Re: [Envolution-devel] org. questions... talk with me

[TiMax <ma...@em...>]

I answer you very  fast
I agree with you with 95% of your points.

Sure also i can't do all work, i can't manage all, and is for=
 this reason i ask Sjah to be webmaster of envolution.com 
and organize site and people want to help us in envo.com, like=
 Burke, Theresa, Jim, Arden etc ...
For this reason i let manage from his responsable any site like=
 envolution.de with you and Christoph, Envo france with 
Peter, Philip, Pyksel and pantosite, and sure envo italy with me=
 and other people.

But sure i need also to make other works, so i can't manage all=
 for all times and Sjah with his article write some good 
things, and anyway at least you write your email after you have=
 read this article and we start with discussion and that 
is good ... 

Sure we need to write to do list, programmation rules, and=
 documentation specially in english site, that is because 
eNvolution is not english project, eNvolution is different we=
 have hard and good community in Italian and german site 
for exampe and we need to valorize that, we need manage all=
 things in international sites and move it in envolution.com 
and vice versa, i want envolution like one network and not one=
 site.

We already start with these discussions in italian mailing list,=
 in next days i report you what we think and so in nice 
to start with this discussion also here ... 

go go boys 

now i must to go and sorry for my poor english

TiMax





On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote:
>  Hi @all:
>  It is nice to hear, that we want to release the new
>  version eNvo 1.2.1 soon, and we are preparing for the next=
 milestone "eNvo
>  1.3".
>  Thanks sjah for the article on www.envolution.com .
>  But about this article, it seems to me, I have to
>  write some lines and my points of view about the complete=
 project
>  "eNvolution".
>  And I think the env-devel mailinglist is the
>  correct platform to do this.
>   
>  sjah: You wrote, the developement team is preparing
>  for eNvo 1.3. Who is the devel-team? Who is developer of=
 eNvolution core? Who
>  works on what? Who coordinates all things that has to be=
 coded? Where is the new roadmap? What we do next?
>   
>  Questions over questions. I'd discussed it with
>  TiMax sometimes ago. And I think it is time now, to bring up=
 the complete
>  eNvo-Team (not only the CMS-project itself) into the right
>  direction. 
>   
>  Here are my points of organize structure we have to
>  do:
>
>  First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ?
>   Read here:=
 http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&f=
ile=3Dindex&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25
>
>  I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core,
>   module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates=
 all other devs
>   and delegate things. Look into the document. The description=
 there is perfect.
>   Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and=
 a Local Lead
>   Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features
>   differs (users in USA need other features as users in
>   Germany).
>
>  As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in
>   many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it=
 would be nice, if
>   we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads,=
 Weblinks, some
>   support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a=
 new upload on
>   eNvo.com.
>
>  Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I
>   don't know it in details. I can't find any public (or=
 private) information
>   which will answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on=
 CVS, I can only
>   find two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And=
 I mean
>   developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc.
>
>  The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last
>   year. This document has to be update on new status of the=
 actual eNvo-version.
>   There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the=
 meantime. Possible
>   we need a new starting point.
>
>  In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything:
>   Developers do translations, Translators supports, Testers=
 fixes, and so on.
>   And nobody knows, what the other do.
>
>  At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near
>   future, lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we=
 need a
>   hirarchical structure for personal, positions, things todo=
 and complete
>   projects process.
>
>  To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a
>   identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time,=
 the layout of
>   News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs.=
 Possible to
>   coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into=
 a secondary API,
>   which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as=
 the pnAPI). Here
>   we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps,=
 Select-Boxes, Colorpicker,
>   Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc.
>
>  We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It
>   is good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder,=
 manages all and
>   hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to=
 split it off and
>   coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do=
 anything at same
>   time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for eNvo.com and=
 eNvo.it It is
>   impossible for one person to code, support, discuss basics,=
 coordinate,
>   administrate, etc. for this kind of program eNvo is. If we=
 can change it,
>   everybody can concentrate his work on his primary tasks in=
 the
>   community.
>
>  A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion
>   board on IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd=
 Thursday, once a
>   month; and splitted for development and support.
>  This are only some of my points of view. Possible
>  my opinion is too heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But=
 I want to dicuss
>  my thoughts with all of you.
>   
>  And remember:
>  This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise
>  single persons. The points above are fundamental problems I=
 see for the whole
>  project. I'm a developer who works the whole day (and=
 sometimes the whole night)
>  with eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large=
 production
>  company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is=
 eNvolution. And I don't want
>  to change it to an other system.
>   
>  So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with
>  and for this great CVS.
>   
>  Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp
>  s.k...@pr...
>  www.drachentasche.de
>  www.envolution.de
>   
>  +++ walking in the air
>  +++