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[Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Joy R. <joy...@ho...>]

Hello,

Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF 
containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't 
go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.

http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf

Few comments about the PDF.

1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The 
results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and 
looking "large" gives propably some.
2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the 
usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online 
manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is 
understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue is.
3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2 and 
4.

So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI 
logo from nowon? Votes?

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had designed for DynAPI 2?
There where a few very nice ones.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Does anyone have all (or any) of the logos we had
> designed for DynAPI 2?

I view a logo as a symbol, or trademark designed for
easy and definite recognition. I _personally_ don't
like the idea of only using the name as a logo. I
would rather like to see a symbol been used with or
without the name. (Microsoft Windows for example)

> There where a few very nice ones.

Well, I would also like to see them.


--
Raymond Irving


> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> by our company. It didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> that much used as blue
> is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> personal favorites are 2
> and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> we could use as DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI 3?
And why? Did it not occur to them that we may already have on eo tmore
logos?

Does your company simply have no respect for open-source software?

Just wondering.

Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit strange that your company
was
"asked to design a logo" for this open-source project, when yet there has
been to mention of this to the actuall developers of the project. It would
seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking your neighbor what color
they want their house painted- when they do not even know you intend to
paint their house.

If someone from the Project has indeed approched you then I will appologize
immediatly.

Anyone?




----- Original Message -----
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> 3?

I did

> And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> already have on eo tmore
> logos?

Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
(I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
creation. They've invested some time into research,
designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.

> Does your company simply have no respect for
> open-source software?

A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
principles of open-source software. I personally asked
him to design the logos and then post them to the
group to get their feedback on the new ideas.

> Just wondering.
> 
> Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> strange that your company
> was
> "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> project, when yet there has
> been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> the project. It would
> seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> your neighbor what color
> they want their house painted- when they do not even
> know you intend to
> paint their house.

Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
about it. Many of the past developers are either just
watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
a _new_ website. 
IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
someone should approach you and said I think your
house would look better if it was colored in blue and
white? But before they can even approach you they
would first have to design you a model of the house
painted in blue and white. 
 
> If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> then I will appologize
> immediatly.
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> I tried to post PDF
> > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> by our company. It didn't
> > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> logos.
> >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> >
> > Few comments about the PDF.
> >
> > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> logo design. --> The
> > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> was credibility and
> > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> wanted to maximize the
> > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> websites, prints and online
> > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> in prints).
> > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> The reason is red is
> > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> that much used as blue
> is.
> > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> personal favorites are 2
> and
> > 4.
> >
> > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> we could use as DynAPI
> > logo from nowon? Votes?
> >
> >
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Raymond.
Can you see things from my perspective?
I'm sitting here reading the list when some company I've never heard of
before (there was no mention of the editor) say's "we've been asked to..."
And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list. Having had some experience
with several open source projects. Also some experienece with protecting
DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have worked with.. ( "Can't we
just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am naturally defensive
when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a graphic design company says,
"we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who had asked them. If there
had been som warning of this, I would most certainly not have jumped to the
conclusions I had.

As I had assumed they where a graphic design company, I didn't think it
likly that they would be doing this for free. Therfore the question
remained: Who was paying for someone to design a logo for DynAPI? Did some
corporation somewhere think they where going to buy, or package DynAPI? IF
so, WHO?!?



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
<dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


>
> --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Who asked your company to design a logo for DynAPI
> > 3?
>
> I did
>
> > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > already have on eo tmore
> > logos?
>
> Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> displayed on the dynapi website or used in the distros
> (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing a
> WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side object
> creation. They've invested some time into research,
> designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get some
> new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some of
> hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better if a
> lot more companies would see the benefits of the API.
>
> > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > open-source software?
>
> A proposal for new logos designs does not violate the
> principles of open-source software. I personally asked
> him to design the logos and then post them to the
> group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
>
> > Just wondering.
> >
> > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > strange that your company
> > was
> > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > project, when yet there has
> > been to mention of this to the actuall developers of
> > the project. It would
> > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to asking
> > your neighbor what color
> > they want their house painted- when they do not even
> > know you intend to
> > paint their house.
>
> Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> what was considered a new design for the DynAPI web
> site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> about it. Many of the past developers are either just
> watching the list or just don't care anymore! There is
> only a few of us left, so I think it it would be cool
> if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and even
> a _new_ website.
> IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> someone should approach you and said I think your
> house would look better if it was colored in blue and
> white? But before they can even approach you they
> would first have to design you a model of the house
> painted in blue and white.
>
> > If someone from the Project has indeed approched you
> > then I will appologize
> > immediatly.
> >
> > Anyone?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3.
> > I tried to post PDF
> > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed
> > by our company. It didn't
> > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing
> > logos.
> > >
> > > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > >
> > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > >
> > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to
> > logo design. --> The
> > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals
> > was credibility and
> > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > wanted to maximize the
> > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > websites, prints and online
> > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work
> > in prints).
> > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color.
> > The reason is red is
> > > understood as color of technology, but it is not
> > that much used as blue
> > is.
> > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > personal favorites are 2
> > and
> > > 4.
> > >
> > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one
> > we could use as DynAPI
> > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > >
> > >
> >
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> > >
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Well I understand and I'm sorry for not firstly
informing the group of this idea. It's just that I
like change and I have a vision of what DynAPI can
become... the next Windows (not Microsoft) of the web.
Well, that might sound far fetched but it's a dream!


