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Re: [Envolution-devel] What was not good?
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-08-05 23:05:03
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We will find our way, hopefully all together! Some may not be here, but fabulous active, so what? Live is going on! Christoph aka gatoNero Staff eNvo.de Am Mit, 2003-08-06 um 00.57 schrieb Stefan K=F6hler: > Scott, > [...] > > This is a decision I did not make lightly. I consider Max to be like a > > brother to me. Yes I expected to have disagreements with Max but what h= e > > did to break our agreement IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOES > > AGAINST EVERYTHING WE FOUNDED ENVOLUTION ON. > [...] > Good was, what we have done last months with this that was NOT GOOD FOR T= HE > COMMUNITY in your eyes. > What rules had Max broken. It is not clear and you don't explained it. >=20 > Remember: eNvolution was on the way to become the most fabulous CMS. >=20 > But it is over now. Why you destroy this project only because you are not > able to see what is right and left. >=20 > I'm very angry about what happened. Nobody want it. Nobody need it. > Now you have to start nearly by zero. This was not necessary. >=20 > Sorry, > Stefan aka WindMeUp >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Kindley" <sc...@ki...> > To: "Evolution-Dev-List" <env...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:32 AM > Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] eNvolution.it resigns as eNvo > officialsupport >=20 >=20 > > On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 14:39, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote: > > > On 05 Aug 2003 11:12:12 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote > > > > [...] > > > > Max resigned from Envolution...Max also resigned envolution.it from > > > > official Envolution support. So Max is NOT any longer associated wi= th > > > > Envolution. This was his choice and his decision. So no it is not > > > > relevant to Envolution code and development other than his > > > > information of resignation which was posted. > > > > > > > > Now move on. > > > > > > > > Zoom [...] > > > > > > I don't agree anymore with you on this statement Zoom. If you read my > email > > > Suggestions, you will know that. > > > > > > TiMax is an envolution founder same with you, so he is also has the > right as > > > founder same with the other founders. If he choose not involve in > > > development, it doesn't mean that he is not a founder. So you don't h= ave > any > > > right to remove him from any membership in envolution. > > > > > > > I understood that my decison to unsubscribe Max form the email list and > > to deletre his account on envoution.com would be controversial. However > > there ARE some things you do not know, that I havn't made public yet, > > that break the agreement Max had with me and the other founders. Yes Ma= x > > wears the title of a co-founding member of Envolution and he will alway= s > > be a co-founding member. However when he broke that agreement between m= e > > and the other founders he looses his claims to controlling the directio= n > > Envolution goes. > > > > This is a decision I did not make lightly. I consider Max to be like a > > brother to me. Yes I expected to have disagreements with Max but what h= e > > did to break our agreement IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOES > > AGAINST EVERYTHING WE FOUNDED ENVOLUTION ON. > > > > I believe you also know a little something about what Max did, I just > > don't believe you realize that it was part of an agreement the founders > > had with each other. > > > > > I don't have any personal problem with you Zoom, and also you know th= at > I'm > > > supporting Eric Barr as new PM. > > > > > > > Good. I have no issues with you either. I have even recommeded you to > > people several times for themes and such. > > > > > But both of you seems never want to consider that both of you made a > mis- > > > leadership while take over the envo. We are all not perfect human, we > are > > > all can made a mistake. But the point here, you have to show to the > > > community that you consider all the community complaint, want to hear > the > > > community, respect to their opinion and want to find a solution not a > war. > > > > > > > I have considered every thing that was sent my way. I have explained my > > intentions and my actions until I'm blue in the face. I've asked > > repeatedly for calm and to stop the flames...but people still continue > > to post very objectionable comments and complaign about things that are > > not even true. > > > > So when no one is litening I stop talking. > > > > > As a friend I just want to tell you that you have temper while arguin= g > and > > > always create a flame war, even what your're saying was right. > > > > > > > Yes I have a temper. Everyone does. But mine is no more than anyone > > elses. I have a reputation as being a hothead because I stand my ground > > when I know I am right. That may be a fault and it may not be..thats a > > judgement that each person makes for themsleves. I do not care if I am > > popular...I am not here for a poularity contest. I am here for the sole > > function of maintaining a pleasant and open development atmosphere. Whe= n > > certain individuals come into the community and try desperatley to > > tarnish Eric Barr's name by characterizing him as Hitler and Nazi I wil= l > > get angry and I will take action based on the Terms of Use. The same > > Terms of Use that have been in effect since the very beginning. I Eric > > were a member of the Nazi party then I wouldn't have any position to > > take action...however he IS NOT...and NEV ER HAS BEEN. So characterizin= g > > him as a mass murderer and as one of the most evil human beings who eve= r > > walked the face of the earth is unacceptable, unforgivabel, and will no= t > > be tolerate on Envolution Project Resources. That is not, and never wil= l > > be negotiable as there is no justification for it in any language or an= y > > culture. > > > > > > > Now it seems you are also not respect Eric as a PM, since you take ov= er > all > > > arguing, here in this list or envo site. > > > > > > > You are wrong. > > > > > As a founder, if you had asked Eric as a PM, so you should step back, > and > > > let him manage the community! > > > > > > > Man it takes nerve to say I am not letting him! It is me trying to > > provide the chance for him to do it. You should stop transferring the > > blame to me for Erics inability to start perfoming his position and > > instead direct that statement toward the real people causing the > > problem. > > > > > Now you banned also Umberto from this list, which has nothing persona= l > > > attack to you. Why? Because he is Italian? So you start racism here Z= oom > in > > > this community. If there is one Italian say a bad word to Eric, then > Eric > > > should answer him not you. Also one Italian are not the same with oth= ers > > > Italian community. Banned and disconnected with existing Italian envo > > > community, is a failure! > > > > > > > I only banned 2 people so far. I have no idea about any Umberto. > > > > > Please read again my email Suggestions to this list, I'm waiting resp= ond > for > > > my suggestions. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > sjah > > > > > > > I'l be online in about an hour. We can chat then if your still > > interested. > > > > Zoom > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > > > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > > _______________________________________________ > > Envolution-devel mailing list > > Env...@li... > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel >=20 >=20 >=20 > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/= 01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
