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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion
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From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-06 18:20:33
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Nothings wrong with backward compatibility.. but there are alot of things that can't be done with older browsers (easiest example is trying to do the simplest DHTML trick on an NS3) IE5 for example has some great image-filters that could make kick-ass presentations or other multimedia efforts (i.e. games). These things will in NO way work on NS browsers, I know, it's not a "W3C-standard" but it's just an example (even doing something like dynamically render contents can be a pain in NS4). So we might actually hold back alot of horse power because we can not get it working cross-browser. Also where does the back-line end? we already dropped v3.x because of logical reasons : no dhtml, but how long can/will/should we support 4.x browsers? Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Richard Bennett > Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 17:08 > Aan: dyn...@li... > Onderwerp: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion > > > So what's wrong with ensuring backward compatibility, while adding the > newest effects for the latest browsers? > I don't think most customers *mind* if a little colored border, or some > transparency don't show in NS4, as long as the site looks nice > and readable > in that browser. > > Richard > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pascal" <pb...@oi...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 4:40 PM > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion > > > > Then isn't that the big problem? That people still want THE > site to be 4.x > > compatible? WHY!? > > > > And I think we're only making that problem bigger for developers by > > introducing an API that actually makes DHTML development almost a breeze > > (still the biggest supporter/fan of this thing out there :). > > > > I mean, we ALL know that 90% (more) is using IE5+ .. so why aren't we > > participating on it? The webdesign world is just one screwed up world > (maybe > > the complete software world is?) We're trying to hang on to old things > just > > because 10% (less!) are using it? Marketing people or sales people are > > probably laughing when they here numbers like that.. > > > > > > "If the move was to end supporting 4.x browsers, I think most > people will > > stop using it professionaly, and treat it just like a cool > thing where you > > can develop some experimental stuff..." > > > > So DynAPI is a tool that makes it possible to do code that > works on older > > browsers? Because that's exactly what I was saying..are we > holding things > > back because of the support for 4.x ? And could it be more > powerfull when > > supporting 5.x stuff (like IE5's behaviours, or image filters, or NS6's > > build-in eventlisteners).. > > > > (btw. : with this discussion I'm trying to figure out a few things about > > browser support and possibilities for the DynAPI) > > > > Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...) > > Software ontwikkelaar > > Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v. > > http://www.oibv.com > > > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > > > Van: dyn...@li... > > > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Nuno Ferreira > > > Verzonden: dinsdag 6 februari 2001 16:18 > > > Aan: dyn...@li... > > > Onderwerp: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Netscape 6 discussion > > > > > > > > > > > > >Leading to my real question: should DynAPI keep > > > supporting "old" 4.x > > > >browsers? is there any need for it? > > > > > > At least in my world there is. > > > If, for instance, the DynAPI stopped supporting NS 4.x, > > > and/or IE 4.x I > > > would > > > certain would stop using it. > > > > > > People forget that usually, a client, particulary, a BIG Client, when > > > specifiying > > > the Browser target for his/her web page, usually wants to > > > target IE4.x and > > > NS 4.x > > > Trust me, they don't care if the latest statistics show 90% > > > of the Market > > > using > > > IE, they care about the other 10% too, because they want all > > > the users to be > > > able > > > to access their site. Some months ago I did some HTML > > > optimization for the > > > team > > > that built the site of the biggest telecom company in > > > Portugal, and they > > > demanded > > > that we should maintain IE 3x and NS 3x compatibility! > > > > > > I do think that the main problem is not supporting NS and IE, it's > > > supporting > > > a) IE 4.x, IE 5.0, IE 5.5 on Win32 > > > b) IE 4.x, IE 5.5 on Mac > > > c) NS 4.x > > > d) NS 6 > > > > > > If you look closely there's more IE versions out there that > > > NS versions (at > > > least > > > from a pratical point of view). Most users are very lazy, and > > > if you look at > > > most > > > statistics, and if their version of Win has IE 4, or IE 5.0 > > > they stick to it > > > until > > > they cannot view a page decently, and only then they upgrade, > > > because 15Mb > > > downloads > > > are still out of the question for the great majority. > > > > > > I don't know if NS 4 is the same on Linux, Win32 and Mac, so > > > this view maybe > > > a bit biased or incomplete. > > > > > > You can't ignore 4.x versions as long as there's millions > > > using them, just > > > as you > > > can't start developing for a 1024x768 while there's millions > > > using smaller > > > screen > > > sizes (actually 800x600 is still the most widely used screen size...) > > > > > > I work in a Web Design and Development so I deal with this > > > problem all the > > > time, > > > and I can safely say that professionaly, we're gonna have to > > > deal with 4.x > > > browsers > > > a long time still. > > > > > > If the move was to end supporting 4.x browsers, I think most > > > people will > > > stop using > > > it professionaly, and treat it just like a cool thing where > > > you can develop > > > some > > > experimental stuff... > > > > > > > > > NunoF > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > Namezero.com. 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