From: <ni...@pr...> - 2001-02-22 19:54:31
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> * Do some speed optimisations > Mainly changes to the createElement that sounds great1 > * DOM defaults > All "if (is.xx) else..." statements should be changed so that the NS6 code > is always the default (basically, no NS6 check should be left in the code). i don't think ns 6 is a true DOM browser yet and also if that's the case then code like : doc.captureEvents(Event.MOUSEMOVE | Event.MOUSEDOWN | Event.MOUSEUP | Event.CLICK | Event.DBLCLICK); doc.onmousemove=doc.onmousedown=doc.onmouseup=doc.onclick=doc.ondblclick=DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod;}; should be defalut to this : doc.addEventListener('mousemove',DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod,false); doc.addEventListener('mousedown',DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod,false); doc.addEventListener('mouseup',DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod,false); doc.addEventListener('click',DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod,false); doc.addEventListener('dblclick',DynObject.prototype.MouseEventMethod,false); and this for now it's supported only on ns 6 may be ie 6 > * Better object arrangement > Split event code up for mouseevents/normalevent-invoking (like Michael did). > And also split DynLayer/DynDocument into DynObject/DynLayer/DynDocument as > did in dynacore. Should prove to be easier to "get into the code" with > DynObject handling ALL parent/child relations, and DynLayer only doing that > what it should: dynamic layers handling. both of this make sense > * addChild() change > AddChild currently supports multiple children as parameter at once.. no body > uses it, no body should. I actually use it a lot and saves a lot of lines of code when u have some layer: DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer2) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer3) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer4) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer5) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer6) DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1,layer2,layer3,layer4,layer5,layer6) sorry I like the second better Removing support for that should also give a slight > speed increase (the child is already supplied as parameter to the function, > so I think it will be seen as a local variable) no need to walk thru an > array, which is an extra loop not needed. the support for multiple children > adding at once, could be created by users them self..not very hard to do. wouldn't be enough to check for arguments.length and do an if else that will support both > * DynDocuments adding to DynAPI > All DynDocuments should be child objects of the DynAPI object, this way you > get a true DynAPI tree which can be used to access ANY object created by the > DynAPI.. Only code that needs to be changed for this by users is code that > used frames (the dyndocument generated should become > DynAPI.addChild(dyndocument-name)) Should also prove handy in any > memory-cleaning needed. this will give better controll with frames ! > Any, helpful, takes on these ideas are welcome.. but please don't make this > a long discussion thread.. if some one doesn't like it we can discuss it, > but otherwise I'll start on it this weekend (unless some one else does it > before that :) I hope I didn't make any one mad now just my opinion rocks welcome ciao Y |
From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-22 21:09:46
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> i don't think ns 6 is a true DOM browser yet > and also if that's the case then code like : ---- snip ---- > and this for now it's supported only on ns 6 may be ie 6 Agreed, that's why I mentioned this as the first step for DOM compatibility.. at this point NS6 is the best test for that (don't konquer this fact) and once these if statements are in place.. we can start to work towards real DOM compatibility (if ever needed) > > * addChild() change > > AddChild currently supports multiple children as parameter at > once.. no body > > uses it, no body should. > > I actually use it a lot and saves a lot of lines of code when u > have some layer: > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1) > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer2) > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer3) > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer4) > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer5) > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer6) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1,layer2,layer3,layer4,layer5,layer6) > > sorry I like the second better I've never seen any widget or example use it.. and it really saves alot (getting length of an array takes time, and in a for loop it takes more time..) .. any other takes on this? > wouldn't be enough to check for arguments.length and do an if > else that will support both that also takes more time then passing the variable your work with as parameter... en speed is still an issue (ask around ;-) Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net |
From: <ma...@ab...> - 2001-02-23 08:14:34
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an idea is to put the mutiple childen-addChild() into an extension, so people can use it if they want. maybe togother with some other functions we move from the core api to an extension, just to speed things up and hold size down. just a dynapi.ext.common.js or something /m > -----Original Message----- > From: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]On Behalf Of Pascal > Bestebroer > Sent: den 22 februari 2001 22:10 > To: dyn...@li... > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > i don't think ns 6 is a true DOM browser yet > > and also if that's the case then code like : > > ---- snip ---- > > > and this for now it's supported only on ns 6 may be ie 6 > > Agreed, that's why I mentioned this as the first step for DOM > compatibility.. at this point NS6 is the best test for that (don't konquer > this fact) and once these if statements are in place.. we can > start to work > towards real DOM compatibility (if ever needed) > > > > * addChild() change > > > AddChild currently supports multiple children as parameter at > > once.. no body > > > uses it, no body should. > > > > I actually use it a lot and saves a lot of lines of code when u > > have some layer: > > > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer2) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer3) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer4) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer5) > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer6) > > > > DynAPI.document.addChild(layer1,layer2,layer3,layer4,layer5,layer6) > > > > sorry I like the second better > > I've never seen any widget or example use it.. and it really saves alot > (getting length of an array takes time, and in a for loop it takes more > time..) .. any other takes on this? > > > wouldn't be enough to check for arguments.length and do an if > > else that will support both > > that also takes more time then passing the variable your work with as > parameter... en speed is still an issue (ask around ;-) > > > > Pascal Bestebroer > pa...@dy... > http://www.dynamic-core.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev |
From: Raymond S. <dst...@or...> - 2001-02-23 08:57:25
