EpiDoc: Epigraphic Documents in TEI XML / Request Features / #79 Clarify and complete guidance on line placement/formatting

BODARD Gabriel - 2014-10-16

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BODARD Gabriel - 2014-10-16

I think there are two parts to this question:

(1) improve the guidelines (perhaps http://www.stoa.org/epidoc/gl/latest/trans-linebreak.html or http://www.stoa.org/epidoc/gl/latest/trans-linebreakdirection.html ?) to give suggestions for formatting of lines.

(2) really come to grips with the question of documenting practice on spacing, lineation, and other issues of text that are handling differently in, e.g. Latin monumental texts and stoichedon Greek inscriptions. John raised this in 2003, but we never came to a conclusion. <encodingDesc> may be involved (shudder). I'll open a separate ticket for this...

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BODARD Gabriel - 2014-10-16

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Tom Elliott - 2014-11-07

This is an issue for papyrology as well. The literary papyrology project wants to be able to encode such features, which they know under terms like "eisthesis".

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Tom Elliott - 2014-11-20

status: unread --> accepted

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Tom Elliott - 2014-11-20

labels: --> dclp, guidelines and xslts
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Tom Elliott - 2014-11-21

@gabrielbodard do your recall if the 2003 discussion took place on Markup?

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- BODARD Gabriel - 2014-11-24
  
  No, I think it was in the London sprint. We talked about it at some length, but I don't recall any conclusions or recommendations.
  
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-It would be very helpful, particularly with long/official documents, to be able to mark a line as being outset. In some cases this mean that the whole line starts (as it were) in the margin; in others what is located there is a number. But thre would be no need to indicate this.
+Ancient texts exhibit a variety formatting/placement choices for individual lines, marking them off visually from the majority of a text for a variety of reasons. These include:
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+* indentation (termed "eisthesis" by papyrologists)
+* "outdenting" (termed "ekthesis" by papyrologists, a.k.a. "outset lines")
+* centering of line(s)
+* perhaps others?
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+Can we update the Guidelines to reflect these uses cases (where)? Can we extend the XSLTs to support standard renderings for same (are there standard renderings in editio)? Should we add standard values for the "rend" attribute to the schema as suggestions?

Tom Elliott - 2014-11-21

CMR's original text that kicked off this ticket:

It would be very helpful, particularly with long/official documents, to be able to mark a line as being outset. In some cases this mean that the whole line starts (as it were) in the margin; in others what is located there is a number. But thre would be no need to indicate this.

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Tom Elliott - 2015-04-30

Group: Next_Release_(example) --> 8.20
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Tom Elliott - 2015-05-08

Too complex to complete research and coordination in time for 8.21. Moving to "future".

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Tom Elliott - 2015-05-08

Group: 8.21 --> future
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BODARD Gabriel - 2016-07-19

We decided today that this needs to be folded into the old question of different handling of vacat/space around lines in Greek/Latin etc. (Raised by John Bodel back in 2002, iirc.)

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BODARD Gabriel - 2016-09-20

Group: future --> 8.23
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Tom Elliott - 2017-03-06

Group: 8.23 --> future
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BODARD Gabriel - 2017-03-21

Group: future --> 8.24
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Tom Elliott - 2017-03-23

In papyrology, see now: ekthesis and eisthesis.

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Tom Elliott - 2017-03-23

The current thinking on markup for this in DCLP (see ticket links above) is:

<lb rend="indent"> and <lb rend="outdent">

following a model found used on <l> and <lg> in some examples in the TEI Guidelines.

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BODARD Gabriel - 2017-10-17

Group: 8.24 --> 9.0
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BODARD Gabriel - 2018-02-20

Group: 9.0 --> future
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Scott DiGiulio - 2018-02-20

Per EDAG discussion on Feb. 20 about the question of indenting, we generally agreed that the challenge of using <lb> for indent is the limitations on attributes (can't mark extent, e.g.), and <space> would be better to use for here. See related discussion at FR108.

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Tom Elliott - 2018-02-28

DCLP went ahead and implemented a solution using rend on lb; however, I concur with the view expressed above that EpiDoc should recommend the more flexible solution involving space.

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Tom Elliott - 2018-02-28

So, implementation should probably involve the following:

Create new guidelines page, parallel to the "vacat" pages, titled "indentation" vel sim. and lay out examples and discussion there.

Add corresponding support to the example stylesheets, to include "legacy" handling of lb rend (via a Leiden style for DCLP).

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BODARD Gabriel - 2019-01-22

Group: future --> 9.1
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