Re: [Dynapi-Help] nice to see you are alive :)

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: <lo...@we...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] nice to see you are alive :)

> > Someone has an updated copy they were talking about releasing, but
were
> > waiting for people to test.

> Anyway if you need testing I can throw the code out to the Postnuke
and
> phpnuke communities for testing in some of my free themes.

Raymond Irving has been one of the main driving forces since I joined
the lists in 2002-12.  His latest test code which needs some testing is
located here: http://www.xwisdomhtml.com/dynapi/ .  Point your browser
and click away on the live copy, or for more tests, download the copy
and write your own test cases.  I'm a fan of test cases, so if you want
to extend the tests, go ahead.  :-)

By the way, these lists are archived, so you can check out past entires.
Check http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/doccenter/index.php?MailingLists ,
and use "(archives2)" at "The Mail Archive" website as "(archives1)"
seems broken.

Two main lists:

DynAPI-Help
http://www.mail-archive.com/dynapi-help%40lists.sourceforge.net/
DynAPI-Dev
http://www.mail-archive.com/dynapi-dev%40lists.sourceforge.net/

I wish we had dates while keeping original thread order.  But at least
it's searchable.  MARC would be my primary choice, or bug the guys at
mail-archive to add dates to the original thread index, and
s/"(Date|Thread) Index"/"Sort by $1"/.

> Ah this is great news, I have only touched the surface, but I have had
a
> little play - I basically work with CMS themes and I have been
experimenting
> more and more with dynamic stuff for the themes. The main problems I
have
> found so far is a lack of support for mozilla firefox - correct me if
I'm
> wrong but many features do not seem to work with firefox - I did
download
> the mozilla version, but still problems...
>
> I have found that it has become increasingly important for web display
> elements to be cross browser compatable - at least with the big three
ie,
> mozilla, netscape. Is there a push in this direction with dynapi?

Heh, it's more like the big 2.3, IE, and the Mozilla family of three:
Netscape, Mozilla, and Mozilla (Phoenix, Firebird, Firefox).  The
commercialized Netscape is nothing more than an old, stale copy of
Mozilla, with the logos changed, maybe a slightly different theme, and
possibly the User-Agent string slightly modified.  But Help-About tells
you exactly which version of Mozilla it is.  Remember the old Netscape
2/3 help files?  The very end said "It's spelled N E T S C A P E but
it's pronounced M O Z I L L A."  If Mozilla has a bug, it likely existed
in older versions, and likely it's in Netscape.  Mozilla and Firefox are
compiled from the same source trunk.  You pass different compile options
and you get the full blown Mozilla, or the slimmed-down Firefox.  Only
the user agent string may be slightly different.  For users, this can be
changed with an extension, like with Opera.

But that doesn't always work right or trick a server, when they do
browser specific code and on any errors, just return you to the same
page.  I have noticed the severe LACK of anything but IE support on a
few sites, unfortunately my ISP is one.  Charter Communications online
bill payment site used to work with Mozilla, but not Firebird, despite
the two being the exact same browser.  I complained about this.  Several
months go by, and the response was not to just accept the Firebird or
Firefox user-agent strings, but to accept ONLY IE.  Big surprise, as the
company is owned by a big M$ mogul.  :-\  I find this to be
unacceptable.  I called them and got to second tier support, and the guy
was not too knowledgeable.  When I mentioned that Mozilla and Mozilla
Firefox are major browsers, and one of the main options in Linux, he
said oh, Linux yeat, that is a derivative of Mac.  O.o  Ummm y...no,
that's backwards.  Mac OS X is a derivitive (or more properly, a hybrid)
of FreeBSD (or some BSD, I forget), and FreeBSD is sort of a sister
project to Linux, in that they are both implementing the Unix-like OS,
and code is sometimes swapped between them.  He said he had a couple
people on the web development team of 5 people, and they were discussing
Mac support (and thus Linux and Mozilla would somehow magically be
covered by this, as they're derivitives of Mac OS).  O.o

I asked how many people it took to implement cross-browser support?
Tounge in cheek, I offered to do it single-handedly, as I do have
experience with databases, online shopping carts (secure and tie-ins
with payment processing), and there's no excuse for static content to
support only one browser (either select browser-specific static pages
server side or do dynamic document building client side), and absolutely
should be no dependency between the browser and the interface to the
database and payment processor, as they seem to imply.  If there is such
a dependency, it's due to extremely poor design and the person should be
fired citing negligence and incompetency.  ;-)

> It will be good to get some kind of crossbrowser release out - I have
> noticed dynapi code and concepts cropping up in scripts that are
commercial
> (ie free for non commercial use, but for comemrcial use you purchase a
> license! - I have no  problem with charfing for code, but hell
sometimes we
> are talking about half a dozen lines of code here! it would be nice to
have
> some well written cross browser GPL code to use instead...

