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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-12 15:49:47
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<p>Only to let you know that, now also Arena Forum developement=
are in our Sourceforge CVS.</p>
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<p>Burke if you want to write little news about</p>
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<p>bye</p>
<p>TiMax</p>
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-05-13 00:26:07
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Thanks for getting that setup and adding me to the project at Sourceforge TiMax. Hello everyone, Within the next couple days, I'll be getting my laptop set back up to work with CVS so I can start posting fixes to Arena as they come up. There are also a few parts that I plan on re-coding as soon as I get the chance. Please use the bug.envolution.com site to submit your bugs & fixes if you're unable to commit the changes to CVS. If this is the case, I will review and confirm the posts and get them committed at my earliest convenience. -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM To: env...@li... Subject: [Envolution-devel] Arena Forum in CVS Only to let you know that, now also Arena Forum developement are in our Sourceforge CVS. Burke if you want to write little news about bye TiMax ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions www.enterpriselinuxforum.com _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-05-13 05:25:46
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I translated Arena Forum to german. Also the buttons wit a very nice web-interface somewhere in the net. Now I would like to do some changes, also to the buttons, but I don#t have that adress. Anybody knows it? Burke wrote: > Thanks for getting that setup and adding me to the project at > Sourceforge TiMax. > > Hello everyone, > > Within the next couple days, I'll be getting my laptop set back up to > work with CVS so I can start posting fixes to Arena as they come up. > There are also a few parts that I plan on re-coding as soon as I get > the chance. Please use the bug.envolution.com site to submit your bugs > & fixes if you're unable to commit the changes to CVS. If this is the > case, I will review and confirm the posts and get them committed at my > earliest convenience. > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] *On Behalf Of *TiMax > *Sent:* Monday, May 12, 2003 8:36 AM > *To:* env...@li... > *Subject:* [Envolution-devel] Arena Forum in CVS > > Only to let you know that, now also Arena Forum developement are in > our Sourceforge CVS. > > Burke if you want to write little news about > > bye > > TiMax > > ------------------------------------------------------- Enterprise > Linux Forum Conference & Expo, June 4-6, 2003, Santa Clara The only > event dedicated to issues related to Linux enterprise solutions > www.enterpriselinuxforum.com > _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel > mailing list Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel -- mailto:chr...@t-... personal: http://www.christoph-schwaeppe.de CMS: http://www.envolution.de ICQ: 174676647 jabber gat...@am... |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-13 06:18:18
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<p><SPAN>http://yabbbuttons.cjb.net/<BR/><BR/></SPAN></p>
<p><SPAN>On Tue, 13 May 2003 07:25:30 +0200, Christoph Schwaeppe=
wrote:</SPAN></p>
<p>>=A0 I translated Arena Forum to german. Also the buttons wit=
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<p>>=A0 >=A0Thanks for getting that setup and adding me to the=
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<p>>=A0 >=A0Sourceforge TiMax.</p>
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<p>>=A0 >=A0Hello everyone,</p>
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<p>>=A0 >=A0*Subject:* [Envolution-devel] Arena Forum in=
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<p>>=A0 >=A0Only to let you know that, now also Arena Forum=
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<p>>=A0 >=A0our Sourceforge CVS.</p>
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<p>>=A0 >=A0Burke if you want to write little news about</p>
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<p>>=A0 >=A0bye</p>
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-14 02:06:12
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<p>I updated account profile with extended features and upload=
personal avatar in CVS, please French and German translator=
check NS-User and NS-Your_Account module for translation, use=
english language for reference.</p>
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-05-23 11:03:37
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Hi @all: It is nice to hear, that we want to release the new version eNvo 1.2.1 = soon, and we are preparing for the next milestone "eNvo 1.3". Thanks sjah for the article on www.envolution.com . But about this article, it seems to me, I have to write some lines and = my points of view about the complete project "eNvolution". And I think the env-devel mailinglist is the correct platform to do = this. sjah: You wrote, the developement team is preparing for eNvo 1.3. Who is = the devel-team? Who is developer of eNvolution core? Who works on what? = Who coordinates all things that has to be coded? Where is the new = roadmap? What we do next? Questions over questions. I'd discussed it with TiMax sometimes ago. And = I think it is time now, to bring up the complete eNvo-Team (not only the = CMS-project itself) into the right direction.=20 Here are my points of organize structure we have to do: a.. First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ? Read = here: = http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&file=3D= index&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25 b.. I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core, = module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates all other = devs and delegate things. Look into the document. The description there = is perfect. Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and = a Local Lead Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features = differs (users in USA need other features as users in Germany). c.. As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in many = countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it would be nice, if = we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads, Weblinks, some = support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a new upload = on eNvo.com. d.. Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I don't know it = in details. I can't find any public (or private) information which will = answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on CVS, I can only find = two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And I mean = developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc. e.. The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last year. = This document has to be update on new status of the actual eNvo-version. = There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the meantime. = Possible we need a new starting point. f.. In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything: Developers do = translations, Translators supports, Testers fixes, and so on. And nobody = knows, what the other do. g.. At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near future, = lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we need a hirarchical = structure for personal, positions, things todo and complete projects = process. h.. To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a = identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time, the layout = of News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs. Possible = to coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into a = secondary API, which will only load if modules needed (not every = loadtime as the pnAPI). Here we can include functions and programs i.e. = PopUps, Select-Boxes, Colorpicker, Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc. i.. We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It is = good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder, manages all = and hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to split = it off and coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do = anything at same time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for = eNvo.com and eNvo.it It is impossible for one person to code, support, = discuss basics, coordinate, administrate, etc. for this kind of program = eNvo is. If we can change it, everybody can concentrate his work on his = primary tasks in the community. j.. A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion board on = IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd Thursday, once a = month; and splitted for development and support. This are only some of my points of view. Possible my opinion is too = heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But I want to dicuss my = thoughts with all of you.=20 And remember: This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise single persons. The = points above are fundamental problems I see for the whole project. I'm a = developer who works the whole day (and sometimes the whole night) with = eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large production = company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is eNvolution. And I = don't want to change it to an other system.=20 So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with and for this great = CVS. Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp s.k...@pr... www.drachentasche.de www.envolution.de +++ walking in the air +++ |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-23 11:39:05
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I answer you very fast I agree with you with 95% of your points. Sure also i can't do all work, i can't manage all, and is for= this reason i ask Sjah to be webmaster of envolution.com and organize site and people want to help us in envo.com, like= Burke, Theresa, Jim, Arden etc ... For this reason i let manage from his responsable any site like= envolution.de with you and Christoph, Envo france with Peter, Philip, Pyksel and pantosite, and sure envo italy with me= and other people. But sure i need also to make other works, so i can't manage all= for all times and Sjah with his article write some good things, and anyway at least you write your email after you have= read this article and we start with discussion and that is good ... Sure we need to write to do list, programmation rules, and= documentation specially in english site, that is because eNvolution is not english project, eNvolution is different we= have hard and good community in Italian and german site for exampe and we need to valorize that, we need manage all= things in international sites and move it in envolution.com and vice versa, i want envolution like one network and not one= site. We already start with these discussions in italian mailing list,= in next days i report you what we think and so in nice to start with this discussion also here ... go go boys now i must to go and sorry for my poor english TiMax On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > Hi @all: > It is nice to hear, that we want to release the new > version eNvo 1.2.1 soon, and we are preparing for the next= milestone "eNvo > 1.3". > Thanks sjah for the article on www.envolution.com . > But about this article, it seems to me, I have to > write some lines and my points of view about the complete= project > "eNvolution". > And I think the env-devel mailinglist is the > correct platform to do this. > > sjah: You wrote, the developement