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[Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Daniel T. <de...@ti...>]

Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)

But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the member directory and
those kinds of stuff in textfiles..

But however...the question was about programming language and not
databases or not :)

Regards
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: dyn...@li...
[mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Cristian
Grigoriu
Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
To: dyn...@li...
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


> How should we do with polls and sutch if its not database driven?

Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible". However, for a poll we
still don't need a database backend :) but we definitely need a
server-side scripting technology.

> Daniel

Grig

> > What programming language do you think we should use for the 
> > development of the homepage? Should we vote or do we have
> any options?
>
> Since our website is not database-driven I think we should stay away 
> from server-side scripting whenever possible. Otherwise, I would 
> suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and portable.
>
> > What do you say?
> > Regards
> > Daniel
>
> Grig



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[Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


> I think the choice for client-side scripting should be obvious.
> The whole site should serve as a working example of DynAPI.
>
> As for server-side processing, that would depend on the web server
> we decide on using. I've mentioned that I have web space available
> for 4 more domains with unlimited space and resource utilization
> on an IIS 5 server, which includes ASP, .Net, Java, PHP, and
> CGI(C++ exe, Perl, VB exe). Anyone else have hosting ideas?

Well, here's my take.  I have a strong aversion to IIS (if you've seen my
previous post), as I've worked with IIS (at a former employer) side by side
with Apache on FreeBSD / Linux, and IIS proved mostly a security liability
and a humungous PITA.

Coincidentally, this former employer I mentioned, I left them on less than
good terms, due to personal and professional political reasons, as opposed
to technical or financial.  One of the worst professional falling-out I've
had.  So bad, I refuse to allow myself to ask them for any job reference,
although I don't doubt their professional integrity to commend me for the
positive contributions I made.  But even with that history going on, I have
such a strong aversion to IIS that I'd consider contacting them about
hosting.

I doubt it'd be free, but you never know.  And if not, I'm sure it'd be
reasonable.  Anyone have any idea on how much bandwidth our little DynAPI
site uses (downloads could stay at SF)?  How much traffic, hits per day,
etc?  Any usage statistics at all?  If it's below 1GB/month traffic, and
only low to moderate traffic (hopefully not slashdotted), I'm fairly
confident that the company would be more receptive to at least talking about
a reduced rate.  I know their servers have MySQL, Apache, FreeBSD, and PHP
and Perl, and gcc, ssh, and FTP all running.  And I know the people are
great about security issues.  I used to help admin the stuff.  They also
handle DNS stuff, and email hosting or forwarding, if needed.  They're no
slouches or fatcat managers.  Just hackers like you and me, but with a solid
business plan.

Let me know if this would be a possibility, and if we had to pay a little
then how much could people spare?  Pass a can around, throw in a quarter, a
dollar, a fiver or ten each year, it'd add up.

Leif

> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
>
>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
> >>>  Of Daniel Tiru
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:13 AM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Sorry mate, wrong list :)
> >>>
> >>>  /Tiru
> >>>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
> >>>  Of Matthias Foschepoth
> >>>  Sent: den 4 september 2003 13:08
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  > Hi folks!
> >>>  >
> >>>  > What programming language do you think we should use for the
> >>>  > development of the homepage? Should we vote or do we
> >>>  have any options?
> >>>  >
> >>>  > Myself cant help out with PHP if that will be the
> >>>  language of our
> >>>  > choise and if we use asp i know some people wont be able
> >>>  to help out
> >>>  > with that either...
> >>>  >
> >>>
> >>>  Hi!
> >>>
> >>>  Am I wrong and didn't subscribed to mailing list about
> >>>  DynApi? What Homepage you're talking about? DynApi works
> >>>  client sided. PHP, Perl and databases server sided.
> >>>
> >>>  Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>  Matthias
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already
on SF and updating it to the slicker design. In a later
post you will see that I made an ultra long blurb about
what they offer to projects which, Leif, you summed up
already (sorry for the redundancy).

