[E-devel] Feature-requesr: zooming symbols in the iconbox (like zooming in the pager)

[Florian Hanisch <florianhanisch@gm...>]

Hi,
it's the first time I'm using a mailing list so I hope do everything right  
& this is the right mailing-list.

I've got a suggestion for a new feature in E. It would be great if there  
would be a zooming-feature in the iconbox like in the pager.
When you move your mouse-pointer above a iconified app, the icon  
(snapshot, user application icon or Enlightenment icon) increases its size.
Wouldn't that be great?

Greetings, Florian

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Re: [E-devel] Simple sound effects

[Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster@ra...>]

On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 00:15:46 -0700 "<parse error>" <protocol.x@...>
babbled:

> Certainly raster. I find sound support a all to oftenly ignored aspect
> of destop manager and or window manager design. I come from a musical
> background and know for one that this sort of coding can get really
> ugly, mainly since it deals with not so small file types. I wonder
> what people would prefer in a sound daemon and or lib; fast loads via
> memory use, or slow load and little memory use?

In this day and age, I don't see any issue of doing something like decoding an
ogg encoded sample file "one the fly", but also maybe providing a decode sample
cache - ie 1Mb (or any Mb) of "previous decoded" pcm audio data, that avoids
re-decoding very often used audio data. You want to keep the samples on disk as
ogg/mp3 etc. imho you want more than just pumping out samples if an event
happens 0 being able to move the sound from left to right speaker as the window
is dragged across the screen from left to right for example.... but you need an
abstract mechanism to feed this kind of data to the sound sample "hooked" to the
event (the window move) and a way of relating on screen geometry to audio
parameters (left/right audio volume). (this is just an example). you also need
to be able to specify how to repeat a sample (loop, ping-pong etc.)... it gets
rather complex if you want to do it well :)

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[E-devel] Re: enlightenment-devel digest, Vol 1 #1619 - 6 msgs

[<parse error> <protocol.x@gm...>]

thanks /Kim. I to think there needs to be a user_defined.cfg of some
sort, that is read before a theme's *.cfgs are. This only makes sense.
Whether or not this is something that needs to be addressed right away
is up to the team. I personally think that it should be addressed
right away to lay some foundation for EFL developers and what they do
as per this hypothetical user_defined.cfg. At anyrate there are my two
cents ^_^

