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  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-06

    Hola, soy Leo Peiro y estoy intentando poner en marcha una pequeña estación de detección de meteoros con Echoes, un equipo basado en los chips R820T2 + RTL2832U y una antena para 144 Mhz que fabriqué yo mismo y que he instalado sobre el muro de mi casa a unos 6 mts de altura. Vivo en Tres Cantos (Madrid-España).
    Ahora en este punto es cuando necesito ayuda, ya que no obtengo los resultados que esperaba.
    ¿Cual es la mejor polarización de antena? ¿Horizontal o Vertical?
    ¿Y la orientación de la antena? ¿N,S,E,W? ¿Grados de elevación?

    Además, tengo un problema. Cuando pongo en marcha Echores en modo automático, parace que todo va bien; pero cuando dejo el programa tabajando sin hacer nada más con ordenador... cuando ha pasado un tiempo se para el sistema. ¿qué puede ser? El equipo no está en ahorro energía ni nada similar.

    Gracias por vuestras respuestas

     
    • gmbertani

      gmbertani - 2020-06-07

      Hi Leo,

      1-Polarization: in my experience, my life didn't change when I decided -
      following the suggestions of other OMs - to change the polarization of
      my yagi from horizontal to vertical. But many says vertical it's better
      because the Graves receiver too uses vertical-polarized dipoles so this
      is also my suggestion for you.

      I live in a place between two airports (LIN + BGY) and the 143.050 band
      is often disturbed by various annoying artificial emissions, so might be
      that the benefit in my case is vanified by these disturbances.

      2- Looking at the figures 3 and 4 at page 99 of this document
      https://fas.org/spp/military/program/track/graves.pdf
      you should point your antenna toward SE - ESE and high elevation ( >
      70°).  A friend of mine with a station located between Rome and Naples -
      more or less
      your same latitude - is using  2 yagis pointed to the zenith (90°
      elevation).

      3-Echoes stops the acquisition automatically if it finds a problem
      reading data from the dongle. In this case below the (Start/stop) button
      you should see
      the message "RTLSDR acquisition fault".

      This happens sometimes to me too, and is due to an unstable USB
      connection. My dongle is a Nongles+ box placed 1mt from the PC and
      connected thru a USB cable and even if the dongle is never touched,
      sometimes after days of acquisition it stops with acquisition fault. I
      unplug and replug the cable in the dongle again and everything restart
      working for other x days...  I think it's a quality problem of USB
      connection that I experienced also with other USB devices - like hard
      disks that connect/disconnect easily simply moving them (!!!).  If you
      have the dongle plugged directly into PC, try to use a cable between
      them to see if the coupling quality improves. Or if you already have a
      cable, try to plug it directly without it and experiment until you find
      the problem.

      BTW, if this is the problem, you should experience the same problem
      running another RTLSDR spectrogram program than Echoes.

      Sincerely

      Giuseppe

      Il 06/06/2020 15:54, LEONCIO PEIRO ha scritto:

      Hola, soy Leo Peiro y estoy intentando poner en marcha una pequeña
      estación de detección de meteoros con Echoes, un equipo basado en los
      chips R820T2 + RTL2832U y una antena para 144 Mhz que fabriqué yo
      mismo y que he instalado sobre el muro de mi casa a unos 6 mts de
      altura. Vivo en Tres Cantos (Madrid-España).
      Ahora en este punto es cuando necesito ayuda, ya que no obtengo los
      resultados que esperaba.
      ¿Cual es la mejor polarización de antena? ¿Horizontal o Vertical?
      ¿Y la orientación de la antena? ¿N,S,E,W? ¿Grados de elevación?

      Además, tengo un problema. Cuando pongo en marcha Echores en modo
      automático, parace que todo va bien; pero cuando dejo el programa
      tabajando sin hacer nada más con ordenador... cuando ha pasado un
      tiempo se para el sistema. ¿qué puede ser? El equipo no está en ahorro
      energía ni nada similar.

