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Rif: Re: [Envolution-devel] org. questions... talk with me
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-05-23 14:37:02
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Hi to all. Here is another contribute from Italy. As one of you may have noticed on the CVS we are making the changes for= the Oracle compatibility and completing right now the installation procedur= e, so to have the same fluid installation both on Oracle and mysql. I agree on the need of a roadmap, and as TiMax was saying we started a discussion on the 'italian side of the world' and TiMax will report on = our impressions ad proposals as he said. We wrote a doc on the coding rules for Oracle compatibility, but for no= w it's only in italian (even if the examples are in code language). If could be needed we could cover the Oracle DB part of the development= and be the ones to depend upon about it (just consider that for the june mo= nth we'll be on vacation). I'd like to stress a few points we'll need to develop on envolution for= our needs, that we'll like to confront with the development team; we need: LDAP integration (i saw a module for postnuke that could be integrated)= performance matter, we are going to stress envolution with Mercury's Loadrunner in a few days and we'll transmit all of you the results and = plan to find the bottlenecks (if there are any); this because we need to use= anvo in a contest with 20000 users. group recursion (we'll like to have subgroups and so on) document download categories recursion (even in this case we need to ha= ve unlimited depth of subcategories) All these things toghether with the conversion to Oracle (which is not complete right now). The situation on Oracle is that the basic funcionalities are operative = and we can have a running site, obviously not jet a production situation, w= e are continually injecting modifications so until someone stops the work= on the CVS to make the tests before the release, we can complete more piec= es. Thats all folks Luca alias csipiemonte |---------+--------------------------------------------> | | TiMax <ma...@em...> | | | Inviato da: | | | env...@li...ur| | | ceforge.net | | | | | | | | | 05/23/2003 01:40 PM | | | Per favore, rispondere a | | | envolution-devel | | | | |---------+--------------------------------------------> >--------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------| | = | | Per: <env...@li...> = | | Cc: = | | Oggetto: Re: [Envolution-devel] org. questions... talk with = me | >--------------------------------------------------------------------= --------------------------| I answer you very fast I agree with you with 95% of your points. Sure also i can't do all work, i can't manage all, and is for this reas= on i ask Sjah to be webmaster of envolution.com and organize site and people want to help us in envo.com, like Burke, Theresa, Jim, Arden etc ... For this reason i let manage from his responsable any site like envolution.de with you and Christoph, Envo france with Peter, Philip, Pyksel and pantosite, and sure envo italy with me and ot= her people. But sure i need also to make other works, so i can't manage all for all= times and Sjah with his article write some good things, and anyway at least you write your email after you have read th= is article and we start with discussion and that is good ... Sure we need to write to do list, programmation rules, and documentatio= n specially in english site, that is because eNvolution is not english project, eNvolution is different we have hard= and good community in Italian and german site for exampe and we need to valorize that, we need manage all things in international sites and move it in envolution.com and vice versa, i want envolution like one network and not one site. We already start with these discussions in italian mailing list, in nex= t days i report you what we think and so in nice to start with this discussion also here ... go go boys now i must to go and sorry for my poor english TiMax On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > Hi @all: > It is nice to hear, that we want to release the new > version eNvo 1.2.1 soon, and we are preparing for the next milestone= "eNvo > 1.3". > Thanks sjah for the article on www.envolution.com . > But about this article, it seems to me, I have to > write some lines and my points of view about the complete project > "eNvolution". > And I think the env-devel mailinglist is the > correct platform to do this. > > sjah: You wrote, the developement team is preparing > for eNvo 1.3. Who is the devel-team? Who is developer of eNvolution core? Who > works on what? Who coordinates all things that has to be coded? Wher= e is the new roadmap? What we do next? > > Questions over questions. I'd discussed it with > TiMax sometimes ago. And I think it is time now, to bring up the complete > eNvo-Team (not only the CMS-project itself) into the right > direction. > > Here are my points of organize structure we have to > do: > > First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ? > Read here: http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&file= =3Dindex&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25 > > I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core, > module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates all ot= her devs > and delegate things. Look into the document. The description there = is perfect. > Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and a Loca= l Lead > Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features > differs (users in USA need other features as users in > Germany). > > As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in > many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it would be= nice, if > we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads, Weblinks, = some > support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a new upl= oad on > eNvo.com. > > Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I > don't know it in details. I can't find any public (or private) information > which will answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on CVS, I = can only > find two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And I mea= n > developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc. > > The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last > year. This document has to be update on new status of the actual eNvo-version. > There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the meantime= . Possible > we need a new starting point. > > In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything: > Developers do translations, Translators supports, Testers fixes, an= d so on. > And nobody knows, what the other do. > > At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near > future, lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we need = a > hirarchical structure for personal, positions, things todo and comp= lete > projects process. > > To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a > identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time, the la= yout of > News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs. Possibl= e to > coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into a secondary API, > which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as the pnAPI). Here > we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps, Select-Boxes, Colorpicker, > Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc. > > We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It > is good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder, manage= s all and > hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to split= it off and > coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do anything = at same > time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for eNvo.com and eNvo.i= t It is > impossible for one person to code, support, discuss basics, coordin= ate, > administrate, etc. for this kind of program eNvo is. If we can chan= ge it, > everybody can concentrate his work on his primary tasks in the > community. > > A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion > board on IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd Thursday= , once a > month; and splitted for development and support. > This are only some of my points of view. Possible > my opinion is too heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But I wan= t to dicuss > my thoughts with all of you. > > And remember: > This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise > single persons. The points above are fundamental problems I see for = the whole > project. I'm a developer who works the whole day (and sometimes the whole night) > with eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large production > company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is eNvolution. And = I don't want > to change it to an other system. > > So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with > and for this great CVS. > > Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp > s.k...@pr... > www.drachentasche.de > www.envolution.de > > +++ walking in the air > +++ ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: ObjectStore. If flattening out C++ or Java code to make your application fit in a relational database is painful, don't do it! Check out ObjectStore. 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