From: Darin K. <dka...@ef...> - 2001-02-11 04:22:55
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Does oversight have an actual executable, or is it all browser based? If it's browser based, are the window titles constant? If so, I could write a small tray-icon app in Delphi that could hide selected windows based on their captions. No big deal really, I would just need a list of the window captions in their exact case. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lovett To: dyn...@li... Sent: 2/10/01 7:44 PM Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) Instead of managing windows by shading them, what do you think about putting a "remote control" in the main window of whatever you're debugging? I added the following crude functions listed below to oversight.js, then called addPageController() right after calling Oversight.run(). The result is a DynLayer that easily lets you bring a specific window (or all three) into focus. If pursued further, this approach could lead to a best-of-both-worlds between Oversight and DynAPI.Diagnose: some stuff happening in external windows, some stuff happening inside the main one. On a related note, does anyone know of a way to filter out Oversight's windows from the Windows task switcher? That would be a handy trick, saving many unnecessary alt-tabs. -bill addPageController : function() { OversightController= new DynLayer() OversightController.setSize(100,100) OversightController.moveTo(DynAPI.document.w-OversightController.w,0) OversightController.setBgColor('#cc99ff') DynAPI.document.addChild(OversightController) OversightController.setHTML( '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.idewin.focus()">Show IDE</a><br>' + '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.Oversightwin.focus()">Show Console</a><br>' + '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.watcher.focus()">Show Watcher</a><br>' + '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.arrange()">Arrange All</a>' ) }, arrange : function() { Oversight.idewin.moveTo(0,0); Oversight.idewin.focus() Oversight.Oversightwin.moveTo(262,0);Oversight.Oversightwin.focus() Oversight.watcher.moveTo(0,screen.availHeight-230);Oversight.watcher.foc us() }, -----Original Message----- From: dyn...@li... [mailto:dyn...@li...]On Behalf Of Pascal Bestebroer Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:19 PM To: dyn...@li... Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) Already struggling with it.. Although not all windows need to be open at all times, you only have to open the debugger when you need it. I was trying to work out some way to shade windows (min. size is 100x100) but can't get it to work correctly yet, and not sure if it works under IE4. I'm now trying to make the windows as easy-placed and small as possible.. but there will be some window moving when your working, for people familiar with Borland development envrionments it won't be such a big thing (there are always some windows floating around as well) but I think for people used to DreamWeaver this will be not so familiar, and might look a bit difficult at first) Today I got the property editor working (simple, with bugs.. but it works :-) So I'm pretty sure I can release something this weekend (nothing really useable for projects or anything, but I'm hoping for feed back on it) _______________________________________________ Dynapi-Dev mailing list Dyn...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev |
From: Pascal <pb...@oi...> - 2001-02-12 07:51:09
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I might upload it to my website to make it available from there, but the idea is that it can run on normal client systems. Hmm, could be an idea, but have to see if that background windows never gets on top, because that might be more confusing (having one big empty window,with of course a very nice wallpaper...uhm background) Maybe I'll try to change the background or layout of the modules, so that they are less confusing on top of icons :) Pascal Bestebroer (pb...@oi...) Software ontwikkelaar Oberon Informatiesystemen b.v. http://www.oibv.com > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Richard Bennett > Verzonden: maandag 12 februari 2001 8:36 > Aan: dyn...@li... > Onderwerp: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > > > yes, this shows a lot of potential. Great job. > I wonder, are you planning on this being run from a webserver > or on the > client machines? > As you mentioned, the style reflects Borland stuff, (with the floating > panels) which gives a very confusing effect over a desktop > full of icons. > Maybe you can include a "hide desktop" function, opening a > screensize layer > in relaxing gray, or even with a nice background image, now > where could we > find a few nice backgrounds... > > Cheers, > Richard Bennett > > ma...@ri... > www.richardinfo.com > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot > of DynAPI2) > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pascal Bestebroer" <pa...@dy...