[Envolution-devel] Suggestions

[Sjahrazad A. <sja...@ba...>]

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003 03:25:51 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote
> [...]
> (remember I told you that this should not be part of a public=20
> mailing list or as a comment of an article - I think that was fair),=20
> I got no answers or infos. The only result of this mailing was, that=20
> you delete me from LeadDeveloper List and I'm normal member now.=20
> That is your right. Nothing to say. But it would be nice if you can=20
> inform me about this step, isn't it? [...]

Hi Zoom, Saytheb, TiMax, MadHatter,

As I said in our meeting, to avoid the same situation in the future ,all=20
procedures, rules should be stated clearly. Founders have a freedom to=20
create their own rules as long as all staff /communities know it from the=
=20
beginning.

I quote here the statement created by MADHATter7, TiMax, saytheb, and Zoo=
m=20
on August 3, 2002: http://www.envolution.com/index.php?
module=3Dsubjects&func=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D24 and also read the next page=
 25:

>> quote >>
The primary duty of the Founders will be to act as a governing board of=20
directors and implement policy. All positions within the organization are=
=20
ultimately responsible to the Founders. Other than governing the project =
the=20
Founders will activly participate in every facet of the project including=
=20
the community. Recruiting developers, spreading the word about the=20
community, and facilitating growth through partnerships with other entiti=
es.=20
Bridging cultural and language barriers is also a primary function of the=
=20
Founders.
<< quote <<

As long as cyber-friendship between founders run well, there will be no=20
problem with the above quote. But..

Now the problem is who are exactly founders? TiMax even he resigned from=20
envo, he still a founder too and still has a voice, except it stated in t=
he=20
above section or other sections. But it wasn't. If one of the founders ma=
de=20
a statement, it doesn't mean can be seen as founders statement. Founders=20
statement is accepted, if all founders agreed on that statement.

Unfortunately, not like in the company owner can sell his capital and not=
=20
become owner anymore, here since all of you use the word founder then you=
=20
can not sell your 'found' even until you getting old:)=20

Ok today, Zoom and saytheb is in the same opinion. How if one day you als=
o=20
split again? How if Zoom start another deving again? I mean ZoomDev :) An=
d=20
who is the founders then?

How to solve this dispute without creating fighting among the community? =
I=20
have suggestions here to consider, and hope all of you want to step back =
a=20
while :):

1. Founders make a meeting in envo forum, just only between founders.

2. In that meeting all of you can debate, cyber fighting :) as much as yo=
u=20
wish. I think the community / staff/ coders will don't care who win or=20
loose :). The community only need a clear statement from the founders res=
ult.

3. Then post the result in envo.com, whatever the content is the communit=
y=20
will decide if they still be here or not. This is a freedom of choice.=20
Founders should solve their own problems, don't bring it to the community=
.=20
Founders here not Zoom or TiMax, all founders should give their name in t=
hat=20
statement.=20

4. Now what about the ApathyBoy? I think since all of founders agreed he=20
become a PM, so in my opinion there is no reason for the community to=20
against him. So we as the community should support him as PM. If there ar=
e=20
some members don't like the PM it is also can be accepted, so you become =
a=20
member who don't like PM :) Again this is a freedom of choice.

5. There two problems here, just separate it. The first is problem betwee=
n=20
founders, and solve it between founders. Second is about the existing sta=
ff.=20
In company existing staff is a valuable asset. Here since all of them spe=
nt=20
their time for free, for public benefit, the new PM should re-think about=
=20
this again, this is his homework.=20

In this point I can see why FB PHP-Nuke, choose to become single fighter:=
)=20
he don't has this problem. And why TiMax open the MaxDev, it is also=20
reasonable, it is good for him, since why should he spent his time only f=
or=20
unproductive flaming war.

In my personal opinion, this is not a big problem at all. It is only disp=
ute=20
between cyber-friends in a small group call founders. It become problem=20
since the founders bring their disputes to developer list and envo.com

Me personally, also don't have problem with what label given to me, membe=
r,=20
staff or support manager for me is the same. In real life I have a label=20
president director, and it is not also make me proud at all, it is normal=
=20
I'm a businessman. But here I have a respect to all of you who spent your=
=20
valuable time for public. Based on that respect I want to contribute as l=
ong=20
as I have my spare time, even without label, as long as I can take benefi=
t=20
from the opensource products.

Finally, please stop all flaming war between founders here in devel list,=
=20
let the new PM start his planning in this list. You can open your founder=
s=20
list to arguing between founders :)

have a nice day
Best regards,
sjah