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>    3. Re: Simple sound effects (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
>    4. Re: OO fullscreen (Kim Woelders)
>    5. Re: OO fullscreen (=3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=3DF8sdal?=3D)
>    6. Re: OO fullscreen (Kim Woelders)
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 10:20:39 +0200
> From: Andreas Volz <lists@...>
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
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> Am Mon, 27 Sep 2004 18:55:56 +0200 schrieb Kim Woelders:
>=20
> > I suspect you are right that there are problems with applications
> > requesting fullscreen at startup.
> > Could you please specify exactly which problem you are trying to solve
> > and how I can reproduce it?
> >
> > Your patch will, however, in a number of cases not do what it should.
> > When E16 "fullscreens" an application it does (among other things)
> > - set border to borderless
> > - figure out what the fullscreen size and location should be, taking
> >    into account xinerama configuration (don't span xinerama screens)
> >    and (if enabled) struts, as e.g. in don't cover panel apps.
>=20
> There is still another problem with fullscreen mode. I've some "On Top"
> stacking windows (pager, iconbox...). If I fullscreen some applications
> (mplayer in X mode (sdl works), gthumb,...) the "On Top" windows are
> still on top. Perhaps E should set a fullcreen window automatic as the
> most "On Top" window. But this has also other problems. For example
> blender is a fullscreen window, but opens new normal windows. So if
> blender is "On Top" all new windows open "behind" it.
>=20
> Perhaps it's a solution if E changes all "On Top" windows to normal
> windows if one window has fullscreen and after fullscreen the windows
> get their "On Top" back. Perhaps it's a solution to make this
> configurable for users who like this?
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> Or should I write this topic in a bug report?
>=20
> regards
> Andreas
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> Message: 2
> From: joao.martins@...
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:14:57 -0600
> Subject: [E-devel] Simple sound effects
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> We don=EF=BF=BDt use a direct call to Jack and Alsa ??
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> []=EF=BF=BDs
> Jo=EF=BF=BDo Martins
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:58:45 +0900
> > From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster@...>
> > To: Bart Elberg <belberg@...>
> > Cc: enlightenment-devel@...
> > Subject: Re: [E-devel] Simple sound effects
> > Organization: You expect me to be organized?
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:06:24 -0400 Bart Elberg <belberg@...> =
babbled:
> >
> >> I am looking to add sound effects to an Edje-based application and
> >> noticed a lack of support in EFL for playing audio clips - other than
> >> Emotion. There are obviously many ways to do this and I have no proble=
m
> >> implementing a solution. My question is whether anyone is working on a
> >> simple audio library for EFL or planning on integrating sound effects
> >> into Edje, EWL, etc.?
> >
> > at this stage i know of no-one working on something. there's 3 parts of=
 an audio
> > "engine" to look at. 1. loading of formats (eg, mp3, ogg, wav, etc.) in=
 such a
> > way that its fairly abstract and the code doesn't care how its really e=
ncoded.
> > 2. is the audio device output handler - feeding the audio device cleanl=
y,
> > handling multiple audio devices, perhaps multiple opens for mixing etc.=
 3. is
> > the audio mixing and control engine. EG: you want to play a sample but =
have it
> > start fast and slow down in speed (and thus lower pitch) with a given e=
nvelope.
> > you may want to string a sequence of samples together. basically progra=
mmatic
> > sequencer or tracker (remember fasttracker2, protracker, soundtracker, =
etc.)
> >
> > http://www.metadecks.org/software/remix/
> >
> > kind of solves these. it looks a it complex - that's because it can do =
a lot.
> > imho with a bit of wrapping into EFL it should solve it entirely. the p=
roblem is
> > no-one has done anything to do stuff with sound yet. so for now it's a =
DIY area
> > that we haven't covered :(
> >
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> Message: 3
> Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:14:28 +0900
> From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster@...>
> To: joao.martins@...
> Cc: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Simple sound effects
> Organization: You expect me to be organized?
>=20
> currently we don't do ANYTHING at all. also not alsa cant do envelopes,
> guarantee mixing all the time (i may be wrong about this though), and it =
doest
> decode things like mp3, ogg etc.
>=20
> eventually we will add sound support to edje - it makes sense to be able =
to ship
> audio for the theme along with it. but this is a "sometime later" thing. =
also
> jack isnt that good for us as if we miss a mixing cycle we get kicked off=
 the
> jack system - and E is very loose with its scheduling to basically play c=
atchup
> and best fit to whats needed to be done.
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:05:36 +0200
> From: Kim Woelders <kim@...>
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
>=20
> Andreas Volz wrote:
> > There is still another problem with fullscreen mode. I've some "On
