echo-list — General Discussion

Re: [Echo-list] Trying to access ServerContext keeps throwing NPE

[Terry L. <tj...@la...>]

Can you send the exact stack trace?  Also, when in your component's
life-cycle are you making the call to getEchoInstance()?  As I recall
the EchoInstance is null until after the super-init() method is called. 

If you are trying to do your work in the component constructor, you
would be having this problem.  If this is the case, try overriding
init() (and calling super.init() from the overriden method) and do your
work there.

Also, I have heard that the 1.1 betas use a thread local pattern for
obtaining the EchoInstance.  This would solve a lot of these problems
where the EchoInstance is not accessible in the current state.  I know
it is probably not feasible to upgrade, but it is something to keep in
mind.

Good luck.
Terry


On Sat, 2004-05-15 at 16:25, Thomas Hentschel Lund wrote:
> I've tried posting this on the forums, but no reply. So trying here. 
> Sorry for the double posting, but I cant get further in my development 
> without this solved.
> 
> I'm running Echo 1.0.3 on JBoss 3.2.3/Tomcat and the echo app is 
> protected correctly with login to the backend container.
> 
> I am now trying to access the server context in the echo application to 
> print the username of the person logged in, but whenever I try to access 
> the server context it keeps throwing me an NPE.
> 
> ServerContext serverCtx = 
> (ServerContext)(getEchoInstance().getAttribute(ServerContext.ATTRIBUTE_NAME));
> System.err.println("Logged in name:" + 
> serverCtx.getUserPrincipal().getName());
> 
> Can anyone give me any hints on what might be wrong?
> 
> Is the server context available "all the time"? Do I need to put the 
> code somewhere special?
> 
> I've tried looking through the maillist archives, forums and API docs, 
> but I am just simply stuck.
> 
> Please help - thanks!
> 
> /Thomas
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: SourceForge.net Broadband
> Sign-up now for SourceForge Broadband and get the fastest
> 6.0/768 connection for only $19.95/mo for the first 3 months!
> http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=2562&alloc_id=6184&op=click
> _______________________________________________
> Echo-list mailing list
> Ech...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/echo-list

[Echo-list] Trying to access ServerContext keeps throwing NPE

[Thomas H. L. <th...@tr...>]

I've tried posting this on the forums, but no reply. So trying here. 
Sorry for the double posting, but I cant get further in my development 
without this solved.

I'm running Echo 1.0.3 on JBoss 3.2.3/Tomcat and the echo app is 
protected correctly with login to the backend container.

I am now trying to access the server context in the echo application to 
print the username of the person logged in, but whenever I try to access 
the server context it keeps throwing me an NPE.

ServerContext serverCtx = 
(ServerContext)(getEchoInstance().getAttribute(ServerContext.ATTRIBUTE_NAME));
System.err.println("Logged in name:" + 
serverCtx.getUserPrincipal().getName());

Can anyone give me any hints on what might be wrong?

Is the server context available "all the time"? Do I need to put the 
code somewhere special?

I've tried looking through the maillist archives, forums and API docs, 
but I am just simply stuck.

Please help - thanks!

/Thomas

[Echo-list] how set max length to textarea ?

[<Al...@mp...>]

How to do set max length to textarea and lock when it have this length ?

[Echo-list] [ANN] Nextapp Sierra 1.0.3 Released

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

Sierra 1.0.3 is now available.  This release introduces a new example of
a sortable PagedTable component and provides fixes to problems
discovered with previous versions.

Sierra 1.0.3 requires Echo 1.0.4 or greater (or Echo 1.1 Beta 3 or
greater).

Best regards
--Tod Liebeck
  NextApp, Inc.

[Echo-list] [ANN] Echo File Transfer Library 1.0 Beta 1 Released

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

The first beta release of the File Transfer Library provides several
major enhancements, including the ability to limit file upload sizes and
cache uploads on disk (instead of in memory).  The library is now based
on the Jakarta Commons FileUpload component.

File Transfer Library 1.0 Beta 1 requires Echo 1.0.4 or greater (or Echo
1.1 Beta 3 or greater).

Best regards
--Tod Liebeck
  NextApp, Inc.

[Echo-list] [ANN] NextApp Echo 1.1Beta3 Released

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

Echo 1.1Beta3 provides significant feature enhancements to previous
versions.  The focus of this release has been to add oft-requested
features such as IFRAME and focus support, in addition to making Echo
components work as JavaBeans to meet the needs of future visual
development tools.

