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Re: [Envolution-devel] the future of eNvolution?
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From: Eric B. <apa...@xe...> - 2003-08-03 02:54:51
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Stefan, First thing I would like to discuss, nobody has removed you from the position of Lead Developer, that position is still yours to hold if you want it. Also, when TiMax took over as project manager there was a period of time for reorganization and restructuring wasn't there? So why is it a bad thing for there to be reorganization and restructuring this time? That does not seem fair. When new management comes into being there is always a time for reorganization and restructuring, and no changes at all have been made to the project yet, only new ideas presented. Changes will only come after discussion and agreement with the entire community. Now, I would like to address a few specific things in your email. "This seems to be over. You want to take eNvolution. But not with the staff members who entered eNvolution at TiMax era. You want to place new members on official functions." This is no longer the "TiMax" era, but it is also not the beginning of the "ApathyBoy" era either. The problem here is that this project is not about any one person, but about the entire community. No staff members have been replaced (other than TiMax) and everybody who held a position before I took over as Project Manager is invited to keep those positions. As far as your being removed from the Lead Developer list, I'm not sure exactly what you meant by this but I do know that we have turned off admin access on a lot of things only until we have found out who is staying and who is leaving. Once that has been cleared up all admin privledges will be turned back on for those who hold positions. This is only temporary and I hope that we get this cleared up during this week :) Also, I understand that you could not attend the meeting today and I hope that you were able to enjoy the day with your family :) We are working on some ideas for new ways to hold these meetings on the forums. This way the meetings can last for several days if needed so that more people can stop by to share their thoughts. If you have any suggestions to help us out here that would be great! I would also like to take a minute to talk about the "roadmap" situation with you as I know it has been the center of a lot of anger lately. I must agree that it was not the best idea to put my ideas in my introduction news, but these ideas where meant only for concideration before the developer meeting. I had the chance to talk with several people on the team today including Sjah who had written a very good article several days ago. We all decided that Envolution needs a roadmap, and that the current one is probably not the best one. *By current roadmap I mean the original roadmap, I have looked for a roadmap from the last 6 months but I haven't found one.* His idea was to create two documents, one would be the community vision that addresses the non technical(non coding) aspects and needs, the other would be a technical roadmap to achieve that vision. We will be asking the community for their input and to tell us what they need from our system, and then the developers will gather to discuss how these goals will be met. Before we can do any of that though we must get our Staff organized and all of the communities on the same page. I will be attempting to contact all the members of the current staff, but for those of you I do not contact please get ahold of me because I do not mean to forget anybody. I hope this clears some things up with you, if not please feel free to talk to me directly as I wish to work things out. Thanks, Eric Barr (a.k.a. ApathyBoy) Project Manager - Envolution PS. I also wish for all flame wars and anger to end here. If anybody has comments or concerns or does not understand something that might have happened or doesn't agree with something I said please just ask me about it. We will work through and discuss all matters openly. Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stefan Köhler" <s.k...@pr...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 8:25 PM Subject: [Envolution-devel] the future of eNvolution? @Zoom: Now public on dev-list, because you don't answer my last email. Tell me please, where TiMax' article contains "factual inaccuracies and fasle statements." What he said is the truth. A bit history: TiMax ask in the dev-list if someone can be Lead Developer, no answer. Some days later he ask again. Then I explained that I will do the job. After that TiMax informed the staff and the comunity about my new function. So I'm Lead Developer of eNvolution. And all agreed. Same with SupportManager and DocManager positions. And at this time there came no veto from. I think I don't need to talk about the roadmap again. Because our development which we starts had nothing to do with the old roadmap. We create things and modified parts of the code to make eNvo safer, faster and more professional, with some new features and functions. And that all, because the community ask for. This was (if you take a look on the roadmap) not the right way. But if this all happens - no veto from you, again. So for me, all founders accept our work and we do the right things. This seems to be over. You want to take eNvolution. But not with the staff members who entered eNvolution at TiMax era. You want to place new members on official functions. And you ask only one time for Project Manager. And then after 2 hours apathyboy was the new project manager. Nice, very nice. All following steps (transfering data, downtime, basic installation,etc.), the article and all bad other things that happend the last days, you managed alone without the staff members. This was not professional. Sorry. I told you more then 3 times, that I can help you with all the problems you rolled in. All you say was "Yes I need much help" but without saying where and what. As I can see now on eNvolution.com I am gradated. But I don't know. Why? What are the results of chat meeting today? I don't know. Why? And you know why I can't visit meeting today. I told it to all as comment. And Zoom, after our private mails where we discuss something internally (remember I told you that this should not be part of a public mailing list or as a comment of an article - I think that was fair), I got no answers or infos. The only result of this mailing was, that you delete me from LeadDeveloper List and I'm normal member now. That is your right. Nothing to say. But it would be nice if you can inform me about this step, isn't it? And then this mail on this list of AK (who is it?) who talk about the roadmap and we have no rights to change that. That's enough. One of our rule was to inform the community about new things are planned or new staff members are entered (note: Welcome new member as a "profile"). And AK seems to be a new staff member. You break our rules not we. And this rules were born since our reorganisation and restructure phase. But you don't ask us what is new and what you have to consider. Ok. If I'm no longer Lead Developer then there is no needing for you to tell me details. I don't want to know it. I'm normal member of eNvo.com And I would be only Webadmin of envolution.de Nothing else. Ok. Can you tell me please, as it continues now? Stefan aka WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Kindley" <sc...@ki...> To: "Evolution-Dev-List" <env...@li...> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] Leaving eNvolution > On Sat, 2003-08-02 at 17:06, TiMax wrote: > > Sorry wrong thread > > I submited this news in envolution.com, please to add it in home page, thanks > > > > TiMax > > > > -------------------------- > > > > This short news is just to comunicate that I decided to go out from the active developement of eNvolution and definitively from the eNvolution project. > > I'm sorry to see that this eNvolution is not the one on with me and all the staff were working on... our vision discussed and approved is now cancelled... there wasn't respect of me, the staff and the all management... nobody has considered our Lead Developer, Doc Manager, and Support Manager... nobody asked all the staff members on what they were working on, which goals they reached, what they thinked etc. etc. more than this all non English people, mainly Italian, French and German were immediately declassed. > > > > I'm sorry at this point eNvolution is not more the one on which I hardly worked. > > > > I prefer to keep on my ideas and vision in my MaxDev project, working to expand and improve eNvolution, PostNuke, Oscommerce and many other softwares, to promote the Open Source even with commercial purposes, helped on this by all the international Staff members in full agreement and with real passion. > > > > I thank everybody sustained me with comments, mail, messages, etc. > > > > Regarding the eNvolution.it nothing is changed it will remain the Italian support site with all the community growth around it. > > > > TiMax > > MaxDev Staff > > www.maxdev.com > > > > I knew you were going to pull this Max. > > I am not going to publish this article when it contains factual > inaccuracies and fasle statements. > > You were notified well in advance of a meeting and YOU chose not to > attend. So don't give me the crap about your vision being cancelled, > changed or whatever. Envolution is larger than you and you didn't > respect Envoolution enough to grace us with your presence. > > Resubmit news that is factual and Ill publish it...other than that have > a great day! > > Zoom > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. 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