team is preparing > for eNvo 1.3. Who is the devel-team? Who is developer of= eNvolution core? Who > works on what? Who coordinates all things that has to be= coded? Where is the new roadmap? What we do next? > > Questions over questions. I'd discussed it with > TiMax sometimes ago. And I think it is time now, to bring up= the complete > eNvo-Team (not only the CMS-project itself) into the right > direction. > > Here are my points of organize structure we have to > do: > > First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ? > Read here:= http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&f= ile=3Dindex&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25 > > I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core, > module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates= all other devs > and delegate things. Look into the document. The description= there is perfect. > Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and= a Local Lead > Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features > differs (users in USA need other features as users in > Germany). > > As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in > many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it= would be nice, if > we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads,= Weblinks, some > support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a= new upload on > eNvo.com. > > Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I > don't know it in details. I can't find any public (or= private) information > which will answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on= CVS, I can only > find two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And= I mean > developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc. > > The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last > year. This document has to be update on new status of the= actual eNvo-version. > There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the= meantime. Possible > we need a new starting point. > > In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything: > Developers do translations, Translators supports, Testers= fixes, and so on. > And nobody knows, what the other do. > > At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near > future, lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we= need a > hirarchical structure for personal, positions, things todo= and complete > projects process. > > To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a > identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time,= the layout of > News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs.= Possible to > coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into= a secondary API, > which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as= the pnAPI). Here > we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps,= Select-Boxes, Colorpicker, > Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc. > > We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It > is good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder,= manages all and > hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to= split it off and > coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do= anything at same > time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for eNvo.com and= eNvo.it It is > impossible for one person to code, support, discuss basics,= coordinate, > administrate, etc. for this kind of program eNvo is. If we= can change it, > everybody can concentrate his work on his primary tasks in= the > community. > > A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion > board on IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd= Thursday, once a > month; and splitted for development and support. > This are only some of my points of view. Possible > my opinion is too heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But= I want to dicuss > my thoughts with all of you. > > And remember: > This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise > single persons. The points above are fundamental problems I= see for the whole > project. I'm a developer who works the whole day (and= sometimes the whole night) > with eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large= production > company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is= eNvolution. And I don't want > to change it to an other system. > > So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with > and for this great CVS. > > Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp > s.k...@pr... > www.drachentasche.de > www.envolution.de > > +++ walking in the air > +++ |
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From: Sjahrazad A. <sja...@ba...> - 2003-05-23 16:53:27
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote > [...] > sjah: You wrote, the developement team is preparing for eNvo 1.3.=20 > Who is the devel-team? Who is developer of eNvolution core? Who=20 > works on what? Who coordinates all things that has to be coded?=20 > Where is the new roadmap? What we do next? [...] Yes, these are the right points. There are lot of things should be arrang= ed,=20 and become homework for the founders and all of the team involved. From my point, the recent article is just only about communication timing= .=20 We have lot of new members who starting to know eNvo. The forum is active= =20 with questions. And maybe some new members also not came from pn users. S= o=20 we have to start to maintain the communication to eNvo members.