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From: Maxdev <ti...@ma...> - 2003-08-01 18:37:42
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Ok i m tired now and i try to resume in short mail the problems 1 i never ask to move all data very fast, i only ask to inform me who want= to continue very fast, in my mind all transfer take 7-10 days minimum 2 Zoom tell me he want to continue bla bla bla, i give he all administration= site, ftp, mysql, sourgeforge, domain name etc ..... so from 27-28 june= i don't have any control 3 The problem is contents of news so i resume very easy, how can new PM put= a news and talk about release 1.26 - 1.27 - 1.28 - 1.29 etc ..... when eNvolution staff have decided from over one month before to stop= 1.25FLS and start with 1.3 ?? Sure envo dev's can change roadmap, but only after a meeting and after PM= have talk with other dev's .... Why PM don't have waited to talk about these things ? What happen if in next meeting all dev's don't want to follow these steps ? = What think all people about new PM ? he write in one news ..... we make these steps bla bla bla ....... and after= meeting ...... PM rewrite another news to tell " sorry people my mistake,= we don't follow these steps " I little ridiculus also ..... What happen in in meeting no one dev's want to follow Xanthia dev ? or keep= Postnuke compatiblity ? I don't mean is right or not contents of news, i mean that, PM pus this news= without talk with all dev's, maybe i can agree all points this is the= problem. 4 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? where you are last year ? where you are when i ask lot of times in news, mailing list, private email = help for envolution.com site in english language ? 5 i read some news and i think someone if happy if i leave all in eNvo or if= i start new fork, please don't be ipocrit and talk clear, if someone want= that can tell that, np TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-01 19:03:59
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On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 13:37, Maxdev wrote: > Sure envo dev's can change roadmap, but only after a meeting and after PM have talk with other dev's .... > > Why PM don't have waited to talk about these things ? > I hear all this talk about waiting.....Waiting to change things is fine...thats what is happening...no changes have been made...as Ive said over and over again everythign is frozen until after the meeting tomorrow. > What happen if in next meeting all dev's don't want to follow these steps ? > What happens if they do? > What think all people about new PM ? > It's not a popularity contest Max. His ability and expertise in coding have nothing to do with popularity. Envolution needs a competant project manager and ApathyBoy is very competant. And unlike you and me other projects actually like him. > What happen in in meeting no one dev's want to follow Xanthia dev ? or keep Postnuke compatiblity ? > Quit spreading FUD Max. He said compatability with PostNuke and since they use Xanthia it means compatability with Xanthia as well. Development of Xanthia and PostNuke has nothing to do with Envolution development. > I don't mean is right or not contents of news, i mean that, PM pus this news without talk with all dev's, maybe i can agree all points this is the problem. > Evidently Max you have a problem wth the PM. All I can say is he is the PM so either accept it or buy a lot of aspirin. > 4 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? Cause maybe you jumped out! > where you are last year ? Do you have a problem with new people coming into Envolution? > where you are when i ask lot of times in news, mailing list, private email help for envolution.com site in english language ? > Shall I count the number of emails, article, and sories you asked me to translate for you. I've always helped you Max. And if you insist on anythign other than the tructh I can always post your emails to prove it. > 5 i read some news and i think someone if happy if i leave all in eNvo or if i start new fork, please don't be ipocrit and talk clear, if someone want that can tell that, np > > TiMax > You've already announced a fork Max....have fun with it and do what you want. Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-08-01 19:14:41
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On 01 Aug 2003 14:02:51 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: >=A0 =A0>=A0where you are when i ask lot of times in news, mailing list, private= email =A0help for envolution.com site in english language ? >=A0 =A0>=A0 > >=A0 =A0Shall I count the number of emails, article, and sories you asked me to >=A0 =A0translate for you. I've always helped you Max. And if you insist on >=A0 =A0anythign other than the tructh I can always post your emails to prove >=A0 =A0it. I don't talk about you Zoom, you still always here, and i have write also= lot of times to thank you about your help. =A0 =A0>=A05 i read some news and i think someone if happy if i leave all in eNvo= or if i start new fork, please don't be ipocrit and talk clear, if someone= want that can tell that, np >=A0 =A0>=A0 >=A0 =A0>=A0TiMax >=A0 =A0>=A0 > >=A0 =A0You've already announced a fork Max....have fun with it and do what you >=A0 =A0want. Oh yes ? when and where i have alreayd announced a fork ?????? Maybe you Dream a little ?? TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-01 19:21:59
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On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:13, TiMax wrote: > Oh yes ? when and where i have alreayd announced a fork ?????? > Maybe you Dream a little ?? > > TiMax > You posted to this list your MaxDev project announcemnt. And you posted a news article on envolution.com about it as well. Sounds like a fork to me. If you are planning to start from scratch and write a new system from the beginning then my apologies for useing the term "fork". Anyway....it's irrelivant now. Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-08-01 20:31:13
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Yes is irrilevant but is not a fork ..... fork of what ? Is a special, professional and personal developement Max On 01 Aug 2003 14:20:55 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: >=A0 =A0On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:13, TiMax wrote: > >=A0 =A0>=A0Oh yes ? =A0when and where i have alreayd announced a fork =A0?????? >=A0 =A0>=A0Maybe you Dream =A0a little ?? >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0TiMax >=A0 =A0> > >=A0 =A0You posted to this list your MaxDev project announcemnt. And you posted >=A0 =A0a news article on envolution.com about it as well. Sounds like a fork= to >=A0 =A0me. If you are planning to start from scratch and write a new system >=A0 =A0from the beginning then my apologies for useing the term "fork". > >=A0 =A0Anyway....it's irrelivant now. > >=A0 =A0Zoom > > >=A0 =A0------------------------------------------------------- >=A0 =A0This SF.Net email sponsored by: Free pre-built ASP.NET sites including >=A0 =A0Data Reports, E-commerce, Portals, and Forums are available now. >=A0 =A0Download today and enter to win an XBOX or Visual Studio .NET. >=A0= =A0http://aspnet.click-url.com/go/psa00100003ave/direct;at.aspnet_072303_01/0= 1 >=A0 =A0_______________________________________________ >=A0 =A0Envolution-devel mailing list >=A0 =A0E...@li... >=A0 =A0https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > >=A0 =A0__________ NOD32 1.471 (20030731) Information __________ > >=A0 =A0This message was checked by NOD32 Antivirus System. >=A0 =A0http://www.nod32.com |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-08-01 19:19:02