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The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 to the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, because I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time pushing the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this seems to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they can without flagging the Justice Department "to much". Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so much as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with their head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't even imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN marketshare. In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this release with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a viable "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC user. A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end goals. We can :O) a bit here. This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side tool for awhile. In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we enhance that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. Laters, Ray |
From: Raymond S. <dst...@or...> - 2001-02-23 07:57:55
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The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 to the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, because I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time pushing the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this seems to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they can without flagging the Justice Department "to much". Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so much as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with their head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't even imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN marketshare. In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this release with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a viable "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC user. A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end goals. We can :O) a bit here. This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side tool for awhile. In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we enhance that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. Laters, Ray |
From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-23 19:06:13
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Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their own use. I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 to > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, because > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time pushing > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this seems > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they can > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so much > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with their > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't even > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > marketshare. > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this release > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a viable > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC user. > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side tool > for awhile. > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we enhance > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > Laters, > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
From: Raymond S. <dst...@or...> - 2001-02-23 19:35:17
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M$ paid Sun 20 million dollars as a legal settlement in a lawsuit they lost. Here, read this. It's from Business News. As a result of the settlement, Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft will pay $20 million to Palo Alto, Calif.-based Sun, .terminate all Java licenses, and agree to a permanent injunction against the use of the Java Compatible logo. "They can continue to distribute an outdated version of our technology, but they can't use Java for .NET," said Patricia Sueltz, Sun's executive vice president, Software Systems Group. .NET is Microsoft's Internet applications strategy. What Microsoft can continue doing, under a limited license, is sell existing inventory of products, only with the 1.1.4 implementation of Java that Microsoft currently has, but the company cannot modify those implementations at all, Sueltz added. The limited license covers only the products already containing the Java technology, and lasts only for seven years. Beyond that, Microsoft has no rights to distribute the Java technology, or to otherwise use any of Sun's intellectual property, Sun said. A couple of key takeaways: Can't use Java for .NET and can only distribute it with "existing inventory of products". Whistler isn't this! Ray ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their own > use. > I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 > to > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > because > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > pushing > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > seems > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they > can > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > much > > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > their > > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > even > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > > marketshare. > > > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > release > > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > viable > > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > user. > > > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be > > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > tool > > for awhile. > > > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > enhance > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > > > Laters, > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-23 19:44:05
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uh, oh. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > M$ paid Sun 20 million dollars as a legal settlement in a lawsuit they lost. > Here, read this. It's from Business News. > > As a result of the settlement, Redmond, Wash.-based Microsoft will pay $20 > million to Palo Alto, Calif.-based Sun, .terminate all Java licenses, and > agree to a permanent injunction against the use of the Java Compatible logo. > > "They can continue to distribute an outdated version of our technology, but > they can't use Java for .NET," said Patricia Sueltz, Sun's executive vice > president, Software Systems Group. .NET is Microsoft's Internet applications > strategy. > > What Microsoft can continue doing, under a limited license, is sell existing > inventory of products, only with the 1.1.4 implementation of Java that > Microsoft currently has, but the company cannot modify those implementations > at all, Sueltz added. > > The limited license covers only the products already containing the Java > technology, and lasts only for seven years. Beyond that, Microsoft has no > rights to distribute the Java technology, or to otherwise use any of Sun's > intellectual property, Sun said. > > A couple of key takeaways: > > Can't use Java for .NET and can only distribute it with "existing inventory > of products". Whistler isn't this! > > Ray > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Friday, February 23, 2001 2:04 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their > own > > use. > > I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > > > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. > While > > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 > > to > > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that > war > > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > > > > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > > because > > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > > > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > > pushing > > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > > seems > > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they > > can > > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > > > > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > > much > > > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally > found > > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > > their > > > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > > even > > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > > > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > > > marketshare. > > > > > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > > > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > > release > > > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > > viable > > > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > > user. > > > > > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > > > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > > > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > > > > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a > cross-platform > > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > > > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > > > > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will > be > > > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > > tool > > > for awhile. > > > > > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > > enhance > > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > > > > > Laters, > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From: Nuno F. <nun...@wi...> - 2001-02-28 12:04:29
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>Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their own >use. >I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. Correction: They paid 20 Million dollars to Sun, on court order, because of a breach of license. I don't think they intend to support Java at all. BUT, I think they will continue to support JS, though they will not develop it further, cause that would be against their .net philisophy. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 to > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, because > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time pushing > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this seems > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they can > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so much > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with their > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't even > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > marketshare. > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this release > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a viable > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC user. > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side tool > for awhile. > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we enhance > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > Laters, > > Ray > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-28 21:04:41
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Already been corrected. But use yer brains folks.. why in the hell would MS want to miss out on something as big as Java? It's simply not in their nature. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nuno Ferreira" <nun...@wi...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:00 AM Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > >Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their own > >use. > >I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. > > Correction: They paid 20 Million dollars to Sun, on court order, > because of a breach of license. I don't think they intend to support Java at > all. > BUT, I think they will continue to support JS, though they will not develop > it > further, cause that would be against their .net philisophy. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 > to > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > because > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > pushing > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > seems > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they > can > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > much > > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > their > > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > even > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > > marketshare. > > > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > release > > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > viable > > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > user. > > > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be > > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > tool > > for awhile. > > > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > enhance > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > > > Laters, > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
From: Raymond S. <dst...@or...> - 2001-02-28 21:15:16
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They don't want to miss out on it, they want to "kill" it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > Already been corrected. > But use yer brains folks.. > why in the hell would MS want to miss out on something as big as Java? > It's simply not in their nature. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nuno Ferreira" <nun...@wi...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:00 AM > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > >Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their > own > > >use. > > >I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. > > > > Correction: They paid 20 Million dollars to Sun, on court order, > > because of a breach of license. I don't think they intend to support Java > at > > all. > > BUT, I think they will continue to support JS, though they will not > develop > > it > > further, cause that would be against their .net philisophy. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > > > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. > While > > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 > > to > > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that > war > > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > > > > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > > because > > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think > > > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > > pushing > > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > > seems > > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they > > can > > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > > > > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > > much > > > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally > found > > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > > their > > > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > > even > > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > > > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > > > marketshare. > > > > > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be > > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they > > > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > > release > > > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > > viable > > > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > > user. > > > > > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > > > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > > > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > > > > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a > cross-platform > > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end > > > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > > > > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet > > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will > be > > > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > > tool > > > for awhile. > > > > > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. > > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > > enhance > > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > > > > > Laters, > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-28 21:46:41