      Gracias por vuestras respuestas


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  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-07

    Hi Giuseppe
    Thank you very much for your kind and extensive responses.
    Today I will modify the orientation of my antenna to see if I have more luck with the meteorite record. I will report the results in the forum.
    Regarding the stability of the USB port, when the system is connected and starts working, this message always appears in the Work Console:


    Record level: 4Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner
    [R82XX] PLL not blocked!
    Found tuner Rafael Micro R820T
    The exact sampling rate is: 250000,000414 Hz
    [R82XX] PLL not blocked!


    Why does it say "[R82XX] PLL not blocked"? This is correct?
    My drives are properly installed with zadig-2.5.exe

    Thanks again for your responses.
    Leo Peiro

     
    • gmbertani

      gmbertani - 2020-06-07

      yes, it's normal, don't care of it. It's a temporary message coming from
      rtlsdr library while the initialization is in progress. It is not
      related to USB issues.

      Giuseppe

      Il 07/06/2020 17:36, LEONCIO PEIRO ha scritto:

      Hi Giuseppe
      Thank you very much for your kind and extensive responses.
      Today I will modify the orientation of my antenna to see if I have
      more luck with the meteorite record. I will report the results in the
      forum.
      Regarding the stability of the USB port, when the system is connected
      and starts working, this message always appears in the Work Console:


      Record level: 4Found Rafael Micro R820T tuner
      [R82XX] PLL not blocked!
      Found tuner Rafael Micro R820T
      The exact sampling rate is: 250000,000414 Hz
      [R82XX] PLL not blocked!


      Why does it say "[R82XX] PLL not blocked"? This is correct?
      My drives are properly installed with zadig-2.5.exe

      Thanks again for your responses.
      Leo Peiro


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  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-07

    Okay. Thank you
    Sincerely
    Leo Peiro

     
  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-09

    Hello again. I would like to have your opinion again.
    I'm heartbroken. In 48 hours of recording, I have not been able to capture any meteor signals, despite believing that I have installed my equipment correctly.
    Following your advice, I oriented my 3-element Yagi antenna (143,050 Mhz) to ESE (130º) and an elevation of approximately 75º.
    I configured Echoe as the attached pictures show.
    I appreciate any comments that may help.
    Thank you


    [Device%20settings]
    Device=0: Generic RTL2832U SN: 77771111153705700
    SampleRate=250000
    Tune=143050000
    Gain=445
    PpmError=2.5

    [FFT%20settings]
    FFTwindow=0
    SamplingInterval=35
    IQbufferSize=100
    Resolution=3.814697265625
    FFTflags=64

    [Output%20settings]
    MaxShots=5000
    RecordingTime=20
    ShotsAfter=20
    ShotUpThreshold=14
    ShotDnThreshold=10
    ShotFrequencyRange=40
    GenerateGNUplot=2
    MinFree=1
    PlotType=1
    AveragedScans=10
    JoinTime=4500
    GnuPlotPalette="-130 \"#000000\", -118 \"#0000ff\", -100 \"#800080\", -82 \"#ffa500\", -64 \"#ffff00\", -46 \"#ffffff\", 50 \"#ffffff\""

    [Report%20settings]
    CoverFrom=@Variant(\0\0\0\xe\0%\x85z)
    CoverTo=@Variant(\0\0\0\xe\0%\x85\x97)
    UnderdenseBelowMs=1000
    OverdenseBelowSec=50
    ColorGraph=0
    SiteInfos=2
    OverdenseShots=2
    UnderdenseShots=2
    OverdensePlots=2
    UnderdensePlots=2
    ShotsDetails=2
    SummaryTable=2
    AcqRestart=2
    AutoReport=0
    CarrierFilter=2
    LightingsFilter=2

    [Preferences]
    WaterfallSecTickMarks=2
    WaterfallHzTickMarks=2
    PowergraphDbmTickMarks=2
    TooltipsShown=2
    EnablePing=2
    ThresholdsBehavior=0
    EraseLogs=0
    EraseShots=0
    DataLasting=10

