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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello.

>Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?

Raymond Irving --> One of the DynAPI developers.

>And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
>logos?

Yes, we know that there is some logos. Currently there is several different 
logos and looks used in different places. There is no clearly single logo or 
single images in use. The goal was to design a better logo if possible and 
promote DynAPI image.

>Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?

Yes we do. We are actively supporting DynAPI development. This logo project 
was one of the action taken (not the only one), and it was started because 
we ware requested to do some suggestions.

It's up to DynAPI community to decide if our suggestions are good enough. 
It's up to DynAPI community to decide if they want to use logo designed by 
us. Logo and mark are designed open source in mind, it is open source as 
well (the font, which is used to create the image is commercial, but the 
image it self, ei. mark + logo, is opensource).

We are not trying to own DynAPI or anything. It's in our interest though 
that DynAPI is being actively developed and that DynAPI has a strong image.

>Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
>company was "asked to design a logo" for this open-source project,
>when yet there has been to mention of this to the actuall developers
>of the project. It would seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
>asking your neighbor what color they want their house painted- when
>they do not even know you intend to paint their house.

I have discussed about this matter with Raymond and even though I haven't 
been very active in development I consider my self and our technical manager 
Jukka Kortela as DynAPI developers as well.

>If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
>appologize immediatly.

>Anyone?

Raymond Irving. Your appologize is accepted. :-)


- Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
  http://www.visualway.com/helmi

>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?






>From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:03:40 -0400
>
>Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
>And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
>logos?
>
>Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
>
>Just wondering.
>
>Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your company
>was
>"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
>been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It would
>seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what color
>they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
>paint their house.
>
>If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will appologize
>immediatly.
>
>Anyone?
>
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

First of all, thank you for your comments.

>I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested 
>modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- 
>like the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly
>thing and API the same color.

Someone at our office described the swirly thing as "visionary". Our Graphic 
designer (the one who has designed the suggestions) likse #2 best also. Our 
communications consultant thought, like you did, that font needs some 
touchup (she liked #2 best as well).

>P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free. Any chance of 
>getting hold of a free font that can be used for the
>logo text?

It shouldn't be a problem if logo uses commercial font. --> Actually logo 
doesn't use the font but the vector outline created based on font. It's a 
image, which isn't used like font is. There for there is no legal problems 
related in to use of these DynAPI logos in opensource project.

>P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop
>or Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made
>available as well?

I believe that the program used for these logo suggestions was Freehand. We 
may make original design files available as well... and we may reproduce 
version suitable for your needs (including WMF, AI, Freehand, PNG or any 
other). We would like to do that after we have found the direction (more 
finalized design files), but if you (or any one else) need it right now, ask 
and we will deliver.


>From: "Leif W" <war...@us...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 08:29:05 -0400
>
>My 2 cents:
>
>First of all, thanks to your company for the support and effort.
>Unfortunately I don't care too much for any of the designs, but of the six,
>I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested
>modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- 
>like
>the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly thing and API the same color.
>
>Leif
>
>P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free.  Any chance of
>getting hold of a free font that can be used for the logo text?
>
>P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop or
>Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made available
>as well?
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
>Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It 
>didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
>is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
>and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as 
>DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

>I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
>easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
>like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
>would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
>without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)

Some information about relation of logo and trademark. (Just for background 
information.)

By definition logo (ie. logotype) is the font used to regonize the company. 
The mark, sing or symbol (what ever it is called, I don't know the excact 
translation for finnish word "liikemerkki" in english, trademark could be 
the closest one) is currently (after graphical applications and print 
technology has evolved) commonly used with logotype. That's the reason why 
people commonly think that the trademark equals to logo.

Trademark can be designed so that it can be used with or without logotype. 
Even in if trademark would be used without the actual logotype, there is 
logotype which is designed to be used with trademark.

>From: Raymond Irving <xw...@ya...>
>To: dyn...@li...
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 07:29:32 -0700 (PDT)
>
>
>--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had
> > designed for DynAPI 2?
>
>I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
>easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
>like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
>would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
>without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)
>
> > There where a few very nice ones.
>
>Well, I would also like to see them.
>
>
>--
>Raymond Irving
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > by our company. It didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > logo design. --> The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > websites, prints and online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > The reason is red is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > that much used as blue
> > is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > personal favorites are 2
> > and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > we could use as DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

As it has became clear allready (I think) we are doing this logo project for 
free. DynAPI has it's value for us.

- Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
  http://www.visualway.com/helmi


