Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] forums

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Thu, 2003-07-31 at 11:20, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> If I may express my opinion, it seems to me that there is a little
> partecipation in this moment of changing.
> Perhaps it's for many are on holydays, but in a change like this one I
> expected more people writing and caring about the road that we'll take.
> I've not yet understood why Max left and things have been so quick (I
> believe that Max is a quite determined person [non avermene Max], and I
> have the impression that there is more people happy with it than the
> expected.
> This is the impression that partecipating to this written form of
> communication, in a foreign language gives to me.
> The impression of a steering towards other directions done between few
> people.
> I do not want to star a flame, just inform people, that perhaps are working
> in the migration issue and have no time to spare (we have also a private
> life), of the impression we developers have.

Right now it's all work on the migration. DNS was slow to propagate. 
Domain transfers take between 5-7 days according to the registrar. Some
domains ransferred quick some transferred very slowly. Database is
backed up and old site is archived and safe..no data loast.

But migrating data from a 3.23.54 MySQL server into the new 4.0.14
server run into an unexpected problem. It seems the phpMyAdmin dump of
the databases I receieved do not migrate well into the new MySQL server.

I think I have overcome this so have a little patience please.


> There are almost no update on the CVS, 

I have frozen CVS until we have the meeting this weekend. This was done
for a couple reason. One it gave Sourceforge support staff time to clear
up stale locks left in CVS...that is no completed and I announced that
on this list days ago.

It is also locked because there was no protocol that I am aware of on
who make commits and who doesnt. I also personally went thorugh every
songle developer listed on the SF page and noticed that every siongle
one had admin access to somethign or another in the SF site. This isn't
good policy because it does not have any means to track changes to say
things like forum moderation and task assignments. For example Document
writers should not be assigning tasks to developers and developers
should not be assigning bugs reports to document writers. On top of that
of the 25-35 registered developers only a very few actually participate.
So aftre the meeting those that are no longer participating will be
removed. There is no sense in keeping a bunch of people listed there
when they didnt ever particpate in the first place. This just makes
managing a project harder than it has to be.

After the developer meeting we will restore access and start cleaning up
the repositories. So dont panic please..nothing is wrong. It's just
maintenance and reorganization.

> I've submitted all the bug
> correction of Oracle on the 1.3 (I tell it just to warn people to not
> delete it in the migration process, since someone spoke about 1.2.6 and so
> on) and I'm quite sure we can now say that all the product and all the
> modules are converted to Oracle.

Your work on Oracle integration is nice and needed. Keep up the good
work..just please be aptrient while we finish up the migration and
cleanup please then it'll be back to developing.

> We are now working on LDAP, that's because we finished our vacations and we
> are up to work.
> But my impression is the one of 'the silence before the storm'.
> As we are concerned about the future of the product can someone shed a bit
> of honest point of view?
> Thanks
> Luca


You want an honest point of view? OK. Here is mine: Everyone needs to
realize that with changes we should expect to have a few
problems.....also to expect that the new project manager is a different
person than Max...so his style will be different in leading the project.
So please excercise a little patience while we iron out the problems and
get everything restored. The future of the project IS promising if you
just give it a chance.

Zoom