Feature Enhancements:
- Grids now support automatic positioning of cells.  Developer may
specify row/column count of grid and then
  place cells in grid that do not have their position properties set. 
Cells will automatically be layed out from
  left to right or top to bottom depending on setting of
LayoutOrientation property.
- Added basic support for setting initally focused component via
setFocused() property.
- Added support for IFRAMES, by allowing panes (e.g. ContentPanes and
ContainerPanes) to be added to ContentPanes as children.
- Added capability to set dimensions of panes using percent-based units
(using Extent object).
- Added Extent class used to set dimensions of panes and fonts with
arbitrary units.
- Fonts now support a great variety of dimensions, such as points,
pixels, inches, cm, and percentages.

Bugfixes:
- TableHeader is now a 'first-class' component.  Rendered header cells
are now attached beneath the TableHeader to ensure 
  cell components inherit stylistic properties from correct parent.
- Fixed issue with single-child ContainerPane not refreshing content
when set as root content of Window.
- Fixed issues due to changes in Opera 7.23.
- Fixed back button issue with Internet Explorer that occurred when back
button was pressed after new window opened.
- Fixed font rendering issue with components added directly to a
ContentPane which had non-default alignment settings.
- Fixed bug with ButtonGroups throwing exception when they contained
non-visible RadioButtons.
- All components now provide default constructors for bean/visual
development compatibility.

Best regards
--Tod Liebeck 
  NextApp, Inc.

[Echo-list] [ANN] NextApp Echo 1.0.4 Released

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

Echo 1.0.4 is now available.  This is a maintenance release containing
fixes to issues found in prior versions.  The following issues have been
fixed in this release:

- Fixed issue with single-child ContainerPane not refreshing content
when set as root content of Window.
- Fixed issues due to changes in Opera 7.23.
- Fixed back button issue with Internet Explorer that occurred when back
button was pressed after new window opened. 
- Fixed font rendering issue with components added directly to a
ContentPane which had non-default alignment settings.
- Fixed bug with ButtonGroups throwing exception when they contained
non-visible RadioButtons.

Best regards
--Tod Liebeck
  NextApp, Inc.

[Echo-list] [ANN] Echo Automated Testing Interface 0.9.3 Released

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

For more information please see the developer forums posting:

http://forum.nextapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=389

Re: [Echo-list] Getting lost focus event in text field

[Francisco F. Jr. <fxj...@ya...>]

Francisco Figueiredo Jr. wrote:
> Tod Liebeck wrote:
> 
>> 1.1 has "basic" focus management which allows the application to focus a
>> specific field between server interactions.  It does not have any means
>> of determining which component is focused before a server interaction,
>> so the server side focus state is set to 'unknown' between server
>> interactions.
>>
> 
> Thanks Tod. I will be doing some tests using Georg's implementation. I 
> will let you all know what I get.
> 
> 


Hi Tod, Georg!

I finally got it working. It worked like a charm in Firefox, but broke 
in IE. :( IE doesn't generate the onkeydown event for tab (char 9) and 
so I had to change the code to add an event hook to blur event. And so, 
it worked very well on both firefox and IE.

Thanks very much for the help. And thank you for great Echo and 
Echopoint projects!


-- 
Regards,

Francisco Figueiredo Jr.
Membro Fundador do Projeto MonoBrasil - MonoBrasil Project Founder Member
http://monobrasil.softwarelivre.org



-------------
"Science without religion is lame;
religion without science is blind."

                   ~ Albert Einstein

[Echo-list] [ANN] Echo Testing Tools Under Development

[Tod L. <tli...@ne...>]

For more information, please see the developer forums posting:
http://forum.nextapp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=369

Best regards
--Tod Liebeck
  NextApp, Inc.

Re: [Echo-list] RE: JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Rollover Enabled

[<Bra...@ca...>]

Yes it was releated to the way the Client Date Picker created its dynam=
ic
styles.  There were added to the head of the document.  I tweaked it to=
 add
them to the BODY and it works okay.

It seems this exposed a problem in the Echo E_getStyle() JS method whic=
h
was not able to find previous Echo styles  and return null and then the=

E_applyStyle failed.  I dd not chase down why the E_getStyle failed to =
find
a named style.  Maybe it assumed that there is only one STYLE block.

