Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect

[TiMax <ma...@em...>]

Hey Brook what is your problem with Italian community ??

On Wed, 30 Jul 2003 06:51:12 -0700, Brook Humphrey wrote:
>   On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote:
>   > I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not=
 talking of
>   > old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago.
>
>   Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of=
 xanthia.
>   I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it.

Check it and I think you can found lot of code.

>   > We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not
>   > understand it's principles.
>
>   gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute.

Yes but with respect, and please to undestand what i mean for respect, is no=
 only two litle linees of credits

>   > We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that=
 causes
>   > all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks.
>
>   What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I=
 also
>   don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6
>   months. Hows that?

what is your problem ? 
I check it and i found all your credits, i remember for example you have=
 worked in postbbcode i check it and oups i can 
found something like 

 //webmedic added for bbcode controles in the news    

in another place 

/* Protects better diverse attempts of Cross-Site Scripting
   attacks, thanks to webmedic, Timax, larsneo.
 */

i check globlals credis of envolution and your name still there ..... what=
 is your problem ??

and anyways we can also make a mistake, you ask and if it is correct we fix=
 it .....

>   Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a=
 few
>   others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing=
 the
>   majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on=
 the
>   cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with=
 sleepless
>   night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could=
 have
>   really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take=
 credit
>   for it all like we never existed and did anything.

another time what is your problem with italian community ?

and i can remember you that, YOU leave envolution development we are always=
 here and we are always open, also, i talk 
with you lot of times and you never ask me to partecipate in envolution=
 cvs.

Also .... we have put some news about call to developers ...... why you=
 don't have answered ?

>   I think you need to reconsider what you are saying.

Yes i think you need to reconsider waht you are saying, i just check very=
 fast this code in Postnuke cvs and i can see 
Oracle Integrazion, Visual block integration, Italian comments about=
 nomoreblocks etc etc 

>   > You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment.
>   > This is expecially true when  the "stealing" come from commercial=
 company
>   > that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with=
 the
>   > power of big structure make money from work of others.
>   > I believe that communities that believe in the free software=
 principle
>   > should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when=
 talking
>   > about this sort of principles.
>   > The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You=
 write
>   > my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else.
>   > I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available=
 to
>   > everybody, that's how the game is played.
>   > Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as=
 recently)
>   > start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping=
 the
>   > code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back.
>   > Who is loosing more from this? You obviously.
>   > Thats all.
>   > Luca
>   >
>
>   Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself=
 and
>   Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't=
 find
>   credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any=
 issues we
>   have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code=
 is
>   and we will give credit.

You don't have removed credits right ...... but you don't have ADDED the=
 credits ... this is the problems .....

Encompass is part of envolution core and you have take only a part of=
 Encompass, so you must add credits for Encompass 
because major of Envolution credits are in globals credits, if you don't=
 know about credits ... you can always ask .... 

Or you think is better if i take a part of code you have developed, only a=
 little part and don't give you your credits.


>   I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on=
 a much
>   older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like=
 some
>   things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues=
 and
>   did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added=
 more
>   features to make an idea we saw here better. Color pallets is an example=
 of
>   this.

Sorry but Envolution have color pallets i think from 6 months .......