 
Christopher Kissinger
Web Development Consultant
 
Net Industries, Inc.
www.netindustries.net


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:03 PM
>>>  To: DynAPI-Dev
>>>  Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:29 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > I think the choice for client-side scripting should be obvious.
>>>  > The whole site should serve as a working example of DynAPI.
>>>  >
>>>  > As for server-side processing, that would depend on the 
>>>  web server
>>>  > we decide on using. I've mentioned that I have web space 
>>>  available
>>>  > for 4 more domains with unlimited space and resource utilization
>>>  > on an IIS 5 server, which includes ASP, .Net, Java, PHP, and
>>>  > CGI(C++ exe, Perl, VB exe). Anyone else have hosting ideas?
>>>  
>>>  Well, here's my take.  I have a strong aversion to IIS (if 
>>>  you've seen my
>>>  previous post), as I've worked with IIS (at a former 
>>>  employer) side by side
>>>  with Apache on FreeBSD / Linux, and IIS proved mostly a 
>>>  security liability
>>>  and a humungous PITA.
>>>  
>>>  Coincidentally, this former employer I mentioned, I left 
>>>  them on less than
>>>  good terms, due to personal and professional political 
>>>  reasons, as opposed
>>>  to technical or financial.  One of the worst professional 
>>>  falling-out I've
>>>  had.  So bad, I refuse to allow myself to ask them for any 
>>>  job reference,
>>>  although I don't doubt their professional integrity to 
>>>  commend me for the
>>>  positive contributions I made.  But even with that history 
>>>  going on, I have
>>>  such a strong aversion to IIS that I'd consider contacting 
>>>  them about
>>>  hosting.
>>>  
>>>  I doubt it'd be free, but you never know.  And if not, I'm 
>>>  sure it'd be
>>>  reasonable.  Anyone have any idea on how much bandwidth 
>>>  our little DynAPI
>>>  site uses (downloads could stay at SF)?  How much traffic, 
>>>  hits per day,
>>>  etc?  Any usage statistics at all?  If it's below 
>>>  1GB/month traffic, and
>>>  only low to moderate traffic (hopefully not slashdotted), 
>>>  I'm fairly
>>>  confident that the company would be more receptive to at 
>>>  least talking about
>>>  a reduced rate.  I know their servers have MySQL, Apache, 
>>>  FreeBSD, and PHP
>>>  and Perl, and gcc, ssh, and FTP all running.  And I know 
>>>  the people are
>>>  great about security issues.  I used to help admin the 
>>>  stuff.  They also
>>>  handle DNS stuff, and email hosting or forwarding, if 
>>>  needed.  They're no
>>>  slouches or fatcat managers.  Just hackers like you and 
>>>  me, but with a solid
>>>  business plan.
>>>  
>>>  Let me know if this would be a possibility, and if we had 
>>>  to pay a little
>>>  then how much could people spare?  Pass a can around, 
>>>  throw in a quarter, a
>>>  dollar, a fiver or ten each year, it'd add up.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  > Christopher Kissinger
>>>  > Web Development Consultant
>>>  >
>>>  > Net Industries, Inc.
>>>  > www.netindustries.net
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
>>>  > >>>  Of Daniel Tiru
>>>  > >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:13 AM
>>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Sorry mate, wrong list :)
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  /Tiru
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
>>>  > >>>  Of Matthias Foschepoth
>>>  > >>>  Sent: den 4 september 2003 13:08
>>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  > Hi folks!
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>  > What programming language do you think we should 
>>>  use for the
>>>  > >>>  > development of the homepage? Should we vote or do we
>>>  > >>>  have any options?
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>  > Myself cant help out with PHP if that will be the
>>>  > >>>  language of our
>>>  > >>>  > choise and if we use asp i know some people wont be able
>>>  > >>>  to help out
>>>  > >>>  > with that either...
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Hi!
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Am I wrong and didn't subscribed to mailing list about
>>>  > >>>  DynApi? What Homepage you're talking about? DynApi works
>>>  > >>>  client sided. PHP, Perl and databases server sided.
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Best regards,
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Matthias
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  -------------------------------------------------------
>>>  > >>>  This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
>>>  > >>>  Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > >>>  http://thinkgeek.com/sf
>>>  > >>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>  > >>>  Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  >>>  
>>>  >>>  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dyn>>>  api-help
>>>  > 
>>>  
>>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > 
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>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


> OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
> posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already

Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we know the project is alive and
well.  :)

I guess we're all on the same page (true?  maybe?), leaning towards staying
with SF for now, as they'll have everything we need for now.