Cheers
Brad Baker
-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------

Email :   bra...@ca...
Mobile:  0418-642-341
-----------------------------------------------------------------------=
-----------------




                                                                       =
                                                                       =
  =20
                      "Bozic, Chris"                                   =
                                                                       =
  =20
                      <cb...@as...>                 To:      "John=
 Rayburn" <joh...@th...>,                                =
  =20
                      Sent by:                           <echo-list@lis=
ts.sourceforge.net>, <ech...@li...>    =
  =20
                      ech...@li...ur         cc:           =
                                                                       =
  =20
                      ceforge.net                        Subject: [Echo=
-list] RE: JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Rollover    =
  =20
                                                         Enabled       =
                                                                       =
  =20
                                                                       =
                                                                       =
  =20
                      07/04/2004 03:41 AM                              =
                                                                       =
  =20
                                                                       =
                                                                       =
  =20



We're getting the same thing in our app.  Actually, we didn't notice it=

until after you made your post about it.  So, could you please stop pos=
ting
problems you are having.  It breaks our application when you do.  :)

Seriously though, we aren't sure what's causing it and it looks like we=
 can
get it to happen with other components.  We have a page that has (among=

other components) a SortableTable and a ClientDatePicker.  When a user
moves their mouse over the SortableTableHeader the error pops up.  We d=
on't
have a rollover set on the table header but it still gives us the error=

anyway.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From:        John Rayburn [mailto:joh...@th...]
Sent:        Tue 4/6/2004 8:47 AM
To:          ech...@li...
Cc:          Bozic, Chris
Subject:           Client Date Picker
Continuing on the issue regarding ClientDatePicker and a Button with
rollover enabled, the JavaScript error also occurs in Mozilla.  In
Mozilla the error says: E_style has no properties.

Thanks for any help!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...


-----Original Message-----
From:        John Rayburn [mailto:joh...@th...]
Sent:        Tue 4/6/2004 8:44 AM
To:          ech...@li...
Cc:          Bozic, Chris
Subject:           JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Roll=
over
Enabled
The attached excerpt of code causes a JavaScript error in Internet
Explorer only.  The error is color is null or not an object and it
occurs when you mouse over the button (not the calendar button, but the=

regular button).

Has anyone else had this problem?  If you remove rolloverEnabled on the=

button, the problem goes away.

Thanks!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...

---------- Code Follows:

import nextapp.echo.Button;
import nextapp.echo.Color;
import nextapp.echo.ContentPane;
import nextapp.echo.EchoInstance;
import nextapp.echo.Window;
import nextapp.echoservlet.EchoServer;
import echopoint.ClientDatePicker;

/**
 * @author jp
 */
public class TestServer extends EchoServer {
             static{
                         echopoint.ui.Installer.register();
             }
             public EchoInstance newInstance() {
                         return new EchoInstance(){=00
       protected Window init() {
                                                 Button create =3D new
Button("Add");

create.setRolloverEnabled(true);

create.setForeground(Color.BLACK);

create.setRolloverForeground(Color.BLUE);

                                                 ContentPane pane =3D n=
ew
ContentPane();
                                                 pane.add(new
ClientDatePicker());
                                                 pane.add(create);

                                                 Window window =3D new
Window();
                                                 window.setContent(pane=
);
                                                 return window;
                                     }};
             }
}







-------------------------------------------------------
This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials
Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of
GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system
administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id638&op=3Dclick
_______________________________________________
Echo-list mailing list
Ech...@li...
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/echo-list


=

[Echo-list] RE: JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Rollover Enabled

[Bozic, C. <cb...@as...>]

We're getting the same thing in our app.  Actually, we didn't notice it =
until after you made your post about it.  So, could you please stop =
posting problems you are having.  It breaks our application when you do. =
 :)

Seriously though, we aren't sure what's causing it and it looks like we =
can get it to happen with other components.  We have a page that has =
(among other components) a SortableTable and a ClientDatePicker.  When a =
user moves their mouse over the SortableTableHeader the error pops up.  =
We don't have a rollover set on the table header but it still gives us =
the error anyway.

Chris


-----Original Message-----
From:	John Rayburn [mailto:joh...@th...]
Sent:	Tue 4/6/2004 8:47 AM
To:	ech...@li...
Cc:	Bozic, Chris
Subject:	Client Date Picker
Continuing on the issue regarding ClientDatePicker and a Button with
rollover enabled, the JavaScript error also occurs in Mozilla.  In
Mozilla the error says: E_style has no properties.