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:35 PM > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > > > > Well, here goes. > > > > Just uploaded a pre-beta (read : buggy) version of my current code, > > you can download it here: > http://www.dynamic-core.net/oversight-prebeta.zip > > > > WARNING: I only tested so far on IE5 and NS4 (previous > code also worked > on > > IE4), this > > version if VERY BETA, so please don't start mailing me with > bug-reports, > I'm > > very aware of them > > and they will eventually get fixed. > > > > I AM interested in any opinions, ideas and other notes, so > please let me > > know. > > > > The zip file contains a Dynacore version aswell, but I tested the > Oversight > > code and it works > > with the latest snapshot (probably not with the release). Open the > > Oversight.htm file in the > > root of the zip, and that should lead you thru it. > > > > One big-bug that I will try to fix, is in the DynAPI.. Try > adding a layer, > > and then a child-layer.. then > > reset the html content :-) I think this is fixable by > modifying the > > setHTML in the DynAPI (simply remove all layers, change > HTML, and re-add > > them) so I'll try to fix it, and patch it into CVS. > > > > The scripter is also working nicely.. so take a look at it :) > > > > Pascal Bestebroer > > pa...@dy... > > http://www.dynamic-core.net > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-11 10:13:45
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It's browser based. This is what currently happens: - You load the oversight.htm page - this spawns the application window (one small window, containing buttons to open debugger,wise,property inspector) - clicking the buttons in the appwindow, opens another window containing one of the Oversight modules (debugger,wise,etc..) - Windows can be closed and reopened again.. - Closing the main window (containing your work area) will close all oversight windows automatically So in most cases you will have the following windows open: - main editing window (your normal browser window containing blank page) - Oversight appbar (small horizontal window.. only 100px high.. and 320px width (for now)) - Editor (containing editing options to add layers) - and possibly the property inspector There will be window switching with alt-tab, but every module's title bar contains the name of the module.. so with alt-tab it should be possible to switch to the correct window without much problems. I will try my best to release something this afternoon.. and post a link. Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Darin Kadrioski > Verzonden: zondag 11 februari 2001 5:29 > Aan: 'dyn...@li... ' > Onderwerp: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > > > > Does oversight have an actual executable, or is it all browser based? > > If it's browser based, are the window titles constant? > > If so, I could write a small tray-icon app in Delphi that could hide > selected windows based on their captions. > > No big deal really, I would just need a list of the window > captions in their > exact case. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Lovett > To: dyn...@li... > Sent: 2/10/01 7:44 PM > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > > Instead of managing windows by shading them, what do you think about > putting > a "remote control" in the main window of whatever you're debugging? I > added > the following crude functions listed below to oversight.js, then called > addPageController() right after calling Oversight.run(). The result is a > DynLayer that easily lets you bring a specific window (or all three) > into > focus. If pursued further, this approach could lead to a > best-of-both-worlds > between Oversight and DynAPI.Diagnose: some stuff happening in external > windows, some stuff happening inside the main one. > > On a related note, does anyone know of a way to filter out Oversight's > windows from the Windows task switcher? That would be a handy trick, > saving > many unnecessary alt-tabs. > > -bill > > addPageController : function() { > OversightController= new DynLayer() > OversightController.setSize(100,100) > OversightController.moveTo(DynAPI.document.w-OversightController.w,0) > OversightController.setBgColor('#cc99ff') > DynAPI.document.addChild(OversightController) > > OversightController.setHTML( > '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.idewin.focus()">Show IDE</a><br>' + > '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.Oversightwin.focus()">Show > Console</a><br>' + > '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.watcher.focus()">Show > Watcher</a><br>' + > '<a href="#" onClick="Oversight.arrange()">Arrange All</a>' > ) > }, > > arrange : function() { > Oversight.idewin.moveTo(0,0); Oversight.idewin.focus() > Oversight.Oversightwin.moveTo(262,0);Oversight.Oversightwin.focus() > > Oversight.watcher.moveTo(0,screen.availHeight-230);Oversight.watcher.foc > us() > }, > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]On Behalf Of Pascal > Bestebroer > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 1:19 PM > To: dyn...