Leif

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

Count me as vote #2 for SF.

 
Christopher Kissinger
Web Development Consultant
 
Net Industries, Inc.
www.netindustries.net


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:03 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
>>>  > posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already
>>>  
>>>  Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we know the 
>>>  project is alive and
>>>  well.  :)
>>>  
>>>  I guess we're all on the same page (true?  maybe?), 
>>>  leaning towards staying
>>>  with SF for now, as they'll have everything we need for now.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Count me as vote #3 for SF for moment.

--
Raymond Irving


--- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> Count me as vote #2 for SF.
> 
>  
> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>  
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
> 
> 
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li... 
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...]
> On Behalf Of Leif W
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:03 PM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help]
> Homepage
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>  From: "C Kissinger"
> <cki...@ne...>
> >>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help]
> Homepage
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  > OK, the posts are getting out of sync now
> from fevered
> >>>  > posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using
> what's already
> >>>  
> >>>  Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we
> know the 
> >>>  project is alive and
> >>>  well.  :)
> >>>  
> >>>  I guess we're all on the same page (true? 
> maybe?), 
> >>>  leaning towards staying
> >>>  with SF for now, as they'll have everything we
> need for now.
> >>>  
> >>>  Leif
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
(www.sqlite.org)

For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
many php developers and site manager softwares
available. 

Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
the best choice.

If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
so we could use phpwebsites, etc

The current homepage could be used as a mirror.


--
Raymond Irving

--- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
> 
> But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
> member directory and
> those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
> 
> But however...the question was about programming
> language and not
> databases or not :)
> 
> Regards
> Daniel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> Behalf Of Cristian
> Grigoriu
> Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
> To: dyn...@li...
> Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> 
> 
> > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
> database driven?
> 
> Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
> However, for a poll we
> still don't need a database backend :) but we
> definitely need a
> server-side scripting technology.
> 
> > Daniel
> 
> Grig
> 
> > > What programming language do you think we should
> use for the 
> > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
> do we have
> > any options?
> >
> > Since our website is not database-driven I think
> we should stay away 
> > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
> Otherwise, I would 
> > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
> portable.
> >
> > > What do you say?
> > > Regards
> > > Daniel
> >
> > Grig
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

PHP all the way.  It's free technology, it's powerful, easy to use,
ubiquitous scripting language, with MySQL support.  Perl is powerful also,
arguably more powerful with all the fancy modules available, but maybe
slightly less easy to script in.  DB, if any, MySQL again, as it's powerful,
fast, easy to use, and I know it a little (ok moderate - I never used
phpMyAdmin, I do it all by hand).  :-)  If we're just having an occasional
poll, don't see an immediate strong need for SQL at all, could just be
flat-file text or some binary hash DB or something.  For scalability (if we
start with a non-SQL format and later want to import all the old data to
SQL), it would be wise to take a small amount of time to document the file
format and write a little SQL converter.  However, I've had experience with
C code and a custom binary DB format, and I successfully extracted the data
using both Perl and PHP (it was trivial to convert the Perl script to PHP),
and once the data is extracted it's again trivial to wrap it in some plain
text SQL file.  While we're at it, Apache should be the server, as it's more
secure, free, widely known and used.  Finally, again, for those not familiar
or comfortable with PHP, I highly reccomend their manual.  There's a CHM (M$
compiled HTML format) manual which I tend to leave open on my desktop, as
it's easy to search, and full of good info.  There's also any number of
books available on programming with PHP and MySQL.  I've got a few PDF
copies lying around...  And of course I'd be happy to try and answer any
questions, or there's probably a support mailing list or forum too, which
are a wealth of information.

