RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[davout <da...@ds...>]

When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same problem of most
Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ech...@li...
[mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of Ciaran Jessup
  Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
  To: 'ech...@li...';
ech...@li...
  Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


  Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have used it on several
projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be slightly heavy.
You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development to be mainly
page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its un-fair of me to
claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.

  Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and weakness, Best is
a very over-ruling term <g>

  Cheers,
   - Ciaran

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
    Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
    To: ech...@li...;
ech...@li...
    Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


    Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo
is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
    And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much
work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some lightweigth,
more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better , but then we
can use templates from EchoPoint.

    It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very
similiar to Echo.
    Very toeoreticaly speaking :
    Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
    Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.

    I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two,
template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    oriented
(like normal software should be).

    But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing
more than textual representation of components that are realy going to be
instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the time,
ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of a dozen
of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use browsers
components through HTML text.

    And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.


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