From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-07-31 22:06:30
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On 31 Jul 2003 12:32:39 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: > On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 10:40, TiMax wrote: > > Hello ap, > > > > sorry but i m blasted from you > > > > I think is not nice your behavior toward me (like old PM), toward= italian community, toward our last year of work. > > > > I think you misunderstood him Max. Maybe i misunderstood and with me lot of other people, i think always that= is not nice behavior of AP toward me (like old PM), toward italian community, toward our last year of our work and= toward all international support sites and to not english people. Because of AP news lot of Italian users ask me why new leadership are so= angry with italian community, and not only italian community, or do you want i forward you some italian, french,= canadian, german emails and lot of others i received and they are also very worry about future. So i think that is not only my idea ..... is a general idea. > > I don't agree also about your idea to put news about vision and= roadmap before and only after ask to have meeting chat > > with other developers, what happen if all other developers want to= develope all in another way from your vision that you > > have publishied in site ? > > No vision or roadmap was put up. In fact It wont be put up till after > the meeting. So again I think you misunderstood him. oh yes ? and what is about >Over the course of the next several months we will begin working on the= Envolution code base in order to bring it up to >compliance with version 1.3.0 of the Envolution roadmap. This will happen= in four main phases: >- Code Base 1.2.6 >- Code Base 1.2.7 >- Code Base 1.2.8 >- Code Base 1.2.9 and bla bla bla ??? i know i m not good in english but i m able to read, and also other people,= good in english language have understand same things like me > > Maybe, i think, is better before have chat with people and after put= news in site > > > > Thats why there is a meeting saturday on IRC. That is nice, but i think meeting must be BEFORE post any news about roadmab= and future of eNvolution but is only my 2 cents > > Lot of people are lazy and tell me that, is strange because i talk= about that i leave but is normal rotation of rules in > > eNvolution and currents leaders talk about ..... " are you ready to= change ? > > Well Max there was a change. You resigned and a new person is the PM > now...so there was change. Change should be expected. You changed= things > when you took over and it should be no different to expect changes when > a new leader steps in. You should wait until meeting with him before > passing judgement. The only thing thats changes so far is the website > and DNS. Im working on restoring from the data you provded to me so > please be a little patient. Yes but nobody know this leader, that is the problem, in same thing i write= this email Tinta of Polish support site ask me what happen, he don't understan, he are worry ... but he can read a news= about future of eNvolution in english site and ask me what is and what mean this news, me also i don't know what mean= .... Who have read this news before be published ? > > , old vision is not correct, now we change > > all...." lot of user, and i talk also about professional user, don't= like it and are worry about that. > > > > Change usually woriies people because of the fear of the unknown. No= one > know s what exactly is changeing so they feel worried about it. Well > attend the meeting give your input and listen to new ideas and even old > ones and then determine if you should still be worried. I think you= will > be pleasantly surprised. Nobody talk about change .... this is not a problem, but i repeat .. order= is not right . before meeting and after news. > > Why you use irc chat ? lot of people don't like or can't use it, why= you don't use easy Spchat. > > Mainly cause Ive never heard about it. Secondly IRC is a long time > internet standard communication protocol. IRC is also a long time banned from lot of schools and company. > > And do you have think about all people unable to talk english language= ? > > No. But those same people who dont speak english wouldnt be reading= this > list either. So whats your point Max? Are you sure ?? Maybe they are unable to write but able to read english language, check how= many people are subscribed and how many people write in this mailing list Maybe i talk also from other people .... because they are unable to write in= english, (me also eheh) now i talk with Frank, italian developer and he tell me ... grrrrrr i m able to read but i m= unable to comment. But for someone people like Frank don't exist. > There is no one person who can speak every language know to every possible= member of the community. So > until someone who can and has the ability to lead a project of this= size > language will alsways be a barrier. Logs of all meetings will be posted > and someone can tranlate them. Also international communities can also > appoint one person who can speak their language and english to attend > and speak on their behalf. That maybe only maybe, can be right, but i don't see any reference to all= international support sites and so order now is meeting, publish meeting wait a little to hear answer and take decision= and put news. > > We already start to have two branch of development of eNvolution > > Are you saying you've split development? Yes we have split development. like stefan have writed in mailing list we= have split and start with envo 1.3 in new branch with new directory structure and envo125FLS be our stable release. > First off Max Im starting to get the impression you are the one > aggitating here. No one is changng any vision yet. No meeting has taken > pace yet...no changed vision or roadmap has been published. Only a > though as to returning to the oriinal roadmap of which changes can be > made and incorportaed. I think you speak before you think. i m very calm ..... But so what is news about Future of eNvolution ? for example ..... and .... if all staff don't want to be compatible with= Postnuke ? > > you want to follow Postnuke developement, have you think about= directory structure ? but have you talk about that with > > other developers ? maybe someone can have advanced developement in= another directory structure. > > > > Again since no meeting has taken place yet your statement is based on > nothing but impatient speculation Max. We will not be follwoing PN > development. There will be an empahsis placed on mainataining > compatability during the 1.x development which is something you always > wanted to have in the first place. So AGAIN SINCE NO MEETING has take ... no news must be published about= future of eNvolution ... but is only my 2 cents > > Please re-think a little .... and respect lot of work others= developers, supporters, writers, translators have maked in > > last year. > > > > TiMax > > > While you sit accusiong people of not respecting other maybe you should > do the same and give a little respect too. and what you mean with " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed ... " and " The current plans for the Envolution project are to take the current code= base, (1.2.5 FLS), and put it back on track with the original Vision and Roadmap " and " The choice was made after careful consideration to start with a clean= install " How you can put these news wihout have talk with others developers ?? Don't misunderstood me, i know that Apathboy is a good boy and good= developer, and i m sure he can make a good job, but i mean that he must talk and hear all developers and staff, and only after= he can take his and last decision, because sure he is PM so last decision is her, but .... again .... only after talked= and hear all .... Don't misunderstood more me .. and don't take it offensive or personal ... But do you want eNvolution to continue work and development or do you want= eNvolution only for his name ?? I know Zoom you make very good job and with passion, also if you use linux= but stop please to say that i give you only 7 days, i already tell you take your time all data still in my server and i= don't have problem Last time we work around this transfer, i send you all data in different= format, i help you to add all domains in your control panel, i give you all access in all administration sourgeforce,= site, mailing list, ftp, database, bla bla, but i say you also that for me the best procedure to transfert all is 1 transfer envolution.info (now it is not used), in you server and work to= put online site and test all .... envolution.com still in my server online. 2 when all is ok in your server with envolution.info domain, we can update= database with last data and, i can add redirect in envolution.com versus envoltuion.info in your server. 3 so in same time all people tipyng www.envolution.com are redirect in= www.envolution.info site in your server and we can transfer also www.envolution.com domain. 4 when envolution.com domain is in your server you can manage it like you= want ... .in this way you can manage maybe also I work with you in 27-28 july around it and we have start procedure to= transfer envolution.info .org . biz france and canada to make steps i talk before .... ...... the day after i see that .. also envolution.com and envolution.net= start to be transfered .... i found new envolution.com site, with news with lot of changements new vision bla bla= bla ........ and all is new for me like to all other people. So again, i don't have any problem with Apathboy and i m happy to help and= support he, i m here but maybe he must re-think a little what he write and talk with other before post important= news. Timax p.s. Just in this moment another people ask me why new eNvo leader are so= angry with me and old development. |