About having a site off SF, I see no problem, as long as we can have some
automation of the mirroring, for backup and redundancy (in addition to
Apache, PHP4 and 5 when it's stable, MySQL and secure FTP access).  Just add
a "mirrors" link, or simply links to both sites on the first page.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:16 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


>
> For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
> (www.sqlite.org)
>
> For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
> many php developers and site manager softwares
> available.
>
> Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
> the best choice.
>
> If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
> could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
> so we could use phpwebsites, etc
>
> The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
>
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
> --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
> >
> > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
> > member directory and
> > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
> >
> > But however...the question was about programming
> > language and not
> > databases or not :)
> >
> > Regards
> > Daniel
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dyn...@li...
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> > Behalf Of Cristian
> > Grigoriu
> > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
> > To: dyn...@li...
> > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> >
> >
> > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
> > database driven?
> >
> > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
> > However, for a poll we
> > still don't need a database backend :) but we
> > definitely need a
> > server-side scripting technology.
> >
> > > Daniel
> >
> > Grig
> >
> > > > What programming language do you think we should
> > use for the
> > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
> > do we have
> > > any options?
> > >
> > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
> > we should stay away
> > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
> > Otherwise, I would
> > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
> > portable.
> > >
> > > > What do you say?
> > > > Regards
> > > > Daniel
> > >
> > > Grig
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

Not that the site will need a whole lot of server-side
processing, I'm guessing, but I can assist with ASP if
we go with the outside hosting route. Although a lengthy
rehash of the SourceForge docs says...

From: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=4297&group_id=1

"The SourceForge.net project web servers all run Linux
in conjunction with the Apache web server software. Also
provided are the PHP scripting language suite and access
to MySQL database services."

"Server-side scripting languages, such as PHP, perl, and
python, give projects the means to..."

"The SourceForge.net Compile Farm may be used to compile
C-based and C++-based CGI scripts. Both the perl and python
scripting languages are supported for CGI scripting purposes."

"MySQL database services are provided, upon request, to all
projects hosted on SourceForge.net."

So there is power already at the disposal of those allowed to
sign up for the developers group.
 
