Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

uh, oh.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things


> M$ paid Sun 20 million dollars as a legal settlement in a lawsuit they
lost.
> Here, read this.  It's from Business News.
>
> As a result of the settlement, Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft will pay $20
> million to Palo Alto, Calif.-based Sun, .terminate all Java licenses, and
> agree to a permanent injunction against the use of the Java Compatible
logo.
>
> "They can continue to distribute an outdated version of our technology,
but
> they can't use Java for .NET," said Patricia Sueltz, Sun's executive vice
> president, Software Systems Group. .NET is Microsoft's Internet
applications
> strategy.
>
> What Microsoft can continue doing, under a limited license, is sell
existing
> inventory of products, only with the 1.1.4 implementation of Java that
> Microsoft currently has, but the company cannot modify those
implementations
> at all, Sueltz added.
>
> The limited license covers only the products already containing the Java
> technology, and lasts only for seven years. Beyond that, Microsoft has no
> rights to distribute the Java technology, or to otherwise use any of Sun's
> intellectual property, Sun said.
>
> A couple of key takeaways:
>
> Can't use Java for .NET and can only distribute it with "existing
inventory
> of products".  Whistler isn't this!
>
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:04 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things
>
>
> > Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their
> own
> > use.
> > I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things
> >
> >
> > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft.
> While
> > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported
IE5
> > to
> > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that
> war
> > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable.
> > >
> > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination,
> > because
> > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us
(think
> > > zero support for client side Java).  M$ is moving to align all their
> > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time
> > pushing
> > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms  (hmmmm, this
> > seems
> > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as
they
> > can
> > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much".
> > >
> > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so
> > much
> > > as a ripple of real impact.  I think that good old Netscape finally
> found
> > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with
> > their
> > > head.  NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer.  I can't
> > even
> > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser
> > > instead of IE  (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN
> > > marketshare.
> > >
> > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach.  We just need to
be
> > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when
they
> > > release Whistler.  They have spent a billion dollars developing this
> > release
> > > with two goals in mind.  Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a
> > viable
> > > "consumer OS" alternative.  By consumer OS I mean our average home PC
> > user.
> > >
> > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a
> > > public beta.  It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update.  Get
> > > Whistler, get IE6.  This means one thing.  IE6 and Whistler are being
> > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps.
> > >
> > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a
> cross-platform
> > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s
end
> > > goals.  We can :O) a bit here.
> > >
> > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java
Applet
> > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael.  I'm not even sure it will
> be
> > > supported with the new IE6.  I think Java is going to be a server-side
> > tool
> > > for awhile.
> > >
> > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best
path.
> > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we
> > enhance
> > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world.
> > >
> > > Laters,
> > >
> > > Ray
> > >
> > >
> > >
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