--
Raymond Irving


--- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> Raymond.
> Can you see things from my perspective?
> I'm sitting here reading the list when some company
> I've never heard of
> before (there was no mention of the editor) say's
> "we've been asked to..."
> And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list.
> Having had some experience
> with several open source projects. Also some
> experienece with protecting
> DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have
> worked with.. ( "Can't we
> just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am
> naturally defensive
> when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a
> graphic design company says,
> "we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who
> had asked them. If there
> had been som warning of this, I would most certainly
> not have jumped to the
> conclusions I had.
> 
> As I had assumed they where a graphic design
> company, I didn't think it
> likly that they would be doing this for free.
> Therfore the question
> remained: Who was paying for someone to design a
> logo for DynAPI? Did some
> corporation somewhere think they where going to buy,
> or package DynAPI? IF
> so, WHO?!?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
> <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> 
> 
> >
> > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...>
> wrote:
> > > Who asked your company to design a logo for
> DynAPI
> > > 3?
> >
> > I did
> >
> > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > already have on eo tmore
> > > logos?
> >
> > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the
> distros
> > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing
> a
> > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side
> object
> > creation. They've invested some time into
> research,
> > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get
> some
> > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some
> of
> > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better
> if a
> > lot more companies would see the benefits of the
> API.
> >
> > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > open-source software?
> >
> > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate
> the
> > principles of open-source software. I personally
> asked
> > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> >
> > > Just wondering.
> > >
> > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > strange that your company
> > > was
> > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > project, when yet there has
> > > been to mention of this to the actuall
> developers of
> > > the project. It would
> > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> asking
> > > your neighbor what color
> > > they want their house painted- when they do not
> even
> > > know you intend to
> > > paint their house.
> >
> > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI
> web
> > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > about it. Many of the past developers are either
> just
> > watching the list or just don't care anymore!
> There is
> > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be
> cool
> > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and
> even
> > a _new_ website.
> > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > house would look better if it was colored in blue
> and
> > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > would first have to design you a model of the
> house
> > painted in blue and white.
> >
> > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched
> you
> > > then I will appologize
> > > immediatly.
> > >
> > > Anyone?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > Our company was asked to design logo for
> DynAPI3.
> > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3
> designed
> > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files
> containing
> > > logos.
> > > >
> > > >
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > >
> > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach
> in to
> > > logo design. --> The
> > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the
> goals
> > > was credibility and
> > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > websites, prints and online
> > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not
> work
> > > in prints).
> > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main
> color.
> > > The reason is red is
> > > > understood as color of technology, but it is
> not
> > > that much used as blue
> > > is.
> > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > personal favorites are 2
> > > and
> > > > 4.
> > > >
> > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a
> one
> > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
_________________________________________________________________
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Not so far-fetched actually..
There is no reason at all that we could not produce a "desktop"
in DynAPI.. Helll.. with window's active desktop we could literally produce
a desktop..