Christopher Kissinger


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:20 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  PHP all the way.  It's free technology, it's powerful, easy to use,
>>>  ubiquitous scripting language, with MySQL support.  Perl 
>>>  is powerful also,
>>>  arguably more powerful with all the fancy modules 
>>>  available, but maybe
>>>  slightly less easy to script in.  DB, if any, MySQL again, 
>>>  as it's powerful,
>>>  fast, easy to use, and I know it a little (ok moderate - I 
>>>  never used
>>>  phpMyAdmin, I do it all by hand).  :-)  If we're just 
>>>  having an occasional
>>>  poll, don't see an immediate strong need for SQL at all, 
>>>  could just be
>>>  flat-file text or some binary hash DB or something.  For 
>>>  scalability (if we
>>>  start with a non-SQL format and later want to import all 
>>>  the old data to
>>>  SQL), it would be wise to take a small amount of time to 
>>>  document the file
>>>  format and write a little SQL converter.  However, I've 
>>>  had experience with
>>>  C code and a custom binary DB format, and I successfully 
>>>  extracted the data
>>>  using both Perl and PHP (it was trivial to convert the 
>>>  Perl script to PHP),
>>>  and once the data is extracted it's again trivial to wrap 
>>>  it in some plain
>>>  text SQL file.  While we're at it, Apache should be the 
>>>  server, as it's more
>>>  secure, free, widely known and used.  Finally, again, for 
>>>  those not familiar
>>>  or comfortable with PHP, I highly reccomend their manual.  
>>>  There's a CHM (M$
>>>  compiled HTML format) manual which I tend to leave open on 
>>>  my desktop, as
>>>  it's easy to search, and full of good info.  There's also 
>>>  any number of
>>>  books available on programming with PHP and MySQL.  I've 
>>>  got a few PDF
>>>  copies lying around...  And of course I'd be happy to try 
>>>  and answer any
>>>  questions, or there's probably a support mailing list or 
>>>  forum too, which
>>>  are a wealth of information.
>>>  
>>>  About having a site off SF, I see no problem, as long as 
>>>  we can have some
>>>  automation of the mirroring, for backup and redundancy (in 
>>>  addition to
>>>  Apache, PHP4 and 5 when it's stable, MySQL and secure FTP 
>>>  access).  Just add
>>>  a "mirrors" link, or simply links to both sites on the first page.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:16 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  >
>>>  > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
>>>  > (www.sqlite.org)
>>>  >
>>>  > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
>>>  > many php developers and site manager softwares
>>>  > available.
>>>  >
>>>  > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
>>>  > the best choice.
>>>  >
>>>  > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
>>>  > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
>>>  > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
>>>  >
>>>  > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > --
>>>  > Raymond Irving
>>>  >
>>>  > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
>>>  > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
>>>  > >
>>>  > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
>>>  > > member directory and
>>>  > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
>>>  > >
>>>  > > But however...the question was about programming
>>>  > > language and not
>>>  > > databases or not :)
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Regards
>>>  > > Daniel
>>>  > >
>>>  > > -----Original Message-----
>>>  > > From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>>>  > > Behalf Of Cristian
>>>  > > Grigoriu
>>>  > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
>>>  > > To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
>>>  > > database driven?
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
>>>  > > However, for a poll we
>>>  > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
>>>  > > definitely need a
>>>  > > server-side scripting technology.
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > Daniel
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Grig
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > > What programming language do you think we should
>>>  > > use for the
>>>  > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
>>>  > > do we have
>>>  > > > any options?
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
>>>  > > we should stay away
>>>  > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
>>>  > > Otherwise, I would
>>>  > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
>>>  > > portable.
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > > What do you say?
>>>  > > > > Regards
>>>  > > > > Daniel
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Grig
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > -------------------------------------------------------
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>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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>>>  > > Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >
>>>  > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
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>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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>>>  > > Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >
>>>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
>>>  >
>>>  >
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>>>  > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
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>>>  >
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>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

Yes php or perl to mysql (if needed). I hope the cgi would be implemented
as Apache modules. Though for an IIS server choice I don't know if the
php/perl server extensions are available.

-
Kevin


> For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
> (www.sqlite.org)
> 
> For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
> many php developers and site manager softwares
> available. 
> 
> Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
> the best choice.
> 
> If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
> could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
> so we could use phpwebsites, etc
> 
> The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
> --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
> > 
> > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
> > member directory and
> > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
> > 
> > But however...the question was about programming
> > language and not
> > databases or not :)
> > 
> > Regards
> > Daniel
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dyn...@li...
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> > Behalf Of Cristian
> > Grigoriu
> > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
> > To: dyn...@li...
> > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> > 
> > 
> > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
> > database driven?
> > 
> > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
> > However, for a poll we
> > still don't need a database backend :) but we
> > definitely need a
> > server-side scripting technology.
> > 
> > > Daniel
> > 
> > Grig
> > 
> > > > What programming language do you think we should
> > use for the 
> > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
> > do we have
> > > any options?
> > >
> > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
> > we should stay away 
> > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
> > Otherwise, I would 
> > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
> > portable.
> > >
> > > > What do you say?
> > > > Regards
> > > > Daniel
> > >
> > > Grig
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------
> > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dynapi-Help mailing list
> > Dyn...@li...
> >
> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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> > Dyn...@li...
> >
> http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
> 
> 
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> Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
> http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> 
> 
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> Welcome to geek heaven.
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>
> Yes php or perl to mysql (if needed). I hope the cgi would be implemented
> as Apache modules.

Not sure if you mean any CGI apps be written as Apache modules (which are
typically written in C and compiled into Apache, or as DSO *.so files), or
if you mean the scripting language's interpreter be a module (as in mod_php
or mod_perl, as opposed to a CGI version of php or perl typically placed in
/usr/bin or /usr/local/bin).  Assuming you meant the latter.

