[Emacs-vr-mode-devel] Re: Questions about VR-Mode

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Hi Alain,

Yes, I saw the messages.  I was just too busy to reply until now.

I believe the arm of the differentiates the two streams just based on the=20
fact that one is opened after the other, but I really have never bothered=20
to find out.  Having two ports seems to make sense, the only thing is that=
=20
you have to port-forward two ports instead of one to get through the=20
firewall...

I'm interested in incorporating whatever improvements you can think of into=
=20
VR Mode.  Currently, I'm working on a redesign of the communication=20
protocol(it's in a branch on the CVS) in order to better handle=20
else-mode.  Basically, the problem occurs when the cursor is sitting in an=
=20
else placeholder, which Emacs will delete as soon as it receives keyboard=20
input, leading to loss of synchronization and funny spacing in the=20
buffer.  The way I was going to solve it was by sending change commands as=
=20
soon as an utterance starts, deleting the "volatile" text from the=20
NaturallySpeaking buffer, and then reinserting it when the utterance ends,=
=20
if it's still there.  Kind of clumsy, but it's the only way I could figure=
=20
out that solves the two problems above.  The price you pay is by having=20
"scratch that" become invalid, but with a good undo command that shouldn't=
=20
be too bad.

I don't know enough about how VoiceCoder is supposed to work to know if the=
=20
above will be an issue for you as well...

(By the way, didn't you write an Emacs undo command? (utterance mode?)  I=20
meant to send to a bug report about it hard-crashing my NT Emacs, but I=20
don't remember if actually did.)

/Patrik

01:27 PM 2/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:
>I just realised I sent those messages to VoiceCoder instead of to you
>directly. In case you
>missed them, I am sending an additional copy directly to you.
>
>Alain
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------=
-
>Oops, nevermind.
>
>I noticed that you do invoke open-network-stream when *host* is not *nil*.
>
>But now I'm puzzled by something else. In *vr-connect*, you open two=
 network
>streams. Looks like one is for Emacs to send commands to VR.exe and receive
>replies, the other is for VR.exe to send commands to Emacs and receive
>replies.
>But both network streams are opened on the same port! So how does VR.exe=
 know
>
>which of the two connections is for what? In VoiceCode, I use different=
 ports
>
>for the two connections.
>
>I'm reading the vr.el code carefully this morning and it looks like I=
 should
>be
>able to use it for VoiceCode with only minor surgery.
>
>Basically, I'm planning to make all the message interpretation part of the
>system configurable. This is necesssary because the messages that VoiceCode
>needs to send to Emacs seem to be a superset of what vr-mode currently
>handles.
>Also, VoiceCode uses a more flexible XML-based messaging protocol.
>
>I think this change might make vr-mode more flexible, and able to connect
>with
>other specialised voice addins besides VR.exe and VoiceCode. If you think
>this
>is worth including in the main version of vr-mode, I can send you a more
>detailed plan of what I want to do once I have it, and you can comment on=
 it.
>
>Thx
>
>Alain
>
>Alain D=E9silets wrote:
>
> > I'm looking at vr-mode.el and am a bit puzzled by something.
> >
> > The readme file says that vr-mode can be used over a network. But in
>vr-mode
> > function, you connect to vr.exe by starting a process on the local=
 machine.
>
> >
> > How does that end up connecting over the network? Is it just that=
 vr.exe,
> > when invoked with a host name will connect to an instance of vr.exe=
 that's
> > listening on that host?
> >
> > If so, wouldn't it make more sense for Emacs to connect directly to the
> > remote vr.exe  by invoking network-connection function?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > shane_3m wrote:
> >
> > > that would be me... :-)
> > >
> > > And yes, it is open source, at emacs-vr-mode.sourceForge.net
> > >
> > > Take what you can!  :-)
> > >
> > > /Patrik
> > >
> > > --- In VoiceCoder@y..., Alain D=E9silets <alain.desilets@n...> wrote:
> > > > I am just about to start working on connecting VoiceCode to Emacs
> > > and
> > > > thought I would use vr-mode.el as a starting point.
> > > >
> > > > Was VR-mode made OpenSource in the end? Who is maintaining it these
> > > > days?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Alain D=E9silets
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>Oops, nevermind.
>
>I noticed that you do invoke open-network-stream when *host* is not *nil*.
>
>But now I'm puzzled by something else. In *vr-connect*, you open two=
 network
>streams. Looks like one is for Emacs to send commands to VR.exe and receive
>replies, the other is for VR.exe to send commands to Emacs and receive=20
>replies.
>But both network streams are opened on the same port! So how does VR.exe=
 know
>which of the two connections is for what? In VoiceCode, I use different=
 ports
>for the two connections.
>
>I'm reading the vr.el code carefully this morning and it looks like I=20
>should be
>able to use it for VoiceCode with only minor surgery.
>
>Basically, I'm planning to make all the message interpretation part of the
>system configurable. This is necesssary because the messages that VoiceCode
>needs to send to Emacs seem to be a superset of what vr-mode currently=20
>handles.
>Also, VoiceCode uses a more flexible XML-based messaging protocol.
>
>I think this change might make vr-mode more flexible, and able to connect=
 with
>other specialised voice addins besides VR.exe and VoiceCode. If you think=
 this
>is worth including in the main version of vr-mode, I can send you a more
>detailed plan of what I want to do once I have it, and you can comment on=
 it.
>
>Thx
>
>Alain
>
>Alain D=E9silets wrote:
>
> > I'm looking at vr-mode.el and am a bit puzzled by something.
> >
> > The readme file says that vr-mode can be used over a network. But in=20
> vr-mode
> > function, you connect to vr.exe by starting a process on the local=
 machine.
> >
> > How does that end up connecting over the network? Is it just that=
 vr.exe,
> > when invoked with a host name will connect to an instance of vr.exe=
 that's
> > listening on that host?
> >
> > If so, wouldn't it make more sense for Emacs to connect directly to the
> > remote vr.exe  by invoking network-connection function?
> >
> > Thx
> >
> > Alain
> >
> > shane_3m wrote:
> >
> > > that would be me... :-)
> > >
> > > And yes, it is open source, at emacs-vr-mode.sourceForge.net
> > >
> > > Take what you can!  :-)
> > >
> > > /Patrik
> > >
> > > --- In VoiceCoder@y..., Alain D=E9silets <alain.desilets@n...> wrote:
> > > > I am just about to start working on connecting VoiceCode to Emacs
> > > and
> > > > thought I would use vr-mode.el as a starting point.
> > > >
> > > > Was VR-mode made OpenSource in the end? Who is maintaining it these
> > > > days?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > Alain D=E9silets
> > >
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> > Alain D=E9silets
> >
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> >
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Department of Astronomy & Astrophysics
University of California, Santa Cruz, CA 95064

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