> > Top" stacking windows (pager, iconbox...). If I fullscreen some
> > applications (mplayer in X mode (sdl works), gthumb,...) the "On Top"
> > windows are still on top. Perhaps E should set a fullcreen window
> > automatic as the most "On Top" window. But this has also other
> > problems. For example blender is a fullscreen window, but opens new
> > normal windows. So if blender is "On Top" all new windows open
> > "behind" it.
> >
> Blender is actually not a fullscreen app in the sense that it does not
> use the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN hint but is a normal window requesting
> to be borderless and occupy the entire screen.
> Just an example of something that doesn't simplify the issue.
>=20
> > Perhaps it's a solution if E changes all "On Top" windows to normal
> > windows if one window has fullscreen and after fullscreen the windows
> >  get their "On Top" back. Perhaps it's a solution to make this
> > configurable for users who like this?
> >
> I don't like the princple that the appearance of one window changes
> stacking properties of other windows. That just seems wrong to me.
> We can have multiple fullscreen windows on separate areas/desktops,
> should the existence of those affect stacking on desktops without
> fullscreen windows? Should we restack when entering/leaving a view
> containg a fullscreen window? I think that would be messy.
>=20
> > Or should I write this topic in a bug report?
> >
> Feel free to file a bug report. However, I don't expect to change
> anything until somebody comes up with a really good plan on how to do
> this right.
>=20
> /Kim
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> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 21:56:27 +0200 (CEST)
> From: =3D?ISO-8859-1?Q?Andreas_R=3DF8sdal?=3D <andrearo@...>
> Cc: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
>=20
> On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, Kim Woelders wrote:
> > Andreas Volz wrote:
> > > There is still another problem with fullscreen mode. I've some "On
> > > Top" stacking windows (pager, iconbox...). If I fullscreen some
> > > applications (mplayer in X mode (sdl works), gthumb,...) the "On Top"
> > > windows are still on top. Perhaps E should set a fullcreen window
> > > automatic as the most "On Top" window. But this has also other
> > > problems. For example blender is a fullscreen window, but opens new
> > > normal windows. So if blender is "On Top" all new windows open
> > > "behind" it.
> > >
> > Blender is actually not a fullscreen app in the sense that it does not
> > use the _NET_WM_STATE_FULLSCREEN hint but is a normal window requesting
> > to be borderless and occupy the entire screen.
> > Just an example of something that doesn't simplify the issue.
> >
> > > Perhaps it's a solution if E changes all "On Top" windows to normal
> > > windows if one window has fullscreen and after fullscreen the windows
> > >  get their "On Top" back. Perhaps it's a solution to make this
> > > configurable for users who like this?
> > >
> > I don't like the princple that the appearance of one window changes
> > stacking properties of other windows. That just seems wrong to me.
> > We can have multiple fullscreen windows on separate areas/desktops,
> > should the existence of those affect stacking on desktops without
> > fullscreen windows? Should we restack when entering/leaving a view
> > containg a fullscreen window? I think that would be messy.
> >
> > > Or should I write this topic in a bug report?
> > >
> > Feel free to file a bug report. However, I don't expect to change
> > anything until somebody comes up with a really good plan on how to do
> > this right.
> >
> > /Kim
>=20
> I can confirm that this fullscreen behaviour is only in e16, Metacity
> handles the problems with "On top" and fullscreen windows "properly".
> There is bound to be problems if e16 continues to handle fullscreen
> windows slightly differently from other windows managers. For the sake of
> compability, this fullscreen windows behavior should be the same in e16 a=
s
> in Gnome's Metacity and the KDE's kwin. Or else, no one will want
> to use the fullscreen feature, because it will break on some systems.
> I've filed a couple of bug-reports on e16's fullscreen windows previously=
,
> maybe I can help by doing some testing or something?
>=20
> Andreas R=3DF8sdal
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> Message: 6
> Date: Fri, 01 Oct 2004 00:55:35 +0200
> From: Kim Woelders <kim@...>
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
>=20
> Andreas R=3DF8sdal wrote:
> > I can confirm that this fullscreen behaviour is only in e16, Metacity
> > handles the problems with "On top" and fullscreen windows "properly".
> > There is bound to be problems if e16 continues to handle fullscreen
> > windows slightly differently from other windows managers. For the sake =
=3D
> of
> > compability, this fullscreen windows behavior should be the same in e16=
=3D
>  as
> > in Gnome's Metacity and the KDE's kwin. Or else, no one will want
> > to use the fullscreen feature, because it will break on some systems.
> > I've filed a couple of bug-reports on e16's fullscreen windows previous=
=3D
> ly,
> > maybe I can help by doing some testing or something?
> >=3D20
> Allright then :)
> I have added an option to raise windows requesting fullscreen mode (in
> the "Window Placement Settings" dialog). That probably fixes some, but
> not all problems.
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> /Kim
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Re: [E-devel] Simple sound effects

