RE: [Envolution-devel] Power Mongers

[Scott K. <sc...@ki...>]

On Sun, 2003-07-06 at 14:42, Denver Prophit Jr. wrote:
> There you go long windily hijacking my words again to suite your need.
> Never was about ME.  

Well you typed em. I simply pointed out what you later admit to be
"facts that are not 100% bullet-proof"...meaning incorrect facts.

> You left the project your no longer any kinda
> nothing except a contributor.  

Hum. Brian "left" it too, yet he seems to have some kind of "power" over
your opinions. After all you keep bringing him up. What is your
facination with power anyway? After all the post I made that prompted
your rage suggested better communication between members of the network.

As for your personal insult that I am a "nothing"....I'll take that as a
childish remark that illustrates how you marginalize people. I don't
think you are a "nothing" Denver. In fact I think you are a bright and
talented person with a lot of genuine ideas. But thinking things through
from other peoples perspective is not a strong suit of yours.

> Sorry your power hold is gone. Max leads
> things now.

Yes Max is the project leader. I never had any more "power" than any
other member of the community. That is by design by the way.

> 
> Do I care about that old idea of a 501-C3 now?  Not really.

Then why bring it up when the original posts where about commuinicating
between develoeprs! Nothing in those posts or this new thread you
started have anything to do with legal status such as 501-C3.

>   I'm happy
> doing what I do now in my efforts.  I can still already see you
> referring back to yourself as a founder and throwing your weight around
> as usual.  Well you abandoned it because we would not go to object
> oriented programming like you wanted.  

I didn't abandon anything. My life doesn't revolve around software. If
you think suggesting that we better communicate is "throwing my weight
around" then so be it. If you think because I referred to myself as a
founding member of this project is "throwing my weight around" then so
be that too.

News flash Denver. I don't code in OOP. Brian does! He is the one who
was pushing OOP. In fact the outrageous silliness of your assertion that
"I" code anything discredits you to a level you simply won't understand.
I code very, very little in PHP. 

> Your project failed so I guess
> you come back trying to usurp the authority you once had.

I never left. Just resigned from day to day management. And my project
with my business associates has not failed and has nothing to do with
envolution in any way. It is progressing and comtinues to progress. My
associates and I meet almost every night. Of course you wouldn't know
anything about it since you are not involved in it and have no damn clue
what your talking about.

> 
> That's my only beef.  Stop trying to play king of the hill and play
> nicely in the sandbox with the rest of us.  

Maybe you can realize the sandbox built wasn't the one you envisioned.
Maybe you should take your own advice and "play nicly too" cause all I
did to spark your recent posts was to suggest better communication. If
suggesting better communication extrapolates into playing "king of the
hill" then we should all be playing king of the hill more often.

> Sorry my facts were not 100%
> bullet-proof. We all know how you like to Parle with words.

Damn facts always seem to get in your way don't they. Funny that factual
information is important. Maybe you should pay attention to the facts a
little closer instead of slinging FUD and misinformation.

> 
> "..happy elsewhere" sorry I'm not going anywhere nice try.

Good. I don't want anyone to leave. But I don't want you to be unhappy
either. If Envolution is an environment which makes you so unhappy then
either produce a solution that the community as a whole will benefit
from or find a plce you will be happy.  

> 
> I'll ignore any other replies to this thread as I'm already unhappy I
> started it but if I had to express my feelings anywhere...here would be
> the best place away from the community forums.
> 

Expressing feelings based on facts that are not "100% bullet-proof", as
you admitted, are what cause ill will and problems. If you have a
grievance based on facts you can back up I'll be the first person in
line to make sure they get heard. If all you want is to create personal
attacks on specific people then take it to those persons directly and
discontinue to foul up development resources with misinformation and
emotional discourse.

Zoom