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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-06-05 06:21:42
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From: <Luc...@cs...> - 2003-06-05 06:51:48
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 07:49:47
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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 01:54, Luc...@cs... wrote:
> I saw the roadmap, but it's dated august 2002, i believe that to send a
> message that means 'we are alive and kicking' we need to update it also
> considering that maybe we are changing plans; besides we need to publish
> some planned dates, I know that it will be difficult to stick to these
> statement and respect these deadlins, but it gives the people the feeling
> that we work towards a goal.
> To silence people that worry about how 'big it they have', and confront the
> 2 community ("i've got more people than you ....") we could publish the
> roll of the developers with their role (we must admit they did it and it
> gives the appearance of an organized thing) we have a good explanation of
> the roles, but lack the roster of people, think it's the last 20% we need
> to complete the work.
> By
> L
>
I would disagree with publishing dates for releases. It turns out that
people will hold off from installing until the new release comes out
that has a feature or tool they personally want. It also means that if
we do not deliver on the date or before then criticism most certianly
folows becuase the date wasn't kept.
Many large open source projects and companies have policy to NOT publish
release dates for those very reasons. Debian and Red Hat are two off the
top of my head.
What DOES send a signal that we are alive and kicking is activity in the
forums ...OUR forums...and other sites forums where we consistantly talk
positivly about envolution and this fine community.
Frequent updates in news stories on development ideas and experiements
also are good at sending this message to both our community and to
visitors.
I am very please to see that some of our developers are jumping in the
forums and offering answers to end users....if each developer on this
list makes a presence in the forumss just one time each day then people
will KNOW we are active. This alone I believe will pay rewards to our
community by generating more participation from current members who are
inactive or from visitors who are curious.
As for updates to the road map I am not against that. As long as the
underlying principles of longer product life span and development cycle
are not comprimised.
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 08:03:39
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Ok Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of= explanation document are ready, you can read it here, http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can= publish it asap. Please suggest also title ..... TiMax |
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-06-05 11:43:13
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Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the excellent effort put into this document :) (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". Please review: http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html or download my Word Doc: http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM To: env...@li... Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision Ok Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation document are ready, you can read it here, http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish it asap. Please suggest also title ..... TiMax ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: <s.k...@pr...> - 2003-06-05 12:33:49
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@burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: Burke <bu...@di...> - 2003-06-05 13:17:24
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Oops, my bad -- I had named the file .htm -- there is now a .htm and a .html=20 -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Stefan K=F6hler Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:36 AM To: env...@li... Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision @burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 15:54:10
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We are sure about that ? >>The majority of the Postnuke developer core resigned and= continued development with their own version of >>a CMS based on Postnuke they call Xaraya. I m not sure ...... maybe we can remplace it with .. other Postnuke developers resigned and continued development= with their own version of >>a CMS based on Postnuke they call Xaraya. TiMax |
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From: Martin L. <ma...@ar...> - 2003-06-05 16:22:02
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Looks good to me. Regards Em ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision Oops, my bad -- I had named the file .htm -- there is now a .htm and a .html -----Original Message----- From: env...@li... [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of Stefan Köhler Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 8:36 AM To: env...@li... Subject: Re: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision @burke: Congratulations. Great work. I think TiMax can get it for publications. If all of you have finished finetuning (sorry, I can't help, I'm not a perfect english man) this document, we have to translate it to several languages, so all site admins and supporters can use it on locale boards. BTW: the HTML-link is dead. WindMeUp ----- Original Message ----- From: "Burke" <bu...@di...> To: <env...@li...> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > Absolutely nothing below is intended to put down or criticize the > excellent effort put into this document :) > (I certainly couldn't have started a document any better myself) > > I've gone over the document and made MANY revisions throughout and > cleaned up some of the grammar. One thing in particular that I focused > on was removing/changing the tone of the document. I found many > statements that would open up the statement to Flames. Rather than so > much focus being placed on Postnuke and ex-developers with grudges, I > massaged the document into just statements regarding "other projects". > > Also, to enforce the fact that we indeed are a community, I changed the > by-line from "TiMax" to "Sincerely, The Envolution Development Team". > > Please review: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.html > or download my Word Doc: > http://www.dimensionquest.net/who_is_envo.doc > > These URLS will only be valid during the course of this discussion. > > -----Original Message----- > From: env...@li... > [mailto:env...@li...] On Behalf Of TiMax > Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 4:05 AM > To: env...@li... > Subject: [Envolution-devel] who is envolution : revision > > Ok > Zoom just finish to decode my english language and proof of explanation > document are ready, you can read it > here, > > http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo.html > > Please feel free to submit your suggestion, comments so we can publish > it asap. > > Please suggest also title ..... > > TiMax > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel > > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best > thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features > you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. > _______________________________________________ > Envolution-devel mailing list > Env...@li... > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Etnus, makers of TotalView, The best thread debugger on the planet. Designed with thread debugging features you've never dreamed of, try TotalView 6 free at www.etnus.com. _______________________________________________ Envolution-devel mailing list Env...@li... https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/envolution-devel |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 16:51:45
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Ok you can read here http://www.envolution.com/who_is_envo2.html 2 revision of our who is envolution document TiMax |
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From: TiMax <ma...@em...> - 2003-06-05 18:09:02
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They have same idea to put document online ? very strange ......= lol http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=3Dmodload&name=3DNews&file=3Dar= ticle&sid=3D2426 TiMax |
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From: Scott K. <sc...@ki...> - 2003-06-05 18:15:12
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On Thu, 2003-06-05 at 12:33, TiMax wrote: > They have same idea to put document online ? very strange ...... lol > > http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2426 > > TiMax > Perhaps they are reading the email list! Zoom |
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