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On 01 Aug 2003 14:02:51 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: >=A0 =A0>=A04 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? > >=A0 =A0Cause maybe you jumped out! yes nice to see that i see " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed" happen very fast ........ TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-01 19:25:30
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On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:17, TiMax wrote: > On 01 Aug 2003 14:02:51 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: > > > > > 4 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? > > > > Cause maybe you jumped out! > > yes nice to see that > > i see > " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed" > > happen very fast ........ > > TiMax > I don't undertand Max....would you have rather he said something like "Max won't be missed...." ??????????? He paid you a very respectful comment that you are throwing back in his face! I am truely disappointed you would take a complement and twist it like that. Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-08-01 20:37:58
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On 01 Aug 2003 14:24:05 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: >=A0 =A0On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:17, TiMax wrote: >=A0 =A0>=A0On 01 Aug 2003 14:02:51 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0>=A0 =A0>=A04 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? >=A0 =A0>=A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0>=A0 =A0Cause maybe you jumped out! >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0yes nice to see that >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0i see >=A0 =A0>=A0" While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed" >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0happen very fast ........ >=A0 =A0> >=A0 =A0>=A0TiMax >=A0 =A0> > >=A0 =A0I don't undertand Max....would you have rather he said something like >=A0 =A0"Max won't be missed...." ??????????? > >=A0 =A0He paid you a very respectful comment that you are throwing back in his >=A0 =A0face! > >=A0 =A0I am truely disappointed you would take a complement and twist it like >=A0 =A0that. > >=A0 =A0Zoom Explain in another words what he mean with " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed " remember to explain that also to other people because all people have= understand same thing like me Max |
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From: Furbo <fu...@si...> - 2003-08-01 20:45:45
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Friday, August 1, 2003, 4:37:04 PM, TiMax wrote: > Explain in another words what he mean with > " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed " > remember to explain that also to other people because all people have understand same thing like me > Max " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed " what is meant is "sorry to see you step down as PM" "you did a good job and sorry that you are not going to be PM" it was meant as a compliment. NOT that you will be forgotten or anything.. hope that clarifies some -- Furbo Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -Pablo Picasso |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-08-02 02:35:25
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On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 15:37, TiMax wrote: > On 01 Aug 2003 14:24:05 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: > > On Fri, 2003-08-01 at 14:17, TiMax wrote: > > > On 01 Aug 2003 14:02:51 -0500, Scott Kindley wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > 4 nice to see old envo dev's to jump again here, why that ? > > > > > > > > Cause maybe you jumped out! > > > > > > yes nice to see that > > > > > > i see > > > " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed" > > > > > > happen very fast ........ > > > > > > TiMax > > > > > > > I don't undertand Max....would you have rather he said something like > > "Max won't be missed...." ??????????? > > > > He paid you a very respectful comment that you are throwing back in his > > face! > > > > I am truely disappointed you would take a complement and twist it like > > that. > > > > Zoom > > Explain in another words what he mean with > > " While TiMax's leadership and vision will surely be missed " > > remember to explain that also to other people because all people have understand same thing like me > > Max > Very simply Max he said you would be missed..you, your vision, and your leadership. It was a huge complement that ApathyBoy gave you. Yet in return you and your followers seem to crucify him before anything actually happens...you don't give him a chance...and you certainly didn't give him any support. I don't blame him for getting defensive. Zoom |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-08-02 21:08:03
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I submited this news in envolution.com, please to add it in home page,= thanks TiMax -------------------------- This short news is just to comunicate that I decided to go out from the= active developement of eNvolution and definitively from the eNvolution= project. I'm sorry to see that this eNvolution is not the one on with me and all the= staff were working on... our vision discussed and approved is now= cancelled... there wasn't respect of me, the staff and the all= management... nobody has considered our Lead Developer, Doc Manager, and= Support Manager... nobody asked all the staff members on what they were= working on, which goals they reached, what they thinked etc. etc. more than= this all non English people, mainly Italian, French and German were= immediately declassed. I'm sorry at this point eNvolution is not more the one on which I hardly= worked. I prefer to keep on my ideas and vision in my MaxDev project, working to= expand and improve eNvolution, PostNuke, Oscommerce and many other= softwares, to promote the Open Source even with commercial purposes, helped= on this by all the international Staff members in full agreement and with= real passion. I thank everybody sustained me with comments, mail, messages, etc. Regarding the eNvolution.it nothing is changed it will remain the Italian= support site with all the community growth around it. TiMax MaxDev Staff www.maxdev.com |
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