=20 For the next posting /article which are related to the development issue,= =20 I'll post it here first, to get some feedback before post it to envo.com eNvo has to build its own identity, not only stop as pn forking with bett= er=20 solutions. Envo.com should become window display to express the envo power itself. I= 'm=20 not talking about theme design or graphic design, but about the consisten= cy=20 of information architecture that we produce in envo.com We have to find our own motto and vision, for i.e. replace the motto in e= nvo=20 main page, 'eNvolution is a PostNuke forking .. etc'. From marketing side= ,=20 this is not a 'selling' information :) > [...] > Questions over questions. I'd discussed it with TiMax sometimes ago.=20 > And I think it is time now, to bring up the complete eNvo-Team (not=20 > only the CMS-project itself) into the right direction.=20 >=20 > Here are my points of organize structure we have to do: > [...] Let me share about this a little bit. I started business from 1987, and=20 involved in many management roles. But in opensource world, I found a uni= que=20 form about the organization itself. It seems it should have a new mechani= sm=20 in open source organization. More similar to political party organization= =20 rather than business organization :) The key point are the same vision,=20 idealism and goals. If these are stated clearly, then volunteers will be=20 interested to involve more seriously.=20 The ENISS concept, I think its a good starting point. Why I stay involved= in=20 eNvolution, because I agreed with the eNvo Network concept. sjah ps: I plan to install phprojekt in envodev site. This is a light groupware ap= p.=20 not too complicated, which can be used to integrate all ideas, task from = all=20 envo networks. We don't need to create fixed schedules, but at least we h= ave=20 a time frame for the planning. |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-05-23 23:15:34
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sjah: [...] From my point, the recent article is just only about communication timing. We have lot of new members who starting to know eNvo. The forum is active with questions. And maybe some new members also not came from pn users. So we have to start to maintain the communication to eNvo members. [...] You're right. This is a big problem overall. But if we have a better documentation in our supported languages, most users don't ask basic questions. So the support-team can concentrate they work better. But I meant with my points of view not only the supporting, more with developer eyes. [...] For the next posting /article which are related to the development issue, I'll post it here first, to get some feedback before post it to envo.com [...] Good. I hope I'm not the one-and-only developer on this list ;-) [..] We have to find our own motto and vision, for i.e. replace the motto in envo main page, 'eNvolution is a PostNuke forking .. etc'. From marketing side, this is not a 'selling' information :) [...] Absolutly agreed. Now eNvo is better then last year. And only in some core parts a fork of PN / phpNuke. There are many functions, modules and designs which other CMS haven't. And I don't forget the great work of our italian friends (many thanks to Luca alias csipiemonte) about Oracle integration. This direction is what eNvo needs. These things make eNvo uniquely. [...] More similar to political party organization rather than business organization :) The key point are the same vision, idealism and goals. If these are stated clearly, then volunteers will be interested to involve more seriously. [...] But I think also OpenSource-projects with the dimension of eNvo needs a bit same strictly and hirarchical structure as a commercial project. Not all and not with same restrictions. But without any rules, everybody can do what he want, and maybe two devs works on same things at same time (but without knowing them). This is dangerously and unexceptable. Remember what happend with PN-devel-team last year. [..] I plan to install phprojekt in envodev site. This is a light groupware app. not too complicated, which can be used to integrate all ideas, task from all envo networks. We don't need to create fixed schedules, but at least we have a time frame for the planning. [...] Good idea. But do you know that I am develop a module named "Todo"? This is part of our intranet with some more links to our backends (SAP R/3, Customers, projects, marketing, etc.) and several permission checks. I have change this module a bit and installed it on eNvo.de. Sorry, but not all works fine now. But I will finish it soon. If you are interested, you can see it in action here: http://www.germany.envolution.net/index.php?module=todolist Not all members are allowed to look into this list. I have to activate them manually. But "sjah", "GatoNero" and "TiMax" are activated. Possible we can use it instead of phproject. ;-) WindMeUp |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-24 03:43:21
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On Sat, 24 May 2003 01:17:30 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > Absolutly agreed. Now eNvo is better then last year. And only= in some core > parts a fork of PN / phpNuke. > There are many functions, modules and designs which other CMS= haven't. > And I don't forget the great work of our italian friends (many= thanks to > Luca alias csipiemonte) about Oracle integration. > This direction is what eNvo needs. These things make eNvo= uniquely. But now we need to have good english documentation .... and sure= i can't write it :)) > [...] More similar to political party organization > rather than business organization :) The key point are the= same vision, > idealism and goals. If these are stated clearly, then= volunteers will be > interested to involve more seriously. [...] > > But I think also OpenSource-projects with the dimension of= eNvo needs a bit > same strictly and hirarchical structure as a commercial= project. Not all and > not with same restrictions. But without any rules, everybody= can do what he > want, and maybe two devs works on same things at same time= (but without > knowing them). > This is dangerously and unexceptable. > Remember what happend with PN-devel-team last year. But remember also we are in Open Source world and sometimes is= not easy to organize all people, because lot of times when you think to have people for all place .... maybe someone= have family, work or his problems so ........ ..... is not easy to manage it > > [..] I plan to install phprojekt in envodev site. This is a= light groupware > app. > not too complicated, which can be used to integrate all ideas,= task from all > envo networks. We don't need to create fixed schedules, but at= least we have > a time frame for the planning. [...] > > Good idea. But do you know that I am develop a module named= "Todo"? This is > part of our intranet with some more links to our backends (SAP= R/3, > Customers, projects, marketing, etc.) and several permission= checks. > I have change this module a bit and installed it on eNvo.de.= Sorry, but not > all works fine now. But I will finish it soon. > > If you are interested, you can see it in action here: > http://www.germany.envolution.net/index.php?module=3Dtodolist > Not all members are allowed to look into this list. I have to= activate them > manually. > But "sjah", "GatoNero" and "TiMax" are activated. > > Possible we can use it instead of phproject. ;-) > > WindMeUp Nice module .... and tell me are ready to use ? TiMax |
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From: Sjahrazad A. <sja...@ba...> - 2003-05-24 04:53:05
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On Sat, 24 May 2003 01:17:30 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote > [...] > But I think also OpenSource-projects with the dimension of eNvo=20 > needs a bit same strictly and hirarchical structure as a commercial=20 > project. Not all and not with same restrictions. But without any=20 > rules, everybody can do what he want, and maybe two devs works on=20 > same things at same time (but without knowing them). This is=20 > dangerously and unexceptable. Remember what happend with PN-devel- > team last year.[...] Yes, you're right, it needs managers to organize the groups task and keep= =20 the committed rules. However, in commercial hierarchy, you have the power, superior, to enforc= e=20 the task list. In opensource you don't have it. It only depend on how we=20 respect each other. So it needs more personal approach rather than formal= =20 ways. About PN, yes, why they don't create two branches, one pn-bl and pn- encompass :) There will be no fork, because both concept has its own=20 strength points and qualified developers. Such as Windows95 and Win-NT4.0= :) > [...] > Good idea. But do you know that I am develop a module named "Todo"?=20 > [...] I tried the module, thats great!. This is also can become an added value = for=20 envo. Once you're ready, I hope we can use it for our intranet site. For the current purpose I already installed the phprojekt, so we can=20 organize all issue here in intranet site. Then we can use this mailing li= st=20 back to development purpose. sjah |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-05-26 07:51:00
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@sjah: [...] Yes, you're right, it needs managers to organize the groups task and keep the committed rules. However, in commercial hierarchy, you have the power, superior, to enforce the task list. In opensource you don't have it. It only depend on how we respect each other. So it needs more personal approach rather than formal ways. About PN, yes, why they don't create two branches, one pn-bl and pn- encompass :) There will be no fork, because both concept has its own strength points and qualified developers. Such as Windows95 and Win-NT4.0 :) [...] I agree. Maybe I'm to critically. But I think the project "eNvo" needs a better guidance to go the desired way. I know, that you can't predescribe anybody, what he has to do. Also you can't define a strictly timeframe for parts or the whole project as in commercial projects. But a Lead Developer has to manage and decide which is good for the core, which is an additionally function, 3rd-party, possible for the future or not needed. [...] I tried the module, thats great!. This is also can become an added value for envo. Once you're ready, I hope we can use it for our intranet site. For the current purpose I already installed the phprojekt, so we can organize all issue here in intranet site. Then we can use this mailing list back to development purpose. [...] Thanks. I have finished the ToDo-module near 90%. To show you parts of the functionality, I have recode some parts. But I think it would be ready this week. Then we can use it as eNvo-module on every site. You say, you have installed phproject on your intranet and want to use this mailing list for dev. purpose, this is good, but not enough. I mean, if a new developer enters eNvo.com and install the latest release on his server, maybe he find some parts useless or want to change something. Because he can't find any infos, which parts are under development and which person do what, it would be possible he starts with programming and think he do something new. But at same time other developer code the same. Not good. Also: Only members who are on the mailing list, can read this infos and results. So we need a complete actual (public) project status over all parts of eNvo. Nice features for that are: credits, envoDev, ToDo. WindMeUp |
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From: Arden W. <ar...@li...> - 2003-05-28 09:47:00
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>On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 10:53, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote: > We have to find our own motto and vision, for i.e. replace the motto in envo > main page, 'eNvolution is a PostNuke forking .. etc'. From marketing side, > this is not a 'selling' information :) I agree. Would be nice if something different could be added to the install routine for that. I've got a sample at http://envolution.linuxguru.ca/article1.html but now think that it need <li> added for Oracle support <li> etc... <li> etc... |
