Re: Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] GPL respect

[Brook H. <ba...@we...>]

On Tuesday 29 July 2003 23:51, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> I do not see how your answer respond to the problem, we are not talking of
> old code from the fork, we are talking of code written 1 month ago.

Don't know about this were is this code in the current cvs version of xanthia. 
I'm not saying it's not there but I would like to see it.

> We are talking of people that speak about free software but do not
> understand it's principles.

gpl is free to use as you see fit and redistribute.

> Free software is about evolution of the code in the respect of the previous
> owners that gave you the opportunity to have something to improve.

Yup that would be Brian Virgin, Eric Bar, Brain Lindner, Brook 
Humphrey(myself), TImax And Brandon,. 

As for me I cant remember if I worked on encompass directly but I'm fairly 
sure I did. I did however work directly on envrender.

> We are talking of respect a thing that many often forget and that causes
> all the bickering that we all see in these past weeks.

What I see is those listed above taking controle of envo once more and I also 
don't see any credit in the envo sources for the work we did for 5 - 6 
months. Hows that?

Does the italian community just not know that we were envo. There were a few 
others but those listed above with timax doing translations were doing the 
majority of the work. We were never contacted by any one else to work on the 
cvs when we could have used it the most. We worked many times with sleepless 
night's to support the community. Just a small handfull of us. We could have 
really used the help. Where were you then? and now you want to take credit 
for it all like we never existed and did anything. 

I think you need to reconsider what you are saying.

> Committing to GPL is not a fashion it's a belief, it's not only a legal
> statement to put under a piece of code.

the gpl is a promise that the source shall be free.

> You must respect it if you want to receive the same treatment.
> This is expecially true when  the "stealing" come from commercial company
> that all too often get and easy pick from work of others and, with the
> power of big structure make money from work of others.
> I believe that communities that believe in the free software principle
> should be nobler to raise from one to one and personal matter when talking
> about this sort of principles.
> The thing is simple, you take bask a piece of code I reworked,? You write
> my name on the credits, I ask you no money, or anything else.
> I took the code let your name, didn't sell the code, let it available to
> everybody, that's how the game is played.
> Breaking these rules has just one ending people can fed up (as recently)
> start to work in private, letting nobody know the improvement, keeping the
> code secret and ending up taking from you without giving back.
> Who is loosing more from this? You obviously.
> Thats all.
> Luca
>

Now to put a rest to this show me the code. That you changed both myself and 
Larry masters Have never removed credits. It's a good bet if you don't find 
credits it's because the work is not there. When we have found any issues we 
have corrected it right away. Now having said that show me were the code is 
and we will give credit. 

I assume that will not be able to find it though as we based xanthia on a much 
older version on encompass and have added features since. We did like some 
things but recoded much of it from scratch as the code had many issues and 
did not always work as expected or we found it to be limited so we added more 
features to make an idea we saw here better. Color pallets is an example of 
this.


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