That's another story.  It should probably be looked into.  Hopefully
they're writing original code, but if some unscroupulous people out
there are lifting GPL code (nothing surprises me in this day and age)
and then calling it their own and charging a fee, then the GNU Free
Software Foundation would be interested in the violation of the GPL, and
they've got lawyers and two decades of legal clout to address the
problem.  GPL, as I interpret, is great for innovation, creativity,
invention.  It's there to inspire people and build upon.  It's nice when
people decide to return the code to the project from which they were
inspired, instead of duplicating work.

Leif

> Kindest regards,
>
> Adam Docherty a.k.a Lobos
>
> www.webvida.com
> www.iwebdesign.co.nz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leif W" <war...@us...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] loadpanel and browser history
>
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I don't think it's completely abandonned, but maybe it's been
resting...
> > or somewhat matured?  I hope it's not dead.
> >
> > Someone has an updated copy they were talking about releasing, but
were
> > waiting for people to test.
> >
> > I've been so busy on everything else inlife, I haven't kept up with
my
> > contributions.  I can't just stop everything I am doing and devote
100%
> > time to this.  I can't just invent time from nowhere.  ;-)  But I
can
> > maybe set aside some time to look at some things.
> >
> > But I don't know the answers to everything and haven't been able to
set
> > aside the time to learn the whole lib.  I only know the parts I have
> > written or translated (SnapX and IOElement / SODA Perl & PHP
> > translations). Nobody ever asks much about SnapX.  ;-)  There's PHP
and
> > Perl code I need to finish and debug and commit, and in some cases,
even
> > START (i.e. Perl Module).  ;-)  At the time, I didn't know how to
write
> > modules or classes in Perl, but have since done some reading and
> > thinking and coding.
> >
> > I dunno, maybe there are some other libs that do some of the things
this
> > lib does, and there are probably some features this lib doesn't
have.
> > But this lib has a lot of history and is GPL, which means you're
partly
> > responsible for writing code if you want a feature or a bug fix.
:-)
> >
> > About the heaviness of the lib, I have no hard numbers either way.
But
> > I remember there is a compressor, which may very well lighten up the
lib
> > by collecting the used code into a single file.  I'm not very
familiar
> > with the tool.  I wonder if it has the ability to determine which
> > functions are actually used, and include only them.  Of course, this
> > means you develop with the full lib, release and testthe compressed
> > version, but modifications to the userland code may require
> > recompressing if you're trying to use previously unused functions or
> > objects.
> >
> > Please don't talk about DynAPI in the past tense while there's still
> > some life in it.  :-)
> >
> > Leif
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <lo...@we...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:10 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] loadpanel and browser history
> >
> >
> > > I started to play with it, but i have to agree I think it has been
> > > abandoned, pity, it showed so much promise... what exactly are you
> > wanting
> > > to do? There are many dynamic html scripts out there that can
acheive
> > many
> > > of the things that the dynapi does. Also the code can be smaller
and
> > load
> > > faster becuase the dynapi is sometimes weighted down with code
that
> > you
> > > don't need...
> > >
> > > Kindest regards,
> > >
> > > Adam Docherty a.k.a Lobos
> > >
> > > www.webvida.com
> > > www.iwebdesign.co.nz
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael Herlihy" <mi...@m2...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 5:53 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Help] loadpanel and browser history
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think this project has been abandoned... I can never get any
help.
> > > > I would even be willing to pay for a fix.
> > > >
> > > > Mike.
> > > >
> > > > At 11:32 PM 7/7/04, you wrote:
> > > > >Hi all,
> > > > >
> > > > >I'm using dynapi 3.0 and I was wondering if there is a simple
way
> > to
> > > > >prevent the browser history from being affected by loaded urls
in a
> > > > >loadpanel?  Instead of the browser back button taking you
through
> > the
> > > > >history of loads in the loadpanel, I would like it to just take
you
> > off
> > > > >the page with the loadpanel completely and back to the previous
> > page.
> > > > >
> > > > >I tried setting the 'skipHistory' variable to true when using
> > setURL, but
> > > > >that didn't work.
> > > > >
> > > > >I also noticed all the history code in loadpanel.js, but I'm
not
> > sure how
> > > > >changing any of that will affect the way loadpanel works.
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks for any help!
> > > > >
> > > > >Arijit
> > > > >
> > > > >
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