> Though for an IIS server choice I don't know if the
> php/perl server extensions are available.

I think Perl and PHP have some ISAPI interface (if that's the right thing).
It's been a long time since I played with IIS.  But I think the performance
is severely degraded on IIS, not to mention all the vulnerabilities, etc.
which may have nothing to due with the Perl or PHP modules, but with
libraries they're compiled against for use in windows (i.e. dependent on
potentially vulnerable code).  But that said, even if it's a Linux or
FreeBSD server, it's only as secure as sysadmin makes it with the updated
software and proper configs.

> -
> Kevin
>
>
> > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
> > (www.sqlite.org)
> >
> > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
> > many php developers and site manager softwares
> > available.
> >
> > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
> > the best choice.
> >
> > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
> > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
> > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
> >
> > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
> > >
> > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
> > > member directory and
> > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
> > >
> > > But however...the question was about programming
> > > language and not
> > > databases or not :)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dyn...@li...
> > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> > > Behalf Of Cristian
> > > Grigoriu
> > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
> > > To: dyn...@li...
> > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> > >
> > >
> > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
> > > database driven?
> > >
> > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
> > > However, for a poll we
> > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
> > > definitely need a
> > > server-side scripting technology.
> > >
> > > > Daniel
> > >
> > > Grig
> > >
> > > > > What programming language do you think we should
> > > use for the
> > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
> > > do we have
> > > > any options?
> > > >
> > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
> > > we should stay away
> > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
> > > Otherwise, I would
> > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
> > > portable.
> > > >
> > > > > What do you say?
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > > Grig
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dynapi-Help mailing list
> > > Dyn...@li...
> > >
> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
> > > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Dyn...@li...
> > >
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
> >
> >
> > __________________________________
> > Do you Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software
> > http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
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> > Welcome to geek heaven.
> > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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> > Dyn...@li...
> > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
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> Welcome to geek heaven.
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>
>

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

>>>  Though for an IIS server choice I don't 
>>>  know if the php/perl server extensions are available.

They usually are installed with a decent host.

 
Christopher Kissinger


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Kevin
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:23 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Yes php or perl to mysql (if needed). I hope the cgi would 
>>>  be implemented
>>>  as Apache modules. Though for an IIS server choice I don't 
>>>  know if the
>>>  php/perl server extensions are available.
>>>  
>>>  -
>>>  Kevin
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
>>>  > (www.sqlite.org)
>>>  > 
>>>  > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
>>>  > many php developers and site manager softwares
>>>  > available. 
>>>  > 
>>>  > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
>>>  > the best choice.
>>>  > 
>>>  > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
>>>  > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
>>>  > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
>>>  > 
>>>  > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
>>>  > 
>>>  > 
>>>  > --
>>>  > Raymond Irving
>>>  > 
>>>  > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
>>>  > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
>>>  > > member directory and
>>>  > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > But however...the question was about programming
>>>  > > language and not
>>>  > > databases or not :)
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Regards
>>>  > > Daniel
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > -----Original Message-----
>>>  > > From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>>>  > > Behalf Of Cristian
>>>  > > Grigoriu
>>>  > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
>>>  > > To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
>>>  > > database driven?
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
>>>  > > However, for a poll we
>>>  > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
>>>  > > definitely need a
>>>  > > server-side scripting technology.
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > Daniel
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Grig
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > > What programming language do you think we should
>>>  > > use for the 
>>>  > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
>>>  > > do we have
>>>  > > > any options?
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
>>>  > > we should stay away 
>>>  > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
>>>  > > Otherwise, I would 
>>>  > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
>>>  > > portable.
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > > What do you say?
>>>  > > > > Regards
>>>  > > > > Daniel
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Grig
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > >
>>>  > -------------------------------------------------------
>>>  > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
>>>  > > _______________________________________________
>>>  > > Dynapi-Help mailing list
>>>  > > Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >
>>>  > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > >
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>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
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>>>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
>>>  > 
>>>  > 
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>>>  > 
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>>>