RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Ciaran J. <Cia...@te...>]

As it happens, that was the approach i took, I voted for it, primarily to
let people know there were more 'options' out there.  Choice is great, I
*love* the fact I can *choose* echo over other frameworks!
 -ciaran

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srinivas Pavani [mailto:sp...@ya...]
> Sent: 09 March 2004 15:44
> To: ech...@li...;
> ech...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
> Yes having a GUI designer will help convince people that 
> there is a serious
> effort behind the framework. One of the points that also needs to be
> emphasized is the ease of re-factoring because everything is 
> in one language.
> As the refactoring tools become more powerful, the ability to 
> manage your
> components better will be a big time saver. Think of all the 
> other component
> frameworks and how you would manage changes!
> 
> I would recommend voting on Echo so that it will allow people 
> to explore and
> then decide whether it is suitable for their task at hand.
> 
> - Srinivas
> 
> --- davout <da...@ds...> wrote:
> > When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
> > definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same 
> problem of most
> > Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: ech...@li...
> > [mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of 
> Ciaran Jessup
> >   Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
> >   To: 'ech...@li...';
> > ech...@li...
> >   Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> > 
> > 
> >   Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have 
> used it on several
> > projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be 
> slightly heavy.
> > You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development 
> to be mainly
> > page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its 
> un-fair of me to
> > claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
> > calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.
> > 
> >   Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and 
> weakness, Best is
> > a very over-ruling term <g>
> > 
> >   Cheers,
> >    - Ciaran
> > 
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
> >     Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
> >     To: ech...@li...;
> > ech...@li...
> >     Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> > 
> > 
> >     Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I 
> think that Echo
> > is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
> >     And for more portal / presentation like where designers 
> must do much
> > work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then 
> some lightweigth,
> > more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better 
> , but then we
> > can use templates from EchoPoint.
> > 
> >     It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in 
> Tapestry are very
> > similiar to Echo.
> >     Very toeoreticaly speaking :
> >     Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
> >     Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be 
> integrated into one.
> > 
> >     I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are 
> rogly only two,
> > template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing 
> like    oriented
> > (like normal software should be).
> > 
> >     But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  
> they are nothing
> > more than textual representation of components that are 
> realy going to be
> > instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components 
> all over the time,
> > ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative 
> component of a dozen
> > of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that 
> we use browsers
> > components through HTML text.
> > 
> >     And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also 
> component based.
> > 
> > 
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