[Envolution-devel] Re: Hosting questions

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On 17 Jul 2003 11:44:58 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote:
>  Envolution developers and community members,
>
>  This email is directed to the envolution-dev list and is CC'd to Sascha
>  Endlicher.
>
>  Below is a message forwarded to not only this list but Sascha Endlicher
>  of www.ezhoshosting.com. Sascha is a former postnuke developer who was
>  closly aligned with John Cox and Gregor Rothfuss back when Envolution
>  forked from PostNuke. It would be a fair assumption that Sascha and the
>  other John Cox supporters have bad feelings toward Envolution and me in
>  particular. This is why Sascha refused to host Envolution websites at
>  his company..NOT because of poor code or factually based technical
>  issues. Read on for explaination please.
>
>  One of our community members was told by this company that they will not
>  host Envolution websites like they will for Postnuke, Xoops, Xaraya, or
>  PHP-Nuke. Instead they claim an Envolution website would have to done on
>  a dedicated server. I wonder if they say this as a way to dishonestly
>  encourage people to abandon Envolution or worse, to trick people into
>  paying for something they don't need. As you can see from the quote I
>  included below from one of our community members (JFK) exzoshosting.com
>  is telling people that Envolution is poorly programmed software.
>
>  I encourage all Envolution users to make informed decisions on their
>  choice for a CMS. They should use a tool that meets or exceeds their
>  needs. True also is the same process for choosing a web host providor.
>  Obviously Sascha Endlicher and his company ezoshosting.com do not want
>  business from Envolution users.
>
>  Sascha and his company can certainly choose to do business with whoever
>  they want..I have no problem with that. What I do have a huge problem
>  with is the misrepresentation of facts to people who are using
>  Envolution by Sascha and his company. This type of collusion is
>  troublesome to me and I feel should be troublesome to other CMS projects
>  like Xoops, PHP-Nuke, etc.
>
>  I am looking for information and advice on how we as a community can
>  leverage our collective voices and show companies like this that we do
>  not wish to be discriminated against because of our choice to use the
>  Envolution CMS. Should we simply ignore them? Should we publicly voice
>  our opinions about this? Should we simply boycott them? Perhaps you have
>  some other clever ideas on how to demonstrate our displeasure with this
>  company's FUD.
>
>  Zoom
>
>  On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 00:20, Sascha Endlicher wrote:
>  > Scott,
>  >
>  > I am sorry, but we will not host your sites.
>  >
>  > Sincerely
>  > Sascha Endlicher
>  > http://www.ezoshosting.com/
>  >
>  > > I am inquiring about hosting a website with your company. I use CMS=
 software called Envolution which is similar 
to Postnuke. Can I get it preinstalled or would I have to install it=
 myself?
>
>  Thanks for the reply Sascha.
>
>  I must admit I am really not looking for a host. I was really probing to
>  find out what your beef with Envolution is since one of our community
>  members posted this quote to our forums at envolution.com:
>
>  <quote>
>  "while I would certainly like to help you, I am afraid we can't help you
>  with your site. It has outgrown the needs of a virtual webhosting site
>  and would need to be placed on a dedicated server.
>  The problem in this case is certainly not the amount of visitors or the
>  bandwidth. Envolution is poorly programmed and uses way too many server
>  resources. Unfortunately it also doesn't use any intelligent caching
>  techniques. As an example: We could host approximately 50 to 100 times
>  more HTML based sites than your site at the same bandwidth."
>  </quote>
>
>  That same member has forwarded email to me concerning this matter as
>  well.
>
>  Since I had not ever heard of ezoshosting.com I thought it prudent to
>  see what you would say to someone who inquired about hosting an
>  Envolution website since ezoshosting.com publicly advertises postnuke,
>  xoops and others.
>
>  Now that I know it is you behind the FUD spreading I can inform our
>  community that the real reason you won't host envolution websites is
>  because of politics instead of technical reasons.
>
>  I'm sure that once the truth is known why ezoshosting.com refuses to do
>  business with Envolution users and adopters, our community members who
>  need hosting services can make informed decisions about who they wish to
>  do business with...and who will refuse to do business with them!
>
>  In closing I wish to inform you that your remarks about Envolution being
>  "poorly programmed" is pure bullshit. In fact it is based on Postnuke
>  code which you yourself contributed to! Benchmarks that were faked by
>  your peers back in the days preceeding Envolution clearly show that
>  Encompass (the poor code you obviously refer to) performed superior to
>  postnuke. It also does contain caching code..had you looked at the code
>  you would've known that. Lying to public inqueries for your services by
>  telling people that Envolution is "poorly programmed" is a real cheap,
>  factually baseless shot...I would expect that from Gregor or Cox, but
>  not from a busieness. It shouldn't matter to you what software a
>  customer uses. It just reinforces how right we were to fork from
>  Postnuke.
>
>  The next version of Postnuke will contain a significant portion of code
>  that originated with Envolution developers and was central to the big
>  political debate which caused you and the other Cox followers to leave
>  postnuke development. Once Postnuke .8 releases with Encompass
>  originated code (the Xanthia theme system is a fork of Encompass) are
>  you going to stop hosting Postnuke sites as well? I imagine it chaps
>  your ass to know that Envolution developers have had such an influence
>  on nuke type CMS's like Postnuke.
>
>  Thanks again for replying to me directly Sascha..it makes the task of
>  rebutting your inaccurate claims that Envolution is "poorly programmed"
>  to the Envolution communty so much easier. I'll also let the XOOP's,
>  PHP-Nuke, and current PostNuke communities know that it is possible to
>  get "locked" out of services they may be interested in by your company
>  simply because of the CMS they choose to use. Who knows maybe one day
>  you'll start telling prospective clients to stop using Xoop's because
>  you don't like Xoop's programmers or something.
>
>  Scott Kindley
>  Zoom
>
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