Thanks for any help!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...


-----Original Message-----
From:	John Rayburn [mailto:joh...@th...]
Sent:	Tue 4/6/2004 8:44 AM
To:	ech...@li...
Cc:	Bozic, Chris
Subject:	JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Rollover =
Enabled
The attached excerpt of code causes a JavaScript error in Internet
Explorer only.  The error is color is null or not an object and it
occurs when you mouse over the button (not the calendar button, but the
regular button).

Has anyone else had this problem?  If you remove rolloverEnabled on the
button, the problem goes away.

Thanks!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...

---------- Code Follows:

import nextapp.echo.Button;
import nextapp.echo.Color;
import nextapp.echo.ContentPane;
import nextapp.echo.EchoInstance;
import nextapp.echo.Window;
import nextapp.echoservlet.EchoServer;
import echopoint.ClientDatePicker;

/**
 * @author jp
 */
public class TestServer extends EchoServer {
	static{=20
		echopoint.ui.Installer.register();=20
	}
	public EchoInstance newInstance() {
		return new EchoInstance(){
			protected Window init() {
				Button create =3D new Button("Add");
				create.setRolloverEnabled(true);
				create.setForeground(Color.BLACK);
=09
create.setRolloverForeground(Color.BLUE);
			=09
				ContentPane pane =3D new ContentPane();
				pane.add(new ClientDatePicker());
				pane.add(create);
			=09
				Window window =3D new Window();
				window.setContent(pane);
				return window;=09
			}};=20
	}
}

[Echo-list] Client Date Picker

[John R. <joh...@th...>]

Continuing on the issue regarding ClientDatePicker and a Button with
rollover enabled, the JavaScript error also occurs in Mozilla.  In
Mozilla the error says: E_style has no properties.

Thanks for any help!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...

[Echo-list] JavaScript Bug Client Date Picker / Button with Rollover Enabled

[John R. <joh...@th...>]

The attached excerpt of code causes a JavaScript error in Internet
Explorer only.  The error is color is null or not an object and it
occurs when you mouse over the button (not the calendar button, but the
regular button).

Has anyone else had this problem?  If you remove rolloverEnabled on the
button, the problem goes away.

Thanks!

John Rayburn
304.594.8081
Threewide Corporation -- It's all about the data!
jra...@th...

---------- Code Follows:

import nextapp.echo.Button;
import nextapp.echo.Color;
import nextapp.echo.ContentPane;
import nextapp.echo.EchoInstance;
import nextapp.echo.Window;
import nextapp.echoservlet.EchoServer;
import echopoint.ClientDatePicker;

/**
 * @author jp
 */
public class TestServer extends EchoServer {
	static{=20
		echopoint.ui.Installer.register();=20
	}
	public EchoInstance newInstance() {
		return new EchoInstance(){
			protected Window init() {
				Button create =3D new Button("Add");
				create.setRolloverEnabled(true);
				create.setForeground(Color.BLACK);
=09
create.setRolloverForeground(Color.BLUE);
			=09
				ContentPane pane =3D new ContentPane();
				pane.add(new ClientDatePicker());
				pane.add(create);
			=09
				Window window =3D new Window();
				window.setContent(pane);
				return window;=09
			}};=20
	}
}

Re: [Echo-list] EchoPoint version 0.9.5 has been released

[Sam T. <ta...@ya...>]

Echopoint just keeps getting better!! 

Fantastic work Brad! Also nice article on echopiont
JSP and HTML templating features. Would be nice to get
that published somewhere.

-Sam

--- Bra...@ca... wrote:
> See
>
http://echopoint.sourceforge.net/NewsArticles/BreakingNews.html
> for
> full details
> 
> Cheers
> Brad Baker
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Email :   bra...@ca...
> Mobile:  0418-642-341
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>
-------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux
> Tutorials
> Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins,
> President and CEO of
> GenToo technologies. Learn everything from
> fundamentals to system
>
administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click
> _______________________________________________
> Echo-list mailing list
> Ech...@li...
>
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/echo-list


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Mail - More reliable, more storage, less spam
http://mail.yahoo.com

[Echo-list] EchoPoint version 0.9.5 has been released

[<Bra...@ca...>]

See http://echopoint.sourceforge.net/NewsArticles/BreakingNews.html for
full details

Cheers
Brad Baker
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Email :   bra...@ca...
Mobile:  0418-642-341
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Echo-list] FileDownloadProvider.java

[Lendvai A. <Att...@ne...>]

i've made a file download provider, could be useful for others. please
add to cvs if you find it suitable.

bye,

- 101

Re: [Echo-list] Echo vs JavaServer Faces

[Terry L. <tj...@la...>]

JSF is basically Struts recast into a JCP standard (I think the JSR was =20=

created by one of the original author's of Struts).  As such, it is a =20=

good framework for creating page based dynamic web sites.  There are =20
extensive tools for handling forms, databases, etc.