@li... > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > > > Already struggling with it.. Although not all windows need to be open at > all > times, you only have to open the debugger when you need it. > > I was trying to work out some way to shade windows (min. size is > 100x100) > but can't get it to work correctly yet, and not sure if it works under > IE4. > > I'm now trying to make the windows as easy-placed and small as > possible.. > but there will be some window moving when your working, for people > familiar > with > Borland development envrionments it won't be such a big thing (there are > always some windows floating around as well) but I think for people > used to > DreamWeaver this will be not so familiar, and might look a bit difficult > at > first) > > Today I got the property editor working (simple, with bugs.. but it > works > :-) So I'm pretty sure I can release something this weekend (nothing > really > useable > for projects or anything, but I'm hoping for feed back on it) > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-11 12:35:06
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Well, here goes. Just uploaded a pre-beta (read : buggy) version of my current code, you can download it here: http://www.dynamic-core.net/oversight-prebeta.zip WARNING: I only tested so far on IE5 and NS4 (previous code also worked on IE4), this version if VERY BETA, so please don't start mailing me with bug-reports, I'm very aware of them and they will eventually get fixed. I AM interested in any opinions, ideas and other notes, so please let me know. The zip file contains a Dynacore version aswell, but I tested the Oversight code and it works with the latest snapshot (probably not with the release). Open the Oversight.htm file in the root of the zip, and that should lead you thru it. One big-bug that I will try to fix, is in the DynAPI.. Try adding a layer, and then a child-layer.. then reset the html content :-) I think this is fixable by modifying the setHTML in the DynAPI (simply remove all layers, change HTML, and re-add them) so I'll try to fix it, and patch it into CVS. The scripter is also working nicely.. so take a look at it :) Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net |
From: Richard B. <ma...@ri...> - 2001-02-11 23:13:16
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yes, this shows a lot of potential. Great job. I wonder, are you planning on this being run from a webserver or on the client machines? As you mentioned, the style reflects Borland stuff, (with the floating panels) which gives a very confusing effect over a desktop full of icons. Maybe you can include a "hide desktop" function, opening a screensize layer in relaxing gray, or even with a nice background image, now where could we find a few nice backgrounds... Cheers, Richard Bennett ma...@ri... www.richardinfo.com (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pascal Bestebroer" <pa...@dy...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2001 1:35 PM Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Oversight (was: a couple of tools) > Well, here goes. > > Just uploaded a pre-beta (read : buggy) version of my current code, > you can download it here: http://www.dynamic-core.net/oversight-prebeta.zip > > WARNING: I only tested so far on IE5 and NS4 (previous code also worked on > IE4), this > version if VERY BETA, so please don't start mailing me with bug-reports, I'm > very aware of them > and they will eventually get fixed. > > I AM interested in any opinions, ideas and other notes, so please let me > know. > > The zip file contains a Dynacore version aswell, but I tested the Oversight > code and it works > with the latest snapshot (probably not with the release). Open the > Oversight.htm file in the > root of the zip, and that should lead you thru it. > > One big-bug that I will try to fix, is in the DynAPI.. Try adding a layer, > and then a child-layer.. then > reset the html content :-) I think this is fixable by modifying the > setHTML in the DynAPI (simply remove all layers, change HTML, and re-add > them) so I'll try to fix it, and patch it into CVS. > > The scripter is also working nicely.. so take a look at it :) > > Pascal Bestebroer > pa...@dy... > http://www.dynamic-core.net > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > |
From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-12 19:32:38
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> yes, this shows a lot of potential. Great job. > I wonder, are you planning on this being run from a webserver or on the > client machines? > As you mentioned, the style reflects Borland stuff, (with the floating > panels) which gives a very confusing effect over a desktop full of icons. > Maybe you can include a "hide desktop" function, opening a screensize layer > in relaxing gray, or even with a nice background image, now where could we > find a few nice backgrounds... oter (in Win32) your app could become the desktop. ;-) Doug --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.230 / Virus Database: 111 - Release Date: 1/25/01 |