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Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-07-30 14:22:59
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Ok. I think there is a miss-understanding. Possible I can clear it a bit. @Brook: In the forum thread I was a bit angry about the posting of Infopro. I can't understand to post such a thing "without saying nothing". That sounds in my ears very practice-substantially. This is my personal feeling. The example with Encompass was also one of my opinion and I know that it was not the best, now. But it is true that we have done (not me, but sjah you can ask) a lot of new things and re-codings in the last three months. The encompass engine is not the same as the version you know 1 year ago. Ok. We should stop the discussion for this point now. It was my mistake to include it in the PN-forum. I'm sorry. We can talk about at an other place. But what Luca want to say are his modifactions in nearly every code with SQL-queries. He modified them for using with Oracle. It is possible to create tables on an existing Oracle database. It is included in the install routines. About his modifications all modules of eNvo 1.25FLS-package can run on Oracle. But what I have miss in the modified codes is any notice like "last modified" or "changed by",etc. @Luca: I'm sorry. But nobody can know it that you have change something. And espacially what you have changed. The only credits I can see are the credits of the original authors. Ok, I haven't checked the whole scripts, but some of them. @All: What we can do now? Is it possible to say: "Many thanks for Oracle implementation to ......" or something else. Maybe here we can find a solution and stop the discussion for this point, too. cu Stefan aka WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brook Humphrey" <ba...@we...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2003 3:51 PM Subject: Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect > On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote: > > I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not talking of > > old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago. > > Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of xanthia. > I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it. > > > We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not > > understand it's principles. > > gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute. > > > Free software is about evolution of the code in the respect of the previous > > owners that gave you the opportunity to have something to improve. > > Yup that would be Brian Virgin, Eric Bar, Brain Lindner, Brook > Humphrey(myself), TImax And Brandon,. > > As for me I cant remember if I worked on encompass directly but I'm fairly > sure I did. I did however work directly on envrender. > > > We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that causes > > all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks. > > What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I also > don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6 > months. Hows that? > > Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a few > others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing the > majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on the > cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with sleepless > night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could have > really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take credit > for it all like we never existed and did anything. > > I think you need to reconsider what you are saying. > > > Committing to GPL is not a fashion it's a belief, it's not only a legal > > statement to put under a piece of code. > > the gpl is a promise that the source shall be free. > > > You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment. > > This is expecially true when the "stealing" come from commercial company > > that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with the > > power of big structure make money from work of others. > > I believe that communities that believe in the free software principle > > should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when talking > > about this sort of principles. > > The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You write > > my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else. > > I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available to > > everybody, that's how the game is played. > > Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as recently) > > start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping the > > code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back. > > Who is loosing more from this? You obviously. > > Thats all. > > Luca > > > > Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself and > Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't find > credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any issues we > have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code is > and we will give credit. > > I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on a much > older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like some > things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues and > did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added more > features to make an idea we saw here better. Color pallets is an example of > this. > > > -- > New and improved with advanced outlook crash handler. > <!--><input type --> > -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~` '~- > Brook Humphrey > Mobile PC Medic, 420 1st, Cheney, WA 99004, 509-235-9107 > http://www.webmedic.net, ba...@we..., ba...@li... > Holiness unto the Lord > -~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~`'~-~` '~- > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including > Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. > Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. > http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/01 > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
