RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Srinivas P. <sp...@ya...>]

Yes having a GUI designer will help convince people that there is a serious
effort behind the framework. One of the points that also needs to be
emphasized is the ease of re-factoring because everything is in one language.
As the refactoring tools become more powerful, the ability to manage your
components better will be a big time saver. Think of all the other component
frameworks and how you would manage changes!

I would recommend voting on Echo so that it will allow people to explore and
then decide whether it is suitable for their task at hand.

- Srinivas

--- davout <da...@ds...> wrote:
> When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
> definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same problem of most
> Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ech...@li...
> [mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of Ciaran Jessup
>   Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
>   To: 'ech...@li...';
> ech...@li...
>   Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
>   Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have used it on several
> projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be slightly heavy.
> You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development to be mainly
> page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its un-fair of me to
> claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
> calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.
> 
>   Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and weakness, Best is
> a very over-ruling term <g>
> 
>   Cheers,
>    - Ciaran
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
>     Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
>     To: ech...@li...;
> ech...@li...
>     Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
>     Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo
> is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
>     And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much
> work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some lightweigth,
> more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better , but then we
> can use templates from EchoPoint.
> 
>     It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very
> similiar to Echo.
>     Very toeoreticaly speaking :
>     Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
>     Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.
> 
>     I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two,
> template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    oriented
> (like normal software should be).
> 
>     But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing
> more than textual representation of components that are realy going to be
> instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the time,
> ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of a dozen
> of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use browsers
> components through HTML text.
> 
>     And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.
> 
> 
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