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-05-28 21:14:42
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Arden Wiebe wrote: >>On Fri, 2003-05-23 at 10:53, Sjahrazad Alamsjah wrote: >> >> > > > >>We have to find our own motto and vision, for i.e. replace the motto in envo >>main page, 'eNvolution is a PostNuke forking .. etc'. From marketing side, >>this is not a 'selling' information :) >> >> > > >I agree. Would be nice if something different could be added to the >install routine for that. I've got a sample at >http://envolution.linuxguru.ca/article1.html but now think that it need ><li> added for Oracle support ><li> etc... ><li> etc... > > > > > >------------------------------------------------------- >This SF.net email is sponsored by: ObjectStore. >If flattening out C++ or Java code to make your application fit in a >relational database is painful, don't do it! Check out ObjectStore. >Now part of Progress Software. http://www.objectstore.net/sourceforge >_______________________________________________ >Envolution-devel mailing list >Env...@li... >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > I translated that article to german. Now it's in CVS Thanks Adrden! ;-) -- mailto:chr...@t-... personal: http://www.christoph-schwaeppe.de CMS: http://www.envolution.de ICQ: 174676647 jabber gat...@am... |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-05-24 03:59:10
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On Fri, 23 May 2003 13:05:22 +0200, Stefan K=F6hler wrote: > Here are my points of organize structure we have to > do: > > First of all: Is the "Organization Structure" up-to-date ? > Read here:= http://www.envolution.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DSubjects&f= ile=3Dindex&req=3Dviewpage&pageid=3D25 > > I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core, > module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates= all other devs > and delegate things. Look into the document. The description= there is perfect. > Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and= a Local Lead > Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features > differs (users in USA need other features as users in > Germany). i agree .. who have time to be our Lead Develper ? > As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in > many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it= would be nice, if > we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads,= Weblinks, some > support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a= new upload on > eNvo.com. i don't agree with that, i already try with this features but not= work .... it not work because is too different for example Italian and english language, so sometimes some upload= are specifi for Italian users and is not good for other people. I think is better to have channel or mailing list dedicated to= all support sites, so all responsables can write in this mailing list all news, new download etc other responsable can= read it translate it and put in his download section. > > Where are all the developers? And who coded what? I > don't know it in details. I can't find any public (or= private) information > which will answers my questions. If I read "credits.txt" on= CVS, I can only > find two developers (Frank and me). Where are the others? And= I mean > developers, not designers, supporters, testers, etc. I agree .... i see also in PN they changed all credits visible= with credits module to last developer, and i think is correct to change it also for us, maybe i change it tomorrow,= because i think is correct to have public credit and contact about last developer work around module, block etc ..... > > The official roadmap is out of date. It was written last > year. This document has to be update on new status of the= actual eNvo-version. > There are a lot of code changed, modified, included in the= meantime. Possible > we need a new starting point. i agree we talk about it .. > > In parts it seems to me, that everybody do anything: > Developers do translations, Translators supports, Testers= fixes, and so on. > And nobody knows, what the other do. > > At this time the hole eNvo-team is small, but in the near > future, lot of people wanted to be members of the team. So we= need a > hirarchical structure for personal, positions, things todo= and complete > projects process. agree > > To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a > identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time,= the layout of > News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs.= Possible to > coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into= a secondary API, > which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as= the pnAPI). Here > we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps,= Select-Boxes, Colorpicker, > Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc. i agree ... and we need to write some code rules also > > We must distribute the project-tasks on several shoulders. It > is good for now, that TiMax, as Project Manager and Founder,= manages all and > hold his hands on it. But in the future it would be better to= split it off and > coordinate it in a strictly way. It is not possible to do= anything at same > time. I see it for eNvo.de and TiMax see it for eNvo.com and= eNvo.it It is > impossible for one person to code, support, discuss basics,= coordinate, > administrate, etc. for this kind of program eNvo is. If we= can change it, > everybody can concentrate his work on his primary tasks in= the > community. I agree ouffffffffff LOL > > A good idea is also, to initiate a periodical discussion > board on IRC. Possible to meat i.e. once a week, every 2nd= Thursday, once a > month; and splitted for development and support. > This are only some of my points of view. Possible > my opinion is too heavy-weight. Possible I'm too critical. But= I want to dicuss > my thoughts with all of you. I agree also > And remember: > This is not a flame. I don't want to critizise > single persons. The points above are fundamental problems I= see for the whole > project. I'm a developer who works the whole day (and= sometimes the whole night) > with eNvolution. In real life I'm software engineer fo a large= production > company in germany. The frontend of our intranet is= eNvolution. And I don't want > to change it to an other system. > > So, all what I do (now and in the future) is with > and for this great CVS. > > Stefan Koehler aka WindMeUp > s.k...