[Envolution-devel] Re: Hosting questions

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

Envolution developers and community members,

This email is directed to the envolution-dev list and is CC'd to Sascha
Endlicher. 

Below is a message forwarded to not only this list but Sascha Endlicher
of www.ezhoshosting.com. Sascha is a former postnuke developer who was
closly aligned with John Cox and Gregor Rothfuss back when Envolution
forked from PostNuke. It would be a fair assumption that Sascha and the
other John Cox supporters have bad feelings toward Envolution and me in
particular. This is why Sascha refused to host Envolution websites at
his company..NOT because of poor code or factually based technical
issues. Read on for explaination please.

One of our community members was told by this company that they will not
host Envolution websites like they will for Postnuke, Xoops, Xaraya, or
PHP-Nuke. Instead they claim an Envolution website would have to done on
a dedicated server. I wonder if they say this as a way to dishonestly
encourage people to abandon Envolution or worse, to trick people into
paying for something they don't need. As you can see from the quote I
included below from one of our community members (JFK) exzoshosting.com
is telling people that Envolution is poorly programmed software.

I encourage all Envolution users to make informed decisions on their
choice for a CMS. They should use a tool that meets or exceeds their
needs. True also is the same process for choosing a web host providor.
Obviously Sascha Endlicher and his company ezoshosting.com do not want
business from Envolution users. 

Sascha and his company can certainly choose to do business with whoever
they want..I have no problem with that. What I do have a huge problem
with is the misrepresentation of facts to people who are using
Envolution by Sascha and his company. This type of collusion is
troublesome to me and I feel should be troublesome to other CMS projects
like Xoops, PHP-Nuke, etc.

I am looking for information and advice on how we as a community can
leverage our collective voices and show companies like this that we do
not wish to be discriminated against because of our choice to use the
Envolution CMS. Should we simply ignore them? Should we publicly voice
our opinions about this? Should we simply boycott them? Perhaps you have
some other clever ideas on how to demonstrate our displeasure with this
company's FUD.

Zoom

On Thu, 2003-07-17 at 00:20, Sascha Endlicher wrote:
> Scott,
> 
> I am sorry, but we will not host your sites.
> 
> Sincerely
> Sascha Endlicher
> http://www.ezoshosting.com/
> 
> > I am inquiring about hosting a website with your company. I use CMS software called Envolution which is similar to Postnuke. Can I get it preinstalled or would I have to install it myself?

Thanks for the reply Sascha.

I must admit I am really not looking for a host. I was really probing to
find out what your beef with Envolution is since one of our community
members posted this quote to our forums at envolution.com:

<quote>
"while I would certainly like to help you, I am afraid we can't help you
with your site. It has outgrown the needs of a virtual webhosting site
and would need to be placed on a dedicated server. 
The problem in this case is certainly not the amount of visitors or the 
bandwidth. Envolution is poorly programmed and uses way too many server
resources. Unfortunately it also doesn't use any intelligent caching
techniques. As an example: We could host approximately 50 to 100 times
more HTML based sites than your site at the same bandwidth."
</quote>

That same member has forwarded email to me concerning this matter as
well.

Since I had not ever heard of ezoshosting.com I thought it prudent to
see what you would say to someone who inquired about hosting an
Envolution website since ezoshosting.com publicly advertises postnuke,
xoops and others.

Now that I know it is you behind the FUD spreading I can inform our
community that the real reason you won't host envolution websites is
because of politics instead of technical reasons.

I'm sure that once the truth is known why ezoshosting.com refuses to do
business with Envolution users and adopters, our community members who
need hosting services can make informed decisions about who they wish to
do business with...and who will refuse to do business with them!

In closing I wish to inform you that your remarks about Envolution being
"poorly programmed" is pure bullshit. In fact it is based on Postnuke
code which you yourself contributed to! Benchmarks that were faked by
your peers back in the days preceeding Envolution clearly show that
Encompass (the poor code you obviously refer to) performed superior to
postnuke. It also does contain caching code..had you looked at the code
you would've known that. Lying to public inqueries for your services by
telling people that Envolution is "poorly programmed" is a real cheap,
factually baseless shot...I would expect that from Gregor or Cox, but
not from a busieness. It shouldn't matter to you what software a
customer uses. It just reinforces how right we were to fork from
Postnuke.

The next version of Postnuke will contain a significant portion of code
that originated with Envolution developers and was central to the big
political debate which caused you and the other Cox followers to leave
postnuke development. Once Postnuke .8 releases with Encompass
originated code (the Xanthia theme system is a fork of Encompass) are
you going to stop hosting Postnuke sites as well? I imagine it chaps
your ass to know that Envolution developers have had such an influence
on nuke type CMS's like Postnuke.

Thanks again for replying to me directly Sascha..it makes the task of
rebutting your inaccurate claims that Envolution is "poorly programmed"
to the Envolution communty so much easier. I'll also let the XOOP's,
PHP-Nuke, and current PostNuke communities know that it is possible to
get "locked" out of services they may be interested in by your company
simply because of the CMS they choose to use. Who knows maybe one day
you'll start telling prospective clients to stop using Xoop's because
you don't like Xoop's programmers or something.

Scott Kindley
Zoom