[Envolution-devel] What was not good?

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Scott,
[...]
> This is a decision I did not make lightly. I consider Max to be like a
> brother to me. Yes I expected to have disagreements with Max but what he
> did to break our agreement IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOES
> AGAINST EVERYTHING WE FOUNDED ENVOLUTION ON.
[...]
Good was, what we have done last months with this that was NOT GOOD FOR THE
COMMUNITY in your eyes.
What rules had Max broken. It is not clear and you don't explained it.

Remember: eNvolution was on the way to become the most fabulous CMS.

But it is over now. Why you destroy this project only because you are not
able to see what is right and left.

I'm very angry about what happened. Nobody want it. Nobody need it.
Now you have to start nearly by zero. This was not necessary.

Sorry,
Stefan aka WindMeUp


----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Kindley" <sc...@ki...>
To: "Evolution-Dev-List" <env...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] eNvolution.it resigns as eNvo
officialsupport


> On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 14:39, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote:
> > On 05 Aug 2003 11:12:12 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote
> > > [...]
> > > Max resigned from Envolution...Max also resigned envolution.it from
> > > official Envolution support. So Max is NOT any longer associated with
> > > Envolution. This was his choice and his decision. So no it is not
> > > relevant to Envolution code and development other than his
> > > information of resignation which was posted.
> > >
> > > Now move on.
> > >
> > > Zoom [...]
> >
> > I don't agree anymore with you on this statement Zoom. If you read my
email
> > Suggestions, you will know that.
> >
> > TiMax is an envolution founder same with you, so he is also has the
right as
> > founder same with the other founders. If he choose not involve in
> > development, it doesn't mean that he is not a founder. So you don't have
any
> > right to remove him from any membership in envolution.
> >
>
> I understood that my decison to unsubscribe Max form the email list and
> to deletre his account on envoution.com would be controversial. However
> there ARE some things you do not know, that I havn't made public yet,
> that break the agreement Max had with me and the other founders. Yes Max
> wears the title of a co-founding member of Envolution and he will always
> be a co-founding member. However when he broke that agreement between me
> and the other founders he looses his claims to controlling the direction
> Envolution goes.
>
> This is a decision I did not make lightly. I consider Max to be like a
> brother to me. Yes I expected to have disagreements with Max but what he
> did to break our agreement IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOES
> AGAINST EVERYTHING WE FOUNDED ENVOLUTION ON.
>
> I believe you also know a little something about what Max did, I just
> don't believe you realize that it was part of an agreement the founders
> had with each other.
>
> > I don't have any personal problem with you Zoom, and also you know that
I'm
> > supporting Eric Barr as new PM.
> >
>
> Good. I have no issues with you either. I have even recommeded you to
> people several times for themes and such.
>
> > But both of you seems never want to consider that both of you made a
mis-
> > leadership while take over the envo. We are all not perfect human, we
are
> > all can made a mistake. But the point here, you have to show to the
> > community that you consider all the community complaint, want to hear
the
> > community, respect to their opinion and want to find a solution not a
war.
> >
>
> I have considered every thing that was sent my way. I have explained my
> intentions and my actions until I'm blue in the face. I've asked
> repeatedly for calm and to stop the flames...but people still continue
> to post very objectionable comments and complaign about things that are
> not even true.
>
> So when no one is litening I stop talking.
>
> > As a friend I just want to tell you that you have temper while arguing
and
> > always create a flame war, even what your're saying was right.
> >
>
> Yes I have a temper. Everyone does. But mine is no more than anyone
> elses. I have a reputation as being a hothead because I stand my ground
> when I know I am right. That may be a fault and it may not be..thats a
> judgement that each person makes for themsleves. I do not care if I am
> popular...I am not here for a poularity contest. I am here for the sole
> function of maintaining a pleasant and open development atmosphere. When
> certain individuals come into the community and try desperatley to
> tarnish Eric Barr's name by characterizing him as Hitler and Nazi I will
> get angry and I will take action based on the Terms of Use. The same
> Terms of Use that have been in effect since the very beginning. I Eric
> were a member of the Nazi party then I wouldn't have any position to
> take action...however he IS NOT...and NEV ER HAS BEEN. So characterizing
> him as a mass murderer and as one of the most evil human beings who ever
> walked the face of the earth is unacceptable, unforgivabel, and will not
> be tolerate on Envolution Project Resources. That is not, and never will
> be negotiable as there is no justification for it in any language or any
> culture.
>
>
> > Now it seems you are also not respect Eric as a PM, since you take over
all
> > arguing, here in this list or envo site.
> >
>
> You are wrong.
>
> > As a founder, if you had asked Eric as a PM, so you should step back,
and
> > let him manage the community!
> >
>
> Man it takes nerve to say I am not letting him! It is me trying to
> provide the chance for him to do it. You should stop transferring the
> blame to me for Erics inability to start perfoming his position and
> instead direct that statement toward the real people causing the
> problem.
>
> > Now you banned also Umberto from this list, which has nothing personal
> > attack to you. Why? Because he is Italian? So you start racism here Zoom
in
> > this community. If there is one Italian say a bad word to Eric, then
Eric
> > should answer him not you. Also one Italian are not the same with others
> > Italian community. Banned and disconnected with existing Italian envo
> > community, is a failure!
> >
>
> I only banned 2 people so far. I have no idea about any Umberto.
>
> > Please read again my email Suggestions to this list, I'm waiting respond
for
> > my suggestions.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > sjah
> >
>
> I'l be online in about an hour. We can chat then if your still
> interested.
>
> Zoom
>
>
>
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