Echo on the other hand is really trying to solve different problems.  =20=

Echo is completely separated from the page based model for web =20
applications and more resembles Swing or a native GUI API than it does =20=

existing web frameworks.

If you want to create a  dynamic "web site", JSF (or Struts) would be a =20=

good choice.  If you want to create a dynamic "web application", then =20=

Echo is one of the few frameworks that will let you do that and achieve =20=

rich interactions without resorting to hand coding mounds of JavaScript =20=

and low-level form/frame/window handling code.  Since Echo renders =20
everything with straight HTML and JavaScript, it is certainly possible =20=

to duplicate the rich interaction support present in Echo by hand =20
coding an application with any dynamic server side technology.  =20
However, in all honesty, most developers simple do not have the =20
time/skill  to do this and often produce very simple web applications =20=

due to limitations in the tools.

Anyway, Echo is not the tool for everything.  It seeks to replace =20
traditional tools only for the case of true "web applications".  And =20
for this class of problems, I think it does very well (emphasis on "I =20=

think"... you need to evaluate it against your needs).  By not trying =20=

to be all things to all people, Echo really fills a niche that has been =20=

virtually unoccupied by other tools.

Brad Baker has a couple of articles on the EchoPoint web site =20
(EchoPoint is a component library for Echo) that address your question:
	=
http://echopoint.sourceforge.net/OlderArticles/WhyDoItAllInJava.html
	http://echopoint.sourceforge.net/OlderArticles/=20
WhenNotToUseEchoAndEchoPo.html

Terry


On Mar 9, 2004, at 8:49 AM, Assini, Pasqualino wrote:

> Has anyone worked with JavaServer Faces and could provide a comparison =
=20
> with Echo?
> =A0
> Thanks
> =A0
> =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 titto
> =A0
> =A0

[Echo-list] Echo vs JavaServer Faces

[Assini, P. <ti...@es...>]

Has anyone worked with JavaServer Faces and could provide a comparison =
with Echo?
=20
Thanks
=20
      titto
=20
=20

RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Ciaran J. <Cia...@te...>]

As it happens, that was the approach i took, I voted for it, primarily to
let people know there were more 'options' out there.  Choice is great, I
*love* the fact I can *choose* echo over other frameworks!
 -ciaran

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Srinivas Pavani [mailto:sp...@ya...]
> Sent: 09 March 2004 15:44
> To: ech...@li...;
> ech...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
> Yes having a GUI designer will help convince people that 
> there is a serious
> effort behind the framework. One of the points that also needs to be
> emphasized is the ease of re-factoring because everything is 
> in one language.
> As the refactoring tools become more powerful, the ability to 
> manage your
> components better will be a big time saver. Think of all the 
> other component
> frameworks and how you would manage changes!
> 
> I would recommend voting on Echo so that it will allow people 
> to explore and
> then decide whether it is suitable for their task at hand.
> 
> - Srinivas
> 
> --- davout <da...@ds...> wrote:
> > When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
> > definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same 
> problem of most
> > Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.
> > 
> >   -----Original Message-----
> >   From: ech...@li...
> > [mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of 
> Ciaran Jessup
> >   Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
> >   To: 'ech...@li...';
> > ech...@li...
> >   Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> > 
> > 
> >   Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have 
> used it on several
> > projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be 
> slightly heavy.
> > You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development 
> to be mainly
> > page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its 
> un-fair of me to
> > claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
> > calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.
> > 
> >   Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and 
> weakness, Best is
> > a very over-ruling term <g>
> > 
> >   Cheers,
> >    - Ciaran
> > 
> >     -----Original Message-----
> >     From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
> >     Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
> >     To: ech...@li...;
> > ech...@li...
> >     Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> > 
> > 
> >     Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I 
> think that Echo
> > is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
> >     And for more portal / presentation like where designers 
> must do much
> > work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then 
> some lightweigth,
> > more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better 
> , but then we
> > can use templates from EchoPoint.
> > 
> >     It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in 
> Tapestry are very
> > similiar to Echo.
> >     Very toeoreticaly speaking :
> >     Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
> >     Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be 
> integrated into one.
> > 
> >     I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are 
> rogly only two,
> > template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing 
> like    oriented
> > (like normal software should be).
> > 
> >     But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  
> they are nothing
> > more than textual representation of components that are 
> realy going to be
> > instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components 
> all over the time,
> > ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative 
> component of a dozen
> > of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that 
> we use browsers
> > components through HTML text.
> > 
> >     And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also 
> component based.
> > 
> > 
> >   ********************************************
> >   Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the 
> individual and not
> >   necessarily the Company. This email and any files 
> transmitted with it,
> >   including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain 
> alterations)
> >   subsequently transmitted from the company, are 
> confidential and solely
> >   for the use of the intended recipient.
> > 
> >   If you are not the intended recipient or the person 
> responsible for
> >   delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you 
> have received
> >   this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited.
> > 
> >   If you have received this email in error please notify 
> the IT Dept. via
> >   email to IT....@Te..., including a copy of the 
> message. Please
> >   then delete this email and destroy any copies of it.
> >   *********************************************
> > 
> 
> 
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster
> http://search.yahoo.com
> 
> 
> -------------------------------------------------------
> This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials
> Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of
> GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system
> administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click
> _______________________________________________
> Echopoint-list_listnam mailing list
> Ech...@li...
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/echopoint-list_listnam
> 

RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Srinivas P. <sp...@ya...>]

Yes having a GUI designer will help convince people that there is a serious
effort behind the framework. One of the points that also needs to be
emphasized is the ease of re-factoring because everything is in one language.
As the refactoring tools become more powerful, the ability to manage your
components better will be a big time saver. Think of all the other component
frameworks and how you would manage changes!

I would recommend voting on Echo so that it will allow people to explore and
then decide whether it is suitable for their task at hand.

- Srinivas

--- davout <da...@ds...> wrote:
> When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
> definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same problem of most
> Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.
> 
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: ech...@li...
> [mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of Ciaran Jessup
>   Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
>   To: 'ech...@li...';
> ech...@li...
>   Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
>   Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have used it on several
> projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be slightly heavy.
> You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development to be mainly
> page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its un-fair of me to
> claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
> calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.
> 
>   Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and weakness, Best is
> a very over-ruling term <g>
> 
>   Cheers,
>    - Ciaran
> 
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
>     Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
>     To: ech...@li...;
> ech...@li...
>     Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !
> 
> 
>     Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo
> is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
>     And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much
> work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some lightweigth,
> more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better , but then we
> can use templates from EchoPoint.
> 
>     It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very
> similiar to Echo.
>     Very toeoreticaly speaking :
>     Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
>     Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.
> 
>     I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two,
> template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    oriented
> (like normal software should be).
> 
>     But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing
> more than textual representation of components that are realy going to be
> instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the time,
> ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of a dozen
> of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use browsers
> components through HTML text.
> 
>     And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.
> 
> 
>   ********************************************
>   Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not
>   necessarily the Company. This email and any files transmitted with it,
>   including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations)
>   subsequently transmitted from the company, are confidential and solely
>   for the use of the intended recipient.
> 
>   If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for
>   delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received
>   this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited.
> 
>   If you have received this email in error please notify the IT Dept. via
>   email to IT....@Te..., including a copy of the message. Please
>   then delete this email and destroy any copies of it.
>   *********************************************
> 


__________________________________
Do you Yahoo!?
Yahoo! Search - Find what you’re looking for faster
http://search.yahoo.com

RE: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[davout <da...@ds...>]

When Echo eventually supply the promised GUI designer then it will
definately get my vote. Until then it suffers from the same problem of most
Java GUI tiers - too much code, too much coding.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: ech...@li...
[mailto:ech...@li...]On Behalf Of Ciaran Jessup
  Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
  To: 'ech...@li...';
ech...@li...
  Subject: [Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


  Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have used it on several
projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be slightly heavy.
You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development to be mainly
page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its un-fair of me to
claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.

  Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and weakness, Best is
a very over-ruling term <g>

  Cheers,
   - Ciaran

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
    Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
    To: ech...@li...;
ech...@li...
    Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


    Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo
is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
    And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much
work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some lightweigth,
more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better , but then we
can use templates from EchoPoint.