    [Site%20infos]
    StationLogo=:/icon128
    Latitude=4.5963000000000003
    Longitude=-3.7517
    StationName=LeoPeiro
    Contact=leopeiro58@yahoo.es
    RxSetup=who knows
    Notes=Aprendiendo y compartiendo
    Altitude=725

    [Waterfall%20settings]
    WaterfallBandwidth=3000
    WaterfallOffset=0
    WaterfallBrightness=80
    WaterfallContrast=68
    WaterfallPowerZoom=3
    WaterfallPowerOffset=-98

    [Notch%20filters]
    Notches\size=0



    Hola de nuevo. Me gustaría tener tu opinión nuevamente.
    Tengo el corazón partido. En 48 horas de grabación, no he podido capturar ninguna señal de meteorito, a pesar de creer que he instalado mi equipo correctamente.
    Siguiendo su consejo, orienté mi antena Yagi de 3 elementos (143.050 Mhz) a ESE (130º) y una elevación de aproximadamente 75º.
    Configuré Echoe como muestran las imágenes adjuntas:

    Agradezco cualquier comentario que pueda ayudar.
    Gracias

     
    • gmbertani

      gmbertani - 2020-06-09

      Hi Leoncio,

      my advice is do not start with automatic acquisition. Try periodic
      acquisition first. Look at the waterfall and start acquisition to see
      how much time it takes
      to fill up the screen and set that time (or some seconds less) as
      Recording Time. In your case you set 20 seconds and I guess it's ok for you.

      Then set zero as ShotUpThreshold in order to disable automatic
      acquisition.  Disable gnuplot generation too, to save disk space.
      For the tune is better to shift up or down by some khz, let's say +10khz
      (143.060) and set the offset to -10kHz instead of tuning exactly the
      Graves.

      This because the tuned frequency matches with the DC portion of the
      Fourier's transform. Since Echoes masks that value (overwriting in with
      the N value) the resulting meteor echoes would look cutted in the middle
      with a line of pixels.

      So, after starting acquisition and made it run along the night, the
      morning after you'll have a bunch of screenshots to look at in search of
      echoes.  If you can find some, the next step will be to set the correct
      thresholds and timings for automatic acquisition.

      If not, there should be some other problem than Echoes settings.

      Good Luck

      Giuseppe

      Check how much time it takes

      Il 09/06/2020 19:05, LEONCIO PEIRO ha scritto:

      Hello again. I would like to have your opinion again.
      I'm heartbroken. In 48 hours of recording, I have not been able to
      capture any meteor signals, despite believing that I have installed my
      equipment correctly.
      Following your advice, I oriented my 3-element Yagi antenna (143,050
      Mhz) to ESE (130º) and an elevation of approximately 75º.
      I configured Echoe as the attached pictures show.
      I appreciate any comments that may help.
      Thank you


      [Device%20settings]
      Device=0: Generic RTL2832U SN: 77771111153705700
      SampleRate=250000
      Tune=143050000
      Gain=445
      PpmError=2.5

      [FFT%20settings]
      FFTwindow=0
      SamplingInterval=35
      IQbufferSize=100
      Resolution=3.814697265625
      FFTflags=64

      [Output%20settings]
      MaxShots=5000
      RecordingTime=20
      ShotsAfter=20
      ShotUpThreshold=14
      ShotDnThreshold=10
      ShotFrequencyRange=40
      GenerateGNUplot=2
      MinFree=1
      PlotType=1
      AveragedScans=10
      JoinTime=4500
      GnuPlotPalette="-130 \"#000000\", -118 \"#0000ff\", -100 \"#800080\",
      -82 \"#ffa500\", -64 \"#ffff00\", -46 \"#ffffff\", 50 \"#ffffff\""

