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[Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI in general and support for NS4

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

Hello Everyone,

Are  NS4 <layer> elements allowed to be resized after page load.
If not we shouldn't have a general setSize method. The initial
size of a layer can't really be increased. I know <div> elements
can but should setSize allow this in writing cross browser code?

If DynAPI offers support for NS4 should we only have code in
CVS that works in NS4. I can't get the addHTML or blackboard
stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?

Is it possible for an element to have '_created' set before addChild()
is called? I'm refering to the call to c._create() in addChild().

Dynamically changing an element's style border/position/class? It's
allowed at the moment and may cause problems. e.g. setting border
after page load would behave differently cross browser. Also setting
'position:absolute' to 'position:relative' is meaningless. Perhaps these
set methods could be initBorder() / initPosition() / initClass() /
initSize() and just return null if called on a rendered element.

Kevin.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI in general and support for NS4

[Dan W. <da...@wi...>]

On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 15:01, Kevin wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Are  NS4 <layer> elements allowed to be resized after page load.
> If not we shouldn't have a general setSize method. The initial
> size of a layer can't really be increased. I know <div> elements
> can but should setSize allow this in writing cross browser code?
> 
> If DynAPI offers support for NS4 should we only have code in
> CVS that works in NS4. I can't get the addHTML or blackboard
> stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?
> 
> Is it possible for an element to have '_created' set before addChild()
> is called? I'm refering to the call to c._create() in addChild().
> 
> Dynamically changing an element's style border/position/class? It's
> allowed at the moment and may cause problems. e.g. setting border
> after page load would behave differently cross browser. Also setting
> 'position:absolute' to 'position:relative' is meaningless. Perhaps these
> set methods could be initBorder() / initPosition() / initClass() /
> initSize() and just return null if called on a rendered element.
> 
> Kevin.
> 

If I am not mistaken, we have successfully inmplemented many of these
functions in the 2.5.x releases, there are workarounds.  If we do what
this suggests, it takes away what DynAPI is good for, DHTML.

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI in general and support for NS4

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

"Dan Willemsen" <da...@wi...> wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-04-21 at 15:01, Kevin wrote:
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > Are  NS4 <layer> elements allowed to be resized after page load.
> > If not we shouldn't have a general setSize method. The initial
> > size of a layer can't really be increased. I know <div> elements
> > can but should setSize allow this in writing cross browser code?
> > 
> > If DynAPI offers support for NS4 should we only have code in
> > CVS that works in NS4. I can't get the addHTML or blackboard
> > stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?
> > 
> > Is it possible for an element to have '_created' set before addChild()
> > is called? I'm refering to the call to c._create() in addChild().
> > 
> > Dynamically changing an element's style border/position/class? It's
> > allowed at the moment and may cause problems. e.g. setting border
> > after page load would behave differently cross browser. Also setting
> > 'position:absolute' to 'position:relative' is meaningless. Perhaps these
> > set methods could be initBorder() / initPosition() / initClass() /
> > initSize() and just return null if called on a rendered element.
> > 
> > Kevin.
> > 
> 
> If I am not mistaken, we have successfully inmplemented many of these
> functions in the 2.5.x releases, there are workarounds.  If we do what
> this suggests, it takes away what DynAPI is good for, DHTML.

It suggests we support NS4 level DHTML. If other facilities are allowed
e.g. dynamically increasing the size of a div and letting it reflow content.
DynAPI's list of supported browsers includes NS4 this suggests that it
will work in NS4.

 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI in general and support for NS4

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI in general and support for NS4

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> Are  NS4 <layer> elements allowed to be resized
> after page load.
> If not we shouldn't have a general setSize method.
> The initial
> size of a layer can't really be increased. I know
> <div> elements
> can but should setSize allow this in writing cross
> browser code?
> 
> If DynAPI offers support for NS4 should we only have
> code in
> CVS that works in NS4. I can't get the addHTML or
> blackboard
> stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?

Yea, NS4 <layers> are a real pain. There might be a
solution to the black board problem, but for the
addHTML() I think there might be a work around.
 
> Is it possible for an element to have '_created' set
> before addChild()
> is called? I'm refering to the call to c._create()
> in addChild().

Yes, It is posible. When the page loads the _created
property is set on all layers. If the parent is
already created then it's time to create the child
otherwise it will be ignored in the addChild()

> Dynamically changing an element's style
> border/position/class? It's
> allowed at the moment and may cause problems. e.g.
> setting border
> after page load would behave differently cross
> browser. Also setting
> 'position:absolute' to 'position:relative' is
> meaningless. Perhaps these
> set methods could be initBorder() / initPosition() /
> initClass() /
> initSize() and just return null if called on a
> rendered element.

Well setPosition() and setClass() should work fine for
modern browsers. setBorder() is currently works fine
in ie but is having some problems with mozilla, opera,
etc when the clip property is set. Does anyone have a
work around to this?

Most features will/should degrade gracefully in older
browsers. So a function like setPosition() after page
load is not support in NS4, but that's not to say that
it can't work for other browsers, correct? The same
goes for setCursor() which is not supported NS4 but
the others will make good use of it.

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[Dynapi-Dev] Re:Blackboard using NS4 on Linux

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> ... I can't get the addHTML or
> blackboard
> stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?

What problems are you currenlty having with the
blackboard on ns4 linux?

I've just tested in on ns4 windows and dont see any
problems. If you can please provide a working example
or a screenshot or both.


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re:Blackboard using NS4 on Linux

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

"Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:

> 
> --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> > ... I can't get the addHTML or
> > blackboard
> > stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?
> 
> What problems are you currenlty having with the
> blackboard on ns4 linux?
> 
> I've just tested in on ns4 windows and dont see any
> problems. If you can please provide a working example
> or a screenshot or both.

Yes it works on Windows NS4. I tested it on Linux Redhat
7.2 NS4. Just click on the Blackboard example the browser
crashes and the window disappears.

navigator.userAgent:
Mozilla/4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) 

Redhat NS4 comes as a binary distribution. Maybe the
blackboard was tested against a different version as I think
you have Redhat version 8.?

-
Kevin.

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re:Blackboard using NS4 on Linux

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hmm.... Very strange you! I don't have redhat 7 or ns4
for redhat, but from my experience NS4 normally crash
if it stumbles upon some incorrect html. Please see
the attacked file. It contains updates to the
blackboard. If after running the example it still
crashes ns4 then try and comment out the html code
inside the change() function of the example page.

Let me know what the results are.

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--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> 
> "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> > > ... I can't get the addHTML or
> > > blackboard
> > > stuff to work in NS4 on Linux?
> > 
> > What problems are you currenlty having with the
> > blackboard on ns4 linux?
> > 
> > I've just tested in on ns4 windows and dont see
> any
> > problems. If you can please provide a working
> example
> > or a screenshot or both.
> 
> Yes it works on Windows NS4. I tested it on Linux
> Redhat
> 7.2 NS4. Just click on the Blackboard example the
> browser
> crashes and the window disappears.
> 
> navigator.userAgent:
> Mozilla/4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.18 i686) 
> 
> Redhat NS4 comes as a binary distribution. Maybe the
> blackboard was tested against a different version as
> I think
> you have Redhat version 8.?
> 
> -
> Kevin.
> 
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > 
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