Re: [Envolution-devel] eNvolution.it resigns as eNvo official support

[Eric B. <apa...@xe...>]

On Tue, 5 Aug 2003 14:39:08 -0500, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote:
> On 05 Aug 2003 11:12:12 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote
>> [...]
>> Max resigned from Envolution...Max also resigned envolution.it
>> from official Envolution support. So Max is NOT any longer
>> associated with Envolution. This was his choice and his decision.
>> So no it is not relevant to Envolution code and development other
>> than his information of resignation which was posted.
>>
>> Now move on.
>>
>>
>> Zoom [...]
>>
>
> I don't agree anymore with you on this statement Zoom. If you read
> my email Suggestions, you will know that.
>
> TiMax is an envolution founder same with you, so he is also has the
> right as founder same with the other founders. If he choose not
> involve in development, it doesn't mean that he is not a founder.
> So you don't have any right to remove him from any membership in
> envolution.
>
> I don't have any personal problem with you Zoom, and also you know
> that I'm supporting Eric Barr as new PM.
>
> But both of you seems never want to consider that both of you made
> a mis- leadership while take over the envo. We are all not perfect
> human, we are all can made a mistake. But the point here, you have
> to show to the community that you consider all the community
> complaint, want to hear the community, respect to their opinion and
> want to find a solution not a war.
>
> As a friend I just want to tell you that you have temper while
> arguing and always create a flame war, even what your're saying was
> right.
>
> Now it seems you are also not respect Eric as a PM, since you take
> over all arguing, here in this list or envo site.
>
> As a founder, if you had asked Eric as a PM, so you should step
> back, and let him manage the community!
>
> Now you banned also Umberto from this list, which has nothing
> personal attack to you. Why? Because he is Italian? So you start
> racism here Zoom in this community. If there is one Italian say a
> bad word to Eric, then Eric should answer him not you. Also one
> Italian are not the same with others Italian community. Banned and
> disconnected with existing Italian envo community, is a failure!
>
> Please read again my email Suggestions to this list, I'm waiting
> respond for my suggestions.
>
> Best regards,
> sjah
>
>
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Sjah,
I have admitted before that I have made mistakes and have been trying to=
 clear 
these up, but I will do so again and hopefully this time people will know=
 that I 
mean it. People do make mistakes and I have tried to admit and take care of=
 them 
were possible. For example I also asked people with any questions comments=
 or 
concerns to please come forward and talk to me directly about them so that I=
 
could listen to their ideas and help to explain myself better. Some people=
 have 
done this and it has been appreciated. Most, however, have chosen to flame=
 these 
ml and several Envolution community websites before ever even talking to me.=
 At 
this point I'm not even sure how to approach these people to talk or make 
amends. That offer has certainly been on the table and is still on the table=
 for 
anyone to take advantage of, and I encourage them to use it. My email=
 address is 
eri...@en... so please email me if you have any problems so that=
 we 
can talk this out. If anyone has a better suggestion on how to go about this=
 
please email me as I really do wish to fix these things.

As far as the role Zoom is playing in envolution.com right now, he is trying=
 to 
support me in the best way he knows how. He may be a little rough around the=
 
edges but he loves this project and only wants the best for it. When it=
 comes 
down to it I'm glad that Zoom is here and helping me. The goal we are going=
 for 
right now is just to end the flaming. Once people stop flaming I would like=
 to 
begin open discussions in the community forums about everyone's ideas for=
 the 
project and find out what the people in the community want, but the flames=
 must 
stop! *this is not directed at any individual, just a general statement*

There is a new forum open in the community forums called Peace Room 
http://www.envolution.com/index.php?name=3DPNphpBB2&file=3Dindex&c=3D9. Anybody=
 that 
wishes to come there and talk openly about their ideas, concerns may do so.=
 
Anything will go in this room, it is a place for everybody to share their 
thoughts as openly as they want and I will be there to listen and learn. I=
 just 
ask that all of the flame stops here on the mailing list as well as on the 
website. I feel really bad for those people who did not want any part in the=
 
flaming and I am sad to see them go. I hope that maybe one day after all of=
 this 
is settled that they can come back and enjoy the open community atmosphere=
 they 
once had.

Thank you for your time,
 
Eric Barr
Project Manager :: E n v o l u t i o n