      [Report%20settings]
      CoverFrom=@Variant(\0\0\0\xe\0%\x85z)
      CoverTo=@Variant(\0\0\0\xe\0%\x85\x97)
      UnderdenseBelowMs=1000
      OverdenseBelowSec=50
      ColorGraph=0
      SiteInfos=2
      OverdenseShots=2
      UnderdenseShots=2
      OverdensePlots=2
      UnderdensePlots=2
      ShotsDetails=2
      SummaryTable=2
      AcqRestart=2
      AutoReport=0
      CarrierFilter=2
      LightingsFilter=2

      [Preferences]
      WaterfallSecTickMarks=2
      WaterfallHzTickMarks=2
      PowergraphDbmTickMarks=2
      TooltipsShown=2
      EnablePing=2
      ThresholdsBehavior=0
      EraseLogs=0
      EraseShots=0
      DataLasting=10

      [Site%20infos]
      StationLogo=:/icon128
      Latitude=4.5963000000000003
      Longitude=-3.7517
      StationName=LeoPeiro
      Contact=leopeiro58@yahoo.es
      RxSetup=who knows
      Notes=Aprendiendo y compartiendo
      Altitude=725

      [Waterfall%20settings]
      WaterfallBandwidth=3000
      WaterfallOffset=0
      WaterfallBrightness=80
      WaterfallContrast=68
      WaterfallPowerZoom=3
      WaterfallPowerOffset=-98

      [Notch%20filters]
      Notches\size=0

      ------------------------------------------------------------------------

      Hola de nuevo. Me gustaría tener tu opinión nuevamente.
      Tengo el corazón partido. En 48 horas de grabación, no he podido
      capturar ninguna señal de meteorito, a pesar de creer que he instalado
      mi equipo correctamente.
      Siguiendo su consejo, orienté mi antena Yagi de 3 elementos (143.050
      Mhz) a ESE (130º) y una elevación de aproximadamente 75º.
      Configuré Echoe como muestran las imágenes adjuntas:

      Agradezco cualquier comentario que pueda ayudar.
      Gracias


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  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-17

    Hi and thanks
    Following her advice, I oriented the antenna and gave it the proper elevation.
    I already record echoes. Thanks again.
    Now I would like to have a good understanding of how reports are managed. Are there documents that expand the information? With the manual it is not very clear to me.
    I see the graphs and the data tables; but i can't create a full report ... what am i doing wrong?
    I will appreciate any help.
    Leo Peiro


    Hola y gracias
    Siguiendo su consejo, orienté la antena y le di la elevación adecuada.
    Ya grabo ecos. Gracias de nuevo.
    Ahora me gustaría tener una buena comprensión de cómo se gestionan los informes. ¿Hay documentos que amplíen la información? Con el manual no me queda muy claro.
    Veo los gráficos y las tablas de datos; pero no puedo crear un informe completo ... ¿qué estoy haciendo mal?
    Agradeceré cualquier ayuda.

     
    • gmbertani

      gmbertani - 2020-06-17

      Hi Leo

      I cannot rewrite a manual chapter in a mail message, it would be
      senseless.  If you can't understand what I wrote in the manual (it took
      me many days to write it) you'll understand ever less if I try to
      explain again in a mail. It's always me writing :) !

      I can help you if you can't understand specific parts of it, asking
      focused questions.

      Keep present that tThe HTML report needs at least an entire day of data
      stored in the archive.  It works only in automatic mode, that means you
      must run in automatic mode your station for days, avoiding to touch it
      or altering the parameters.

      So you need to find a stable setup for your station first, and then make
      it run for some days before trying to generate the report.