    It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very
similiar to Echo.
    Very toeoreticaly speaking :
    Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
    Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.

    I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two,
template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    oriented
(like normal software should be).

    But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing
more than textual representation of components that are realy going to be
instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the time,
ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of a dozen
of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use browsers
components through HTML text.

    And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.


  ********************************************
  Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not
  necessarily the Company. This email and any files transmitted with it,
  including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations)
  subsequently transmitted from the company, are confidential and solely
  for the use of the intended recipient.

  If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for
  delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received
  this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited.

  If you have received this email in error please notify the IT Dept. via
  email to IT....@Te..., including a copy of the message. Please
  then delete this email and destroy any copies of it.
  *********************************************

[Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Ciaran J. <Cia...@te...>]

Comprehensive answer ;) I do believe in Echo and have used it on several
projects.  However the end size of the sites tends to be slightly heavy.
You're correct that perhaps I'm considering Web development to be mainly
page based rather than application-centric.  Perhaps its un-fair of me to
claim Echo isn't the best, I seem to have a pathological fear of
calling/voting for *anything* to be the *BEST*.  
 
Generally I find that everything has it's strengths and weakness, Best is a
very over-ruling term <g>
 
Cheers,
 - Ciaran
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
Sent: 09 March 2004 15:21
To: ech...@li...;
ech...@li...
Subject: Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo is
the best (for rich interactivity apps).
And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much work
and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some lightweigth, more
template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better , but then we can use
templates from EchoPoint.
 
It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very
similiar to Echo.
Very toeoreticaly speaking :
Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.
 
I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two, template
based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    oriented (like
normal software should be).
 
But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing more
than textual representation of components that are realy going to be
instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the time,
ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of a dozen
of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use browsers
components through HTML text.
 
And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.



********************************************
Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not
necessarily the Company. This email and any files transmitted with it,
including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations)
subsequently transmitted from the company, are confidential and solely
for the use of the intended recipient. 

If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for
delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received
this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited.

If you have received this email in error please notify the IT Dept. via
email to IT....@Te..., including a copy of the message. Please
then delete this email and destroy any copies of it.
*********************************************

[Echo-list] Re: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Domagoj J. <do...@la...>]

Well for my view of the problem and current solutions I think that Echo =
is the best (for rich interactivity apps).
And for more portal / presentation like where designers must do much =
work and only some dynamic content is "included" , then some =
lightweigth, more template oriented (JSP, Velocity) technology is better =
, but then we can use templates from EchoPoint.

It seems that Tapestry is very popular , and ideas in Tapestry are very =
similiar to Echo.
Very toeoreticaly speaking :
Velocity, WebMacro, Maverick could be integrated into one and,
Echo, Tapestry, JSF, MillStone, wingS could be integrated into one.

I divide web frameworks by ther goal and there are rogly only two, =
template based, or like Echo, component/GUI toolkit/Swing like    =
oriented (like normal software should be).

But if you look at the templates and see HTML tags,  they are nothing =
more than textual representation of components that are realy going to =
be instatied in browsers memory, so we are using components all over the =
time, ve could say that some Echo component is a derivative component of =
a dozen of browsers tags/components, only difference here is that we use =
browsers components through HTML text.

And finaly even Microsoft made ASP.NET which is also component based.

[Echo-list] RE: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !

[Ciaran J. <Cia...@te...>]

Hmm, supporter though I am of Echo as an excellent framework, I'd be hard
pressed to claim it as *the* best web development framework, definately the
best intranet development framework, but I guess it always comes down to
personal preference ;)
 -ciaran
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Domagoj Jugovich [mailto:do...@la...]
Sent: 09 March 2004 14:57
To: ech...@li...;
ech...@li...
Subject: [EchoPoint] Go and vote !


http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework/mpoll
_poll
<http://www.manageability.org/polls/what-is-the-best-java-web-framework/mpol
l_poll> 



********************************************
Any opinions expressed in this email are those of the individual and not
necessarily the Company. This email and any files transmitted with it,
including replies and forwarded copies (which may contain alterations)
subsequently transmitted from the company, are confidential and solely
for the use of the intended recipient. 

If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for
delivering to the intended recipient, be advised that you have received
this email in error and that any use is strictly prohibited.

If you have received this email in error please notify the IT Dept. via
email to IT....@Te..., including a copy of the message. Please
then delete this email and destroy any copies of it.
*********************************************