Re: [Envolution-devel] org. questions... talk with me

[TiMax <ma...@em...>]

On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote:
>  Here are my points of organize structure we have to
>  do:
>
>  First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ?
>   Read here:=
 http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&f=
ile=3Dindex&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25
>
>  I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core,
>   module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates=
 all other devs
>   and delegate things. Look into the document. The description=
 there is perfect.
>   Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and=
 a Local Lead
>   Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features
>   differs (users in USA need other features as users in
>   Germany).

i agree .. 
who have time  to be our Lead Develper ?


>  As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in
>   many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it=
 would be nice, if
>   we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads,=
 Weblinks, some
>   support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a=
 new upload on
>   eNvo.com.

i don't agree with that, i already try with this features but not=
 work .... it not work because is too different for 
example Italian and english language, so sometimes some upload=
 are specifi for Italian users and is not good for other 
people. 
I think is better to have channel or mailing list dedicated to=
 all support sites, so all responsables can write in this 
mailing list all news, new download etc other responsable can=
 read it translate it and put in his download section.


>
>  Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I
>   don't know it in details. I can't find any public (or=
 private) information
>   which will answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on=
 CVS, I can only
>   find two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And=
 I mean
>   developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc.

I agree .... i see also in PN they changed all credits visible=
 with credits module to last developer, and i think is 
correct to change it also for us, maybe i change it tomorrow,=
 because i think is correct to have public credit and 
contact about last developer work around module, block etc .....

>
>  The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last
>   year. This document has to be update on new status of the=
 actual eNvo-version.
>   There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the=
 meantime. Possible
>   we need a new starting point.

i agree we talk about it ..

>
>  In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything:
>   Developers do translations, Translators supports, Testers=
 fixes, and so on.
>   And nobody knows, what the other do.
>
>  At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near
>   future, lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we=
 need a
>   hirarchical structure for personal, positions, things todo=
 and complete
>   projects process.

agree

>
>  To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a
>   identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time,=
 the layout of
>   News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs.=
 Possible to
>   coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into=
 a secondary API,
>   which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as=
 the pnAPI). Here
>   we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps,=
 Select-Boxes, Colorpicker,
>   Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc.

i agree ... and we need to write some code rules also 


>
>  We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It
>   is good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder,=
 manages all and
>   hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to=
 split it off and
>   coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do=
 anything at same
>   time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for eNvo.com and=
 eNvo.it It is
>   impossible for one person to code, support, discuss basics,=
 coordinate,
>   administrate, etc. for this kind of program eNvo is. If we=
 can change it,
>   everybody can concentrate his work on his primary tasks in=
 the
>   community.

I agree ouffffffffff LOL


>
>  A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion
>   board on IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd=
 Thursday, once a
>   month; and splitted for development and support.
>  This are only some of my points of view. Possible
>  my opinion is too heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But=
 I want to dicuss
>  my thoughts with all of you.

I agree also 


>  And remember:
>  This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise
>  single persons. The points above are fundamental problems I=
 see for the whole
>  project. I'm a developer who works the whole day (and=
 sometimes the whole night)
>  with eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large=
 production
>  company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is=
 eNvolution. And I don't want
>  to change it to an other system.
>   
>  So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with
>  and for this great CVS.
>   
>  Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp
>  s.k...@pr...
>  www.drachentasche.de
>  www.envolution.de
>   
>  +++ walking in the air
>  +++

Yes i know you are good boy and good developer LOL

Timax