[<parse error> <protocol.x@gm...>]

Certainly raster. I find sound support a all to oftenly ignored aspect
of destop manager and or window manager design. I come from a musical
background and know for one that this sort of coding can get really
ugly, mainly since it deals with not so small file types. I wonder
what people would prefer in a sound daemon and or lib; fast loads via
memory use, or slow load and little memory use?

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>    1. Re: OO fullscreen (Vadik Mironov)
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>    4. Simple sound effects (Bart Elberg)
>    5. Re: Simple sound effects (Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman))
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> From: Vadik Mironov <vadikmironoff@...>
> Reply-To: vadikmironoff@...
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 09:29:54 +0000
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> 28 =3DD1=3DE5=3DED=3DF2=3DFF=3DE1=3DF0=3DFC 2004 19:45, Kim Woelders =3DE=
D=3DE0=3DEF=3DE8=3DF1=3DE0=3DEB:
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> > >
> > > Here is the patch.
> >
> > OK, I never tried the F9 fullscreen mode, only the Ctrl-Shift-j one.
> > I have committed a fix, essentially calling EwinSetFullscreen().
> >
> > Thanks,
> > /Kim
> >
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> OK, but now there is another issue with OO. I found, that if there are so=
me=3D
> =3D20
> buttons on desktop, then they will be layd out over maximized window of O=
O.=3D
> =3D20
> Is this a bug or feature?
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> =3D2D-=3D20
> With best regards,
> Vadik Mironov                   =3D09
>                                         <vadikmironoff@...>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:25:45 +0200
> From: Kim Woelders <kim@...>
> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] OO fullscreen
>=20
> Vadik Mironov wrote:
> > OK, but now there is another issue with OO. I found, that if there are =
some
> > buttons on desktop, then they will be layd out over maximized window of=
 OO.
> > Is this a bug or feature?
> >
> Yes, it's a known bug/feature that (most) buttons are on-top.
> You can toggle them on/off with Ctrl-Alt-B.
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> /Kim
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> Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:13:14 -0300 (ART)
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> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: [E-devel] E-Biff
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> Helo team
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> epplet for enlightenment check pop3 server?
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> To: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: [E-devel] Simple sound effects
>=20
> I am looking to add sound effects to an Edje-based application and
> noticed a lack of support in EFL for playing audio clips - other than
> Emotion. There are obviously many ways to do this and I have no problem
> implementing a solution. My question is whether anyone is working on a
> simple audio library for EFL or planning on integrating sound effects
> into Edje, EWL, etc.?
>=20
> Thanks,
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2004 09:58:45 +0900
> From: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) <raster@...>
> To: Bart Elberg <belberg@...>
> Cc: enlightenment-devel@...
> Subject: Re: [E-devel] Simple sound effects
> Organization: You expect me to be organized?
>=20
> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 19:06:24 -0400 Bart Elberg <belberg@...> ba=
bbled:
>=20
> > I am looking to add sound effects to an Edje-based application and
> > noticed a lack of support in EFL for playing audio clips - other than
> > Emotion. There are obviously many ways to do this and I have no problem
> > implementing a solution. My question is whether anyone is working on a
> > simple audio library for EFL or planning on integrating sound effects
> > into Edje, EWL, etc.?
>=20
> at this stage i know of no-one working on something. there's 3 parts of a=
n audio
> "engine" to look at. 1. loading of formats (eg, mp3, ogg, wav, etc.) in s=
uch a
> way that its fairly abstract and the code doesn't care how its really enc=
oded.
> 2. is the audio device output handler - feeding the audio device cleanly,
> handling multiple audio devices, perhaps multiple opens for mixing etc. 3=
. is
> the audio mixing and control engine. EG: you want to play a sample but ha=
ve it
> start fast and slow down in speed (and thus lower pitch) with a given env=
elope.
> you may want to string a sequence of samples together. basically programm=
atic
> sequencer or tracker (remember fasttracker2, protracker, soundtracker, et=
c.)
>=20
> http://www.metadecks.org/software/remix/
>=20
> kind of solves these. it looks a it complex - that's because it can do a =
lot.
> imho with a bit of wrapping into EFL it should solve it entirely. the pro=
blem is
> no-one has done anything to do stuff with sound yet. so for now it's a DI=
Y area
> that we haven't covered :(
>=20
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