Re: [Envolution-devel] Ap please re-think a litle

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 10:40, TiMax wrote:
> Hello ap, 
> 
> sorry but i m blasted from you
> 
> I think is not nice your behavior toward me (like old PM), toward italian community, toward our last year of work.
> 

I think you misunderstood him Max.

> I don't agree also about your idea to put news about vision and roadmap before and only after ask to have meeting chat 
> with other developers, what happen if all other developers want to develope all in another way from your vision that you 
> have publishied in site ?

No vision or roadmap was put up. In fact It wont be put up till after
the meeting. So again I think you misunderstood him.

> 
> Maybe, i think,  is better before have chat with people and after put news in site  
> 

Thats why there is a meeting saturday on IRC.

> Lot of people are lazy and tell me that, is strange because i talk about that i leave but is normal rotation of rules in 
> eNvolution and currents leaders talk about ..... " are you ready to change ? 

Well Max there was a change. You resigned and a new person is the PM
now...so there was change. Change should be expected. You changed things
when you took over and it should be no different to expect changes when
a new leader steps in. You should wait until meeting with him before
passing judgement. The only thing thats changes so far is the website
and DNS. Im working on restoring from the data you provded to me so
please be a little patient.

> , old vision is not correct, now we change 
> all...."  lot of user, and i talk also about professional user, don't like it and are worry about that.
> 

Change usually woriies people because of the fear of the unknown. No one
know s what exactly is changeing so they feel worried about it. Well
attend the meeting give your input and listen to new ideas and even old
ones and then determine if you should still be worried. I think you will
be pleasantly surprised.

> Why you use irc chat ? lot of people don't like or can't use it, why you don't use easy Spchat.

Mainly cause Ive never heard about it. Secondly IRC is a long time
internet standard communication protocol.

> 
> And do you have think about all people unable to talk english language ?

No. But those same people who dont speak english wouldnt be reading this
list either. So whats your point Max? There is no one person who can
speak every language know to every possible member of the community. So
until someone who can and has the ability to lead a project of this size
language will alsways be a barrier. Logs of all meetings will be posted
and someone can tranlate them. Also international communities can also
appoint one person who can speak their language and english to attend
and speak on their behalf.

> 
> We already start to have two branch of development of eNvolution

Are you saying you've split development?

> 
> eNvolution 125FLS stable release where maybe we can release little fix 
> 
> eNvolution 1.3x ?? ...... where you can talk about and change a vision if other want that ...
> 
> why you want to change all ?

First off Max Im starting to get the impression you are the one
aggitating here. No one is changng any vision yet. No meeting has taken
pace yet...no changed vision or roadmap has been published. Only a
though as to returning to the oriinal roadmap of which changes can be
made and incorportaed. I think you speak before you think.

> 
> you want to follow Postnuke developement, have you think about directory structure ? but have you talk about that with 
> other developers ? maybe someone can have advanced developement in another directory structure.
> 

Again since no meeting has taken place yet your statement is based on
nothing but impatient speculation Max. We will not be follwoing PN
development. There will be an empahsis placed on mainataining
compatability during the 1.x development which is something you always
wanted to have in the first place.

> Please re-think a little .... and respect lot of work others developers, supporters, writers, translators have maked in 
> last year.
> 
> TiMax
> 
While you sit accusiong people of not respecting other maybe you should
do the same and give a little respect too.

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