@pr... > www.drachentasche.de > www.envolution.de > > +++ walking in the air > +++ Yes i know you are good boy and good developer LOL Timax |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-05-26 07:13:43
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@TiMax: [...] > I mean: For better developement of all parts of eNvo (core, > module, 3rd-party) we need a Lead Developer, who coordinates all other devs > and delegate things. Look into the document. The description there is perfect. > Also it would be a nice idea, to create local dev-teams (and a Local Lead > Developer). Because perhaps the priorities of eNvo-features > differs (users in USA need other features as users in > Germany). i agree .. who have time to be our Lead Develper ? [...] We have to talk about it. What do you think? [...] > As we can see on "eNvo network" we have many local sites in > many countries. All sites are authonom. This is OK. But it would be nice, if > we can link together some parts of eNvo, i.e. Downloads, Weblinks, some > support forum desks. So I can see on eNvo.de, if there is a new upload on > eNvo.com. i don't agree with that, i already try with this features but not work .... it not work because is too different for example Italian and english language, so sometimes some upload are specifi for Italian users and is not good for other people. I think is better to have channel or mailing list dedicated to all support sites, so all responsables can write in this mailing list all news, new download etc other responsable can read it translate it and put in his download section. [...] I agree. This is what I meant. I don't want to create a new overall database for this infos. I think it is enough to create blocks with Links in it, which lists all new entries of several sites. The idea of backend.php behind news is the way we can realize it. Because on eNvo.de there are some fixes/updates (i.e. Banners, RTE, users-system), which are not found on eNvo.com or eNvo.it (or vise versa). But it would be also interest for international users. So, which I would have to do, would be, to upload my fixes on all local sites (and have to update, if there would be changes). Crazy...... Other solution is, to upload all these files central on eNvo.com and announce it via backend-block. [...] I agree .... i see also in PN they changed all credits visible with credits module to last developer, and i think is correct to change it also for us, maybe i change it tomorrow, because i think is correct to have public credit and contact about last developer work around module, block etc ..... [...] Good idea. Do it. [...] > To produce a final version of eNvo (Version 1.3 ?) we need a > identical "look-and-feel" in all core modules. At this time, the layout of > News, Comments, Reviews, Downloads, Weblinks, etc. differs. Possible to > coordinate it. Also we can centralize some parts of code into a secondary API, > which will only load if modules needed (not every loadtime as the pnAPI). Here > we can include functions and programs i.e. PopUps, Select-Boxes, Colorpicker, > Imagepicker, DateTime-converter, etc. i agree ... and we need to write some code rules also [...] Yes. We need code rules. The module "template" is a good idea to begin a new module-project, but not enough. For module devs we need some more informations. For that, I think I start with a secondary API and include some public functions there, which can be used from several modules. For example, the colorpicker is a good starting point for sharing functionality all over eNvo-system. Then we can write a developer-guidance, which explains what functions there (in general and secondary API) and how to design the code to get a wellformed certified eNvo-module. WindMeUp |
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From: <Chr...@t-...> - 2003-05-24 05:22:28
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Hi all, I'm following the discussion and I like that we started it. I agree with Stefans points of view, like the other eNvos did for the most points also. Because I can take very little part to this discussion the next few days (journey until May, 28) I want to let You know, that I will continue to partizipate on eNvolution as a translator, supporter and/or coordinator. I believe in the power in eNvolution and it's team, anyhow we are still a small team, but it's growing (there are highly interested guys on eNvo.de) I agree that we need an organizational structure, which is a mix of political parties an hierarchical structure. Maybe we can start hierarchical and put more and more parts of "democracy" to it. I agree with Stefan, that we need some common databases (weblinks, downloads, memberlist...), maybe with some national categrories. I agree that we need a group- or taskware (I had have a look at ToDo-List at eNvo.de), regular chats, mailinglist for eNvo-coordinators etc. This in shortness because I have to leave this morning, that you know. I'm with you. Sorry for that I can't take part the next days. Christoph/gatoNero -- mailto:chr...@t-... personal: http://www.christoph-schwaeppe.de CMS: http://www.envolution.de ICQ: 174676647 jabber gat...@am... |
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