>From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 10:33:37 -0400
>
>Raymond.
>Can you see things from my perspective?
>I'm sitting here reading the list when some company I've never heard of
>before (there was no mention of the editor) say's "we've been asked to..."
>And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list. Having had some 
>experience
>with several open source projects. Also some experienece with protecting
>DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have worked with.. ( "Can't we
>just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am naturally defensive
>when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a graphic design company says,
>"we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who had asked them. If there
>had been som warning of this, I would most certainly not have jumped to the
>conclusions I had.
>
>As I had assumed they where a graphic design company, I didn't think it
>likly that they would be doing this for free. Therfore the question
>remained: Who was paying for someone to design a logo for DynAPI? Did some
>corporation somewhere think they where going to buy, or package DynAPI? IF
>so, WHO?!?
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
>To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
><dyn...@li...>
>Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>
>
> >
> > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > > Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> > > 3?
> >
> > I did
> >
> > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > already have on eo tmore
> > > logos?
> >
> > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
> > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
> > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
> > creation. They've invested some time into research,
> > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
> > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
> > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
> > lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.
> >
> > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > open-source software?
> >
> > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
> > principles of open-source software. I personally asked
> > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> >
> > > Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > strange that your company
> > > was
> > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > project, when yet there has
> > > been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> > > the project. It would
> > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> > > your neighbor what color
> > > they want their house painted- when they do not even
> > > know you intend to
> > > paint their house.
> >
> > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
> > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > about it. Many of the past developers are either just
> > watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
> > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
> > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
> > a _new_ website.
> > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > house would look better if it was colored in blue and
> > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > would first have to design you a model of the house
> > painted in blue and white.
> >
> > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> > > then I will appologize
> > > immediatly.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > > logos.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > >
> > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > > logo design. --> The
> > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > > was credibility and
> > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > websites, prints and online
> > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > > in prints).
> > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > > The reason is red is
> > > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > > that much used as blue
> > > is.
> > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > personal favorites are 2
> > > and
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

>How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking. I didn't
>use a font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot 
>of the PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size
>again.  :-)

The green works in way well in the type. I would say that orange lines 
balance on the other hand, but on the otherhand they seem to be a bit too 
much. I'll pass this example to our designer for further toughts.

- Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
  http://www.visualway.com/helmi

>From: "Leif W" <war...@us...>
>To: <dyn...@li...>
>Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
>Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 14:41:18 -0400
>
>How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use 
>a
>font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of the
>PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)
>
>Regarding the logos at
>http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
>all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that 
>maybe
>weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
>logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones 
>that
>looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
>the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
>integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
>draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.
>
>Any comments?
>
>Leif
>
>P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to 
>STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
>cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
>misinterpretations.
>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.  
>Expend
>less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
>appologize later.
>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
>introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose (i.e.
>motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
>hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously invested
>effort.
>
>P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
>of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
>contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.
><< DynAPI_Logo-000.gif >>


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Well then, I really am sorry.

As for the aformantioned logos, I would have to agree with Leif.
I don't particularly like any of them..

I could be just the quality of the images in your PDF..
but they don't look as 'crisp' as I am accustomed to in a "commercial" logo.
They seem somewhat pixelated.

I'm not going to argue colors.. but I will argue that the logo should have a
crisp
look to it.. smooth edges and a definate lack of pixelated edges..

Of all the ones you posted, I like the first one most (or dislike it the
least? <grin> )

What is the font called? Maybe we can find a free equivlent. Or even make
one. We could then create an anti-aliased version of the logo.

To the rest of the team: does anyone have ANY of the old logos?
I will try to find some of them myself.. but if anyone's hardrive has not
blown up ten times in the last two years, maybe one of you would still have
the old logos (and there where a lot of them) in an archive somewhere.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <do...@cr...>; <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello.
>
> >Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
>
> Raymond Irving --> One of the DynAPI developers.
>
> >And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
> >logos?
>
> Yes, we know that there is some logos. Currently there is several
different
> logos and looks used in different places. There is no clearly single logo
or
> single images in use. The goal was to design a better logo if possible and
> promote DynAPI image.
>
> >Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
>
> Yes we do. We are actively supporting DynAPI development. This logo
project
> was one of the action taken (not the only one), and it was started because
> we ware requested to do some suggestions.
>
> It's up to DynAPI community to decide if our suggestions are good enough.
> It's up to DynAPI community to decide if they want to use logo designed by
> us. Logo and mark are designed open source in mind, it is open source as
> well (the font, which is used to create the image is commercial, but the
> image it self, ei. mark + logo, is opensource).
>
> We are not trying to own DynAPI or anything. It's in our interest though
> that DynAPI is being actively developed and that DynAPI has a strong
image.
>
> >Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
> >company was "asked to design a logo" for this open-source project,
> >when yet there has been to mention of this to the actuall developers
> >of the project. It would seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> >asking your neighbor what color they want their house painted- when
> >they do not even know you intend to paint their house.
>
> I have discussed about this matter with Raymond and even though I haven't
> been very active in development I consider my self and our technical
manager
> Jukka Kortela as DynAPI developers as well.
>
> >If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
> >appologize immediatly.
>
> >Anyone?
>
> Raymond Irving. Your appologize is accepted. :-)
>
>
> - Juho Risku / Helmi Staff
>   http://www.visualway.com/helmi
>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> >Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It
> >didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. -->
The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and
online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red
is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as
blue
> >is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are
2
> >and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as
> >DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >Date: Mon, 5 May 2003 00:03:40 -0400
> >
> >Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
> >And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
> >logos?
> >
> >Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?
> >
> >Just wondering.
> >
> >Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your
company
> >was
> >"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
> >been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It
would
> >seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what
color
> >they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
> >paint their house.
> >
> >If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will
appologize
> >immediatly.
> >
> >Anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> >To: <dyn...@li...>
> >Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> >Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It
> >didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. -->
The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and
online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red
is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as
blue
> >is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are
2
> >and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as
> >DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
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