Re: [Envolution-devel] Ap please re-think a litle

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 16:50, TiMax wrote:
> >   > We already start to have two branch of development of eNvolution
> >
> >   Are you saying you've split development?
> 
> Yes we have split development. like stefan have writed in mailing list we have split and start with envo 1.3 in new 
> branch with new directory structure and envo125FLS be our stable release.
> 

Well we wish you luck with your new fork Max.


> and what you mean with 
> " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed ... " 

It means we were sad to see you resign and will miss you. It was a huge
complement ApathyBoy gave you.

> 
> and 
> 
> " The current plans for the Envolution project are to take the current code base, (1.2.5 FLS), and put it back on track 
> with the original Vision and Roadmap "

It means to take the current code base and clean out all the pnHTML crap
that should have been removed a long long time ago. Thats all. It means
we plan to improve it.

> 
> and 
> " The choice was made after careful consideration to start with a clean install "
> 

I've already explained this several times to you in private and in
public. The clean install was because we didn't think we would be able
to merge the sql dumps into the new server. Once again I will repeat
that this was overcome and is a non-issue now.


> How you can put these news wihout have talk with others developers ??
> 

Development is open totally Max....but the server migration, domain,
transfers, and DNS issues are not related to develoment. They are
logistical issue that do not need to be run by every tom, dick, or harry
in the community.

You didn't consult with community members about putting up slow java
applets did you? No you didn't. You didn't consult the community when
adding "fill in the blank here".

Fact is Max administering the DNS and servers is not in the area of
relevance to developers of the software. Period.

> Don't misunderstood me, i know that Apathboy is a good boy and good developer, and i m sure he can make a good job, but 
> i mean that he must talk and hear all developers and staff, and only after he can take his and last decision, because 
> sure he is PM so last decision is her, but .... again .... only after talked and hear all ....
> 

Good. Now back off and let him do his job. Constant criticism is what
you said one of the reasons you quit. Now your dishing out the same
thing you didn't want yourself.


> But do you want eNvolution to continue work and development or do you want eNvolution only for his name ??
> 

I will make sure Envolution is everything you, brandon, brian, and I
started. Nothing changed.

> I know Zoom you make very good job and with passion, also if you use linux but stop please to say that i give you only 7 
> days, i already tell you  take your time all data still in my server and i don't have problem 
> 

You said you wanted it handled quickly. After I tried to ralk you out of
it over three of those days you insisted you we quitting. So I took you
at your word and did exaclty as you asked and now your bitching to me
about it? Thats really unfair.

> Last time we work around this transfer, i send you all data in different format, i help you to add all domains in your 
> control panel, i give you all access in all administration sourgeforce, site, mailing list, ftp, database,  bla bla, but 
> i say you also that for me the best procedure to transfert all is  
> 
> 1 transfer envolution.info (now it is not used), in you server and work to put online site and test all ....
> envolution.com still in my server online.
> 
> 2 when all is ok in your server with envolution.info domain, we can update database with last data and, i can add
> redirect in envolution.com versus envoltuion.info in your server.
> 
> 3 so in same time all people tipyng www.envolution.com are redirect in www.envolution.info site in your server and we
> can transfer also www.envolution.com domain.
> 
> 4 when envolution.com domain is in your server you can manage it like you want ... .in this way you can manage maybe
> also
> 

I have no clue what your talking about here. DNS shows the domains are
propagated now so this is a non issue.

All domains point to the server envolution.com is on now except for the
one you requested I point to envolution.de.

Again I facilitated right away what you asked me to do...now your
complaining because I did it?? That soesnt make sense.

> I work with you in 27-28 july around it and we have start procedure to transfer envolution.info .org . biz  france and
> canada to make steps i talk before ....
> 
> ...... the day after i see that .. also envolution.com and envolution.net start to be transfered ....  i found new
> envolution.com site, with news with lot of changements new vision bla bla bla ........ and all is new for me like to all 
> other people.
> 
> So again, i don't have any problem with Apathboy and i m happy to help and support he, i m here but maybe he must 
> re-think a little what he write and talk with other before post important news.
> 
> Timax 
> 
> p.s. Just in this moment another people ask me why new eNvo leader are so angry with me and old development.
> 

Just this moment people ask me why TiMax is complaining after he
resigned and a new PM took over.

Zoom