <mailto:iam...@gm...>>>
> > > wrote:
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > Hello everyone,
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > First, a piece of good news: Eduardo
> > > Marcello Serrat
> > > >> >> >> has found the
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > cause of the bugcheck in the SCSI
> driver.
> > > That means
> > > >> >> >> we're getting
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > closer to working SCSI disks on the
> > emulator
> > > >> >> running OpenVMS.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > Now the bad news, to complete the
> > emulation
> > > of the SCSI
> > > >> >> >> > >> card, we need
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > an image of the firmware ROM on a
> > true DEC
> > > >> 3X-KZPCA-AA SCSI
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > controller.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > If I could get my hands on a real
> > > 3X-KZPCA-AA card, I
> > > >> >> >> > >> could probably
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > manage to extract the contents of the
> > ROM to
> > > >> >> create an image.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > If any of you happen to have one of
> these
> > > cards,
> > > >> >> >> could you let me
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > know? They are identifyable by the main
> > > chip, which
> > > >> >> >> is either "NCR
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > 53C985", "LSI Logic 53C895" or "Symbios
> > > 53C895".
> > > >> >> >> There are also
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > versions of this card that won't work
> > with
> > > OpenVMS,
> > > >> >> >> so please check
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > that first. If you have this card, it
> > would
> > > be very
> > > >> >> >> useful if you
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > could create an image of the PCI option
> > > ROM, or if you'd
> > > >> >> >> > >> be willing to
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > part with the card (for a while) so I
> can
> > > extract
> > > >> >> the image.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > Thanks,
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > Camiel.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > P.S. Apologies to those who receive
> > this e-mail
> > > >> >> >> twice, but I found
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > this important enough to send to both
> the
> > > >> >> developers and the
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > > announcements list.
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
> > > >> >> >> > >> > >> >
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