Re: [Envolution-devel] eNvolution.it resigns as eNvo official support

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 14:39, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2003 11:12:12 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote
> > [...]
> > Max resigned from Envolution...Max also resigned envolution.it from
> > official Envolution support. So Max is NOT any longer associated with
> > Envolution. This was his choice and his decision. So no it is not
> > relevant to Envolution code and development other than his 
> > information of resignation which was posted.
> > 
> > Now move on.
> > 
> > Zoom [...]
> 
> I don't agree anymore with you on this statement Zoom. If you read my email 
> Suggestions, you will know that.
> 
> TiMax is an envolution founder same with you, so he is also has the right as 
> founder same with the other founders. If he choose not involve in 
> development, it doesn't mean that he is not a founder. So you don't have any 
> right to remove him from any membership in envolution.
> 

I understood that my decison to unsubscribe Max form the email list and
to deletre his account on envoution.com would be controversial. However
there ARE some things you do not know, that I havn't made public yet,
that break the agreement Max had with me and the other founders. Yes Max
wears the title of a co-founding member of Envolution and he will always
be a co-founding member. However when he broke that agreement between me
and the other founders he looses his claims to controlling the direction
Envolution goes. 

This is a decision I did not make lightly. I consider Max to be like a
brother to me. Yes I expected to have disagreements with Max but what he
did to break our agreement IS NOT GOOD FOR THE COMMUNITY AND GOES
AGAINST EVERYTHING WE FOUNDED ENVOLUTION ON.

I believe you also know a little something about what Max did, I just
don't believe you realize that it was part of an agreement the founders
had with each other.

> I don't have any personal problem with you Zoom, and also you know that I'm 
> supporting Eric Barr as new PM. 
> 

Good. I have no issues with you either. I have even recommeded you to
people several times for themes and such.

> But both of you seems never want to consider that both of you made a mis-
> leadership while take over the envo. We are all not perfect human, we are 
> all can made a mistake. But the point here, you have to show to the 
> community that you consider all the community complaint, want to hear the 
> community, respect to their opinion and want to find a solution not a war.
> 

I have considered every thing that was sent my way. I have explained my
intentions and my actions until I'm blue in the face. I've asked
repeatedly for calm and to stop the flames...but people still continue
to post very objectionable comments and complaign about things that are
not even true.

So when no one is litening I stop talking.

> As a friend I just want to tell you that you have temper while arguing and 
> always create a flame war, even what your're saying was right.
> 

Yes I have a temper. Everyone does. But mine is no more than anyone
elses. I have a reputation as being a hothead because I stand my ground
when I know I am right. That may be a fault and it may not be..thats a
judgement that each person makes for themsleves. I do not care if I am
popular...I am not here for a poularity contest. I am here for the sole
function of maintaining a pleasant and open development atmosphere. When
certain individuals come into the community and try desperatley to
tarnish Eric Barr's name by characterizing him as Hitler and Nazi I will
get angry and I will take action based on the Terms of Use. The same
Terms of Use that have been in effect since the very beginning. I Eric
were a member of the Nazi party then I wouldn't have any position to
take action...however he IS NOT...and NEV ER HAS BEEN. So characterizing
him as a mass murderer and as one of the most evil human beings who ever
walked the face of the earth is unacceptable, unforgivabel, and will not
be tolerate on Envolution Project Resources. That is not, and never will
be negotiable as there is no justification for it in any language or any
culture.


> Now it seems you are also not respect Eric as a PM, since you take over all 
> arguing, here in this list or envo site.
> 

You are wrong.

> As a founder, if you had asked Eric as a PM, so you should step back, and 
> let him manage the community!
> 

Man it takes nerve to say I am not letting him! It is me trying to
provide the chance for him to do it. You should stop transferring the
blame to me for Erics inability to start perfoming his position and
instead direct that statement toward the real people causing the
problem.

> Now you banned also Umberto from this list, which has nothing personal 
> attack to you. Why? Because he is Italian? So you start racism here Zoom in 
> this community. If there is one Italian say a bad word to Eric, then Eric 
> should answer him not you. Also one Italian are not the same with others 
> Italian community. Banned and disconnected with existing Italian envo 
> community, is a failure!
> 

I only banned 2 people so far. I have no idea about any Umberto.

> Please read again my email Suggestions to this list, I'm waiting respond for 
> my suggestions.
> 
> Best regards,
> sjah
> 

I'l be online in about an hour. We can chat then if your still
interested.

Zoom