      Cordially

      Giuseppe

      Il 17/06/2020 19:21, LEONCIO PEIRO ha scritto:

      Hi and thanks
      Following her advice, I oriented the antenna and gave it the proper elevation.
      I already record echoes. Thanks again.
      Now I would like to have a good understanding of how reports are managed. Are there documents that expand the information? With the manual it is not very clear to me.
      I see the graphs and the data tables; but i can't create a full report ... what am i doing wrong?
      I will appreciate any help.
      Leo Peiro


      Hola y gracias
      Siguiendo su consejo, orienté la antena y le di la elevación adecuada.
      Ya grabo ecos. Gracias de nuevo.
      Ahora me gustaría tener una buena comprensión de cómo se gestionan los informes. ¿Hay documentos que amplíen la información? Con el manual no me queda muy claro.
      Veo los gráficos y las tablas de datos; pero no puedo crear un informe completo ... ¿qué estoy haciendo mal?
      Agradeceré cualquier ayuda.


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  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-18

    Hi Giuseppe
    Good. Thank you.
    I will try to keep the station running continuously for several days.
    Thanks again

    Leo

     
  • LEONCIO PEIRO

    LEONCIO PEIRO - 2020-06-28

    Hello good day
    How do I have to configure Echoes to get them to function for a full 1 month and acquire the data to create the report?
    I don't get it. When it reaches 00:00 UTC it stops and does not restart. When I look at it in the morning it is stopped.
    I see that if we click on the "Generate Report" option, the system starts up and enters "Starting Adquisition" mode. Does this have any special function?
    Sorry for my insistence; but I would like to be prepared for the "Perseids"
    Thank you. Greetings,
    Leo


    Hola, buenos días
    ¿Cómo debo configurar Echoes para que funcionen durante 1 mes completo y que genere el informe completo al finalizar?
    No lo entiendo Cuando llega a las 00:00 UTC, se detiene y no se reinicia. Cuando lo miro por la mañana, está detenido.
    Veo que si hacemos clic en la opción "Generar informe", el sistema se inicia y entra en modo "Iniciando Adquisición". ¿Tiene esto alguna función especial?
    Perdón por mi insistencia; pero me gustaría estar preparado para las "Perseidas"
    Gracias. Saludos,
    Leo

     
    • gmbertani

      gmbertani - 2020-06-28

      Hi Leoncio,

      With automatic mode, at midnight UTC the acquisition stops for a couple
      of minutes to let the program freeze the acquired data and store them in
      dedicated subfolder
      per day. Once done this, it should restart by itself the acquisition for
      the new day.  The acquisition stops automatically only in case of system
      errors or when reached the maximum shots counter set
      in the "Output" tab (Stop after...). Otherwise it should run forever.

      What you've seed with "Generate report" is a feature I was asked to
      implement because the report generation must be required manually at
      acquisition stopped
      and the report generation could take some time, specially if gnuplot
      output has been requested. So checking the box "then start acq" allows
      to restart acquisition
      automatically when the report has been generated (the first and last day
      covered must be specified first). If the box is unchecked, no
      acquisition will be started.

      If you cannot understand what's happening, try to send me the echoes.log
      after acquisition stopped (please start echoes specifying the option -n4
      for a quite detailed log) and your config rts thanks.

      Sincerely

      Giuseppe

      Il 28/06/2020 11:36, LEONCIO PEIRO ha scritto:

      Hello good day
      How do I have to configure Echoes to get them to function for a full 1 month and acquire the data to create the report?
      I don't get it. When it reaches 00:00 UTC it stops and does not restart. When I look at it in the morning it is stopped.
      I see that if we click on the "Generate Report" option, the system starts up and enters "Starting Adquisition" mode. Does this have any special function?
      Sorry for my insistence; but I would like to be prepared for the "Perseids"
      Thank you. Greetings,
      Leo


      Hola, buenos días
      ¿Cómo debo configurar Echoes para que funcionen durante 1 mes completo y que genere el informe completo al finalizar?
      No lo entiendo Cuando llega a las 00:00 UTC, se detiene y no se reinicia. Cuando lo miro por la mañana, está detenido.
      Veo que si hacemos clic en la opción "Generar informe", el sistema se inicia y entra en modo "Iniciando Adquisición". ¿Tiene esto alguna función especial?
      Perdón por mi insistencia; pero me gustaría estar preparado para las "Perseidas"
      Gracias. Saludos,
      Leo


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