Re: [Eclass-users] New EClass.Builder 2.5b4 available for download

[BJ C. <ca...@tu...>]

Hi Kevino,

I copied the List as I think I am asking questions/facing problems other may
be going through.

Ok, I got what you are saying...I use themes instead of templates. Within
the themes, I can place/change my templates. What happens if I want to use
more than one template per theme, say one for class pages and one for
quizzes? Would I need to edit the python file, to make quizzes use something
different than the default.tpl template?

Also, I don't think my theme manager is working correctly. I have switched
templates (to no frames) and published and nothing is different, I still get
the original theme. Ideas?

Thanks,

BJ


William 'BJ' Cameron
Payson Center
Tulane University
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Ollivier" <ke...@tu...>
To: "BJ Cameron" <ca...@tu...>
Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Eclass-users] New EClass.Builder 2.5b4 available for download


> Hi BJ,
>
> It looks like you are making changes that you want to appear on all
> pages. (i.e. changing the page background graphic, or adding links that
> appear on all pages) In the new version, themes might be more
> appropriate for this kind of customization. Have you checked the
> documentation on themes in the Help file? The info you're looking for
> would be in "Advanced Options->Working with Themes".
>
> Let me know if this is of any help.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kevin
>
> On Mar 18, 2004, at 1:21 PM, BJ Cameron wrote:
>
> > Hi Kevino,
> >
> > Basically, I was using templates to customize the EClass pages.
> >
> > In some cases, I was putting a background graphic, others I was
> > including my
> > own buttons and features.
> > For example
> > I did this with templates:
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > BJ
> >
> > William 'BJ' Cameron
> > Payson Center
> > Tulane University
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Ollivier" <ke...@tu...>
> > To: "BJ Cameron" <ca...@tu...>
> > Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Eclass-users] New EClass.Builder 2.5b4 available for
> > download
> >
> >
> >> Hi BJ,
> >>
> >> Just for some more info, what were you planning on doing using the
> >> templates feature? The more I look at them, the more I realize the
> >> current implementation is seriously broken. Also, I'll need to support
> >> a much more complex template language than what EClass currently
> >> supports to make templates work as I see them working. So I wanted to
> >> ask you what you are trying to do with them, so that I can get an idea
> >> of what direction I should go in with this.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Kevin
> >>
> >> On Mar 18, 2004, at 9:44 AM, BJ Cameron wrote:
> >>
> >>> Answers below in bold.
> >>>
> >>> William 'BJ' Cameron
> >>> Payson Center
> >>> Tulane University
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  From: "Kevin Ollivier" <ke...@tu...>
> >>> To: "BJ Cameron" <ca...@tu...>
> >>> Cc: <ecl...@li...>; "Bill Bertrand"
> >>> <web...@cs...>; <Hju...@cs...>
> >>> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:19 PM
> >>> Subject: Re: [Eclass-users] New EClass.Builder 2.5b4 available for
> >>> download
> >>>
> >>>> Hi BJ,
> >>>>
> >>>> On Mar 18, 2004, at 8:35 AM, BJ Cameron wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Kevino,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A few issues/suggestions/problems I have with 2.5b4.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I have not been able to get system preferences to open. (win2k
> >>> machine)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the tutorial, you need to explain the difference between
> >>> templates
> >>>>> and
> >>>>> themes. I think I understand the difference as a theme is an
> >>>>> overarching
> >>>>> project layout, while a template is a page design. True?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, the idea is that Themes control the overall look and feel of
> >>> your
> >>>> EClass, like FrontPage's borders and Dreamweaver's "templates" (yes,
> >>>> I'd consider them a theme instead). Any change you make to a theme
> >>>> changes the look of the entire EClass. EClass's "templates" are at
> >>> this
> >>>> point specifically for the EClass Page format, so that you can
> >>>> change
> >>>> where the video appears, audio appears, etc. This wouldn't affect
> >>>> the
> >>>> layout for the entire course, just that page.
> >>>>
> >>>>> When I open page properties, I can only choose the default
> >>> template, I
> >>>>> have
> >>>>> others in the template directory. I would like to be able to
> >>>>> choose others from there without
> >>>>> renaming it to default every time..
> >>>>
> >>>> OK, there are obviously some bugs here and I need to test some more.
> >>>> I'll try to get a fix in for the final release of b4.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Under the Help menu, in the About section, you should list the
> >>> version
> >>>>> of
> >>>>> Eclass.
> >>>>
> >>>> Will do.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Is there a compatibility problem with previous versions of Eclass?
> >>> If
> >>>>> so, you
> >>>>> need some explanation on how to import them, or what files to
> >>> delete
> >>>>> to use
> >>>>> them with the new version.
> >>>>
> >>>> There is not to my knowledge any compatibility problems with older
> >>>> versions.
> >>>
> >>> Ok, the problem here I think was the Template issue and the Karrigell
> >>> issue mentioned below, just didn't realize it at the time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> I just tried the Karrigell.exe file on an eclass created in 2.5b4
> >>> and
> >>>>> it
> >>>>> ran. However, it couldn't display the page. I ran the index.htm
> >>> file
> >>>>> separately, it has problems displaying the top left frame
> >>> (menu.htm)
> >>>>> and the
> >>>>> bottom left frame (menucntrl.htm) The main Frame shows up fine.
> >>> After I
> >>>>> copied them in(from a previous Version), it worked. However the
> >>> menu
> >>>>> graphics were gone, I then copied them in. Everything appeared,
> >>> but the
> >>>>> Karrigell
> >>>>
> >>>> Is this a new EClass? Did you run the Export to CD function? If not,
> >>>> that would explain the missing files...
> >>>
> >>> This was a new Eclass
> >>>>
> >>>> (However, this points out an issue I should fix - you should be
> >>>> asked
> >>>> to pick a theme when a new EClass is created, so that EClass copies
> >>> all
> >>>> the theme files over when you start building your EClass.)
> >>>>
> >>>>> ---Little bit later---
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I figured out the problem with the Karrigell.exe file. I opened it
> >>> up
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> notepad and noticed it points to index.html. Eclass builder uses
> >>>>> index.htm.
> >>>>> It is funny and very frustrating how a single character can screw
> >>> you
> >>>>> up. It works fine after I rename the index file.
> >>>>
> >>>> !? You're right, I can't believe I missed this. Will be fixed in the
> >>>> final release of b4.
> >>>>
> >>>>> The search function does not work...neither search.py nor
> >>> search.exe.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'll take a look at this.
> >>>>
> >>>>> When I added text to a page, it did not display even after I
> >>>>> published. I open the page to edit it, and it is there, so it saved
> >>>>> the setting, it just doesn't output. Same thing happens with
> >>>>> Audio/video/image.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ---Little bit later, again----
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The problem with the displaying of the text/image/audio/video is
> >>> the
> >>>>> template. I copied and renamed an old one to default.tpl and it
> >>> worked
> >>>>> fine and everything showed up.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is it the template that came with EClass.Builder that wasn't
> >>>> working,
> >>>> or one that you created?
> >>> The Template that came with 2.5b4 did not work, but others including
> >>> ones I have created solved the problem.
> >>>>
> >>>>> I guess that is enough for now. I have uploaded the errlog.txt to
> >>>>> http://payson.tulane.edu/staff/bjcameron/errlog.txt
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks!!
> >>>>
> >>>> Kevin
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Let me know when you get a new version and I will be happy to keep
> >>> testing.
> >>>
> >>> BJ
> >>
> >>
> >
>