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but htey can't kill it. so, they will try to get back into the club. you know it, I know it, even they know it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > They don't want to miss out on it, they want to "kill" it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:03 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > Already been corrected. > > But use yer brains folks.. > > why in the hell would MS want to miss out on something as big as Java? > > It's simply not in their nature. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Nuno Ferreira" <nun...@wi...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 4:00 AM > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > > > > >Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their > > own > > > >use. > > > >I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in > IE6. > > > > > > Correction: They paid 20 Million dollars to Sun, on court order, > > > because of a breach of license. I don't think they intend to support > Java > > at > > > all. > > > BUT, I think they will continue to support JS, though they will not > > develop > > > it > > > further, cause that would be against their .net philisophy. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things > > > > > > > > > > The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. > > While > > > > they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported > IE5 > > > to > > > > the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that > > war > > > > with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. > > > > > > > > I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > > > because > > > > I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us > (think > > > > zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their > > > > products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > > > pushing > > > > the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > > > seems > > > > to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as > they > > > can > > > > without flagging the Justice Department "to much". > > > > > > > > Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > > > much > > > > as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally > > found > > > > out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > > > their > > > > head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > > > even > > > > imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser > > > > instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN > > > > marketshare. > > > > > > > > In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to > be > > > > aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when > they > > > > release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > > > release > > > > with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > > > viable > > > > "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > > > user. > > > > > > > > A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a > > > > public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get > > > > Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being > > > > developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. > > > > > > > > Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a > > cross-platform > > > > language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s > end > > > > goals. We can :O) a bit here. > > > > > > > > This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java > Applet > > > > Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will > > be > > > > supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > > > tool > > > > for awhile. > > > > > > > > In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best > path. > > > > But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > > > enhance > > > > that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. > > > > > > > > Laters, > > > > > > > > Ray > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > > Dyn...@li... > > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > > > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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From: Robert R. <rra...@ya...> - 2001-02-23 19:42:11
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Microsoft also stated there would be no Java support in IE 6. Apparently, a java plugin will have to be used. Of course, only if someone creates one, which I'm sure Sun will do. -- // Robert Rainwater On 2/23/2001, 5:04:50 PM EST, Doug wrote about "[Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things": > Actually, MS just paid Sun 20 million dollars to licence java for their own > use. > I don't think we need to worry about there being no Java support in IE6. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Raymond Smith" <dst...@or...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2001 2:16 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI current things >> The only thing that concerns me, is our friends over at Microsoft. While >> they were moving towards DOM compliance (around the time they ported IE5 > to >> the Macintosh) they took a hard left with IE5.5 when they decided that war >> with the Java/Unix camp was inevitable. >> >> I have a lot of concerns with the pending Whistler/IE6 combination, > because >> I am pretty sure it's going be a major paradigm shift for them/us (think >> zero support for client side Java). M$ is moving to align all their >> products OS/Software around the .net strategy while at the same time > pushing >> the "disturbance factor" in other alternative platforms (hmmmm, this > seems >> to run like shit on my PC compared to 100% M$ products) as much as they > can >> without flagging the Justice Department "to much". >> >> Additionally, the long awaited arrival of NS6 came and went without so > much >> as a ripple of real impact. I think that good old Netscape finally found >> out how to align the bullet-filled cylinder of business blunders with > their >> head. NS6 is a dead alternative in the eyes of Joe Consumer. I can't > even >> imagine AOL wrapping there consumer online service around this browser >> instead of IE (that they use now), unless they want to hand MSN >> marketshare. >> >> In no way am I supporting an IE concentric approach. We just need to be >> aware that "shit is gonna hit the developer fan" in 3-7 months when they >> release Whistler. They have spent a billion dollars developing this > release >> with two goals in mind. Stunt the growth of Java and kill Linux as a > viable >> "consumer OS" alternative. By consumer OS I mean our average home PC > user. >> >> A scary fact is that M$ has said they don't plan on releasing IE6 as a >> public beta. It's gonna release inside the Whistler OS update. Get >> Whistler, get IE6. This means one thing. IE6 and Whistler are being >> developed in tandem to create strategic havoc for the Java/Unix camps. >> >> Javascript (the DynAPI foundation) will likely survive as a cross-platform >> language; it's to entrenched and strategically means little to M$'s end >> goals. We can :O) a bit here. >> >> This is why I don't want to spend a lot of time developing a Java Applet >> Client/Side I/O device for DynAPI2 Michael. I'm not even sure it will be >> supported with the new IE6. I think Java is going to be a server-side > tool >> for awhile. >> >> In the end, basic DOM support with the DynAPI is probably the best path. >> But lets be smart (as we can be with limited knowledge) about how we > enhance >> that API with input/output shunts to the dynamic server/side world. >> >> Laters, >> >> Ray >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dynapi-Dev mailing list >> Dyn...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > Download at: http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev ---------------------- DynAPI Snapshots: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ DynAPI Homepage: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/ |