:-)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


>
> Well I understand and I'm sorry for not firstly
> informing the group of this idea. It's just that I
> like change and I have a vision of what DynAPI can
> become... the next Windows (not Microsoft) of the web.
> Well, that might sound far fetched but it's a dream!
>
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
> --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...> wrote:
> > Raymond.
> > Can you see things from my perspective?
> > I'm sitting here reading the list when some company
> > I've never heard of
> > before (there was no mention of the editor) say's
> > "we've been asked to..."
> > And yet there was _NO_ mention of it in the list.
> > Having had some experience
> > with several open source projects. Also some
> > experienece with protecting
> > DynAPI from one or more commercial entity I have
> > worked with.. ( "Can't we
> > just rename it and sell it with the product?" ) I am
> > naturally defensive
> > when out of the blue, what seems to me to be a
> > graphic design company says,
> > "we've been asked to.." I was simply wondering who
> > had asked them. If there
> > had been som warning of this, I would most certainly
> > not have jumped to the
> > conclusions I had.
> >
> > As I had assumed they where a graphic design
> > company, I didn't think it
> > likly that they would be doing this for free.
> > Therfore the question
> > remained: Who was paying for someone to design a
> > logo for DynAPI? Did some
> > corporation somewhere think they where going to buy,
> > or package DynAPI? IF
> > so, WHO?!?
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> > To: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>;
> > <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 10:20 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --- Doug Melvin <do...@cr...>
> > wrote:
> > > > Who asked your company to design a logo for
> > DynAPI
> > > > 3?
> > >
> > > I did
> > >
> > > > And why? Did it not occur to them that we may
> > > > already have on eo tmore
> > > > logos?
> > >
> > > Well I far as I can see there weren't any logos
> > > displayed on the dynapi website or used in the
> > distros
> > > (I stand corrected). Juhu's company is developing
> > a
> > > WYSIWYG editor that uses DynAPI for client-side
> > object
> > > creation. They've invested some time into
> > research,
> > > designs, etc. On such basis I said why not get
> > some
> > > new logo ideas? So I asked him to scheduled some
> > of
> > > hos graphic designers, programmers to aid with the
> > > development of the API, etc. I don't see anything
> > > wrong with new ideas? And it would be even better
> > if a
> > > lot more companies would see the benefits of the
> > API.
> > >
> > > > Does your company simply have no respect for
> > > > open-source software?
> > >
> > > A proposal for new logos designs does not violate
> > the
> > > principles of open-source software. I personally
> > asked
> > > him to design the logos and then post them to the
> > > group to get their feedback on the new ideas.
> > >
> > > > Just wondering.
> > > >
> > > > Don't take this too harshly, but it seems  a bit
> > > > strange that your company
> > > > was
> > > > "asked to design a logo" for this open-source
> > > > project, when yet there has
> > > > been to mention of this to the actuall
> > developers of
> > > > the project. It would
> > > > seem to me that this is somewhat similar to
> > asking
> > > > your neighbor what color
> > > > they want their house painted- when they do not
> > even
> > > > know you intend to
> > > > paint their house.
> > >
> > > Not so at all. Sometime ago Jordi posted a link of
> > > what was considered a new design for the DynAPI
> > web
> > > site. Up to this day I've not heard anything more
> > > about it. Many of the past developers are either
> > just
> > > watching the list or just don't care anymore!
> > There is
> > > only a few of us left, so I think it it would be
> > cool
> > > if we can get some _new_ ideas, _new_ designs and
> > even
> > > a _new_ website.
> > > IMO there's nothing wrong with a proposal. What if
> > > someone should approach you and said I think your
> > > house would look better if it was colored in blue
> > and
> > > white? But before they can even approach you they
> > > would first have to design you a model of the
> > house
> > > painted in blue and white.
> > >
> > > > If someone from the Project has indeed approched
> > you
> > > > then I will appologize
> > > > immediatly.
> > > >
> > > > Anyone?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
> > > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
> > > > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > Our company was asked to design logo for
> > DynAPI3.
> > > > I tried to post PDF
> > > > > containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3
> > designed
> > > > by our company. It didn't
> > > > > go trough. Here is a link to PDF files
> > containing
> > > > logos.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > > Few comments about the PDF.
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach
> > in to
> > > > logo design. --> The
> > > > > results are somewhat corporative. One of the
> > goals
> > > > was credibility and
> > > > > looking "large" gives propably some.
> > > > > 2) Design approach is taken partly because we
> > > > wanted to maximize the
> > > > > usability of logo. These ones can be used in
> > > > websites, prints and online
> > > > > manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not
> > work
> > > > in prints).
> > > > > 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main
> > color.
> > > > The reason is red is
> > > > > understood as color of technology, but it is
> > not
> > > > that much used as blue
> > > > is.
> > > > > 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My
> > > > personal favorites are 2
> > > > and
> > > > > 4.
> > > > >
> > > > > So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a
> > one
> > > > we could use as DynAPI
> > > > > logo from nowon? Votes?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use a
font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of the
PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)

Regarding the logos at
http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that maybe
weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones that
looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.

Any comments?

Leif

P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to STFU).
       1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
misinterpretations.
       2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.  Expend
less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
appologize later.
       3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose (i.e.
motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously invested
effort.

P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

See below:

--- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need
> tweaking.  I didn't use a
> font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap
> of a screenshot of the
> PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size
> again.  :-)
> 
> Regarding the logos at
>
http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip
> , I first excluded
> all the ones that looked like an accident, then
> excluded the ones that maybe
> weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones
> that didn't have some
> logo attempt (since that was stated as an
> objective), excluded the ones that
> looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then
> noticed looks a lot like
> the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing
> another look, I just
> integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF)
> and added some lines to
> draw the attention from the logo, across the word,
> focussing on API.
> 
> Any comments?

I like this logo design. The swirl looks great with
the "DynAPI" and the colors IMO complements each
other.
 
> Leif
> 
> P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I
> don't get told to STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or
> communications, if only to
> cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note
> to the group to avoid
> misinterpretations.
>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not
> have all the info.  Expend
> less energy by gathering more info first than by
> getting worked up only to
> appologize later.

LOL. You know, one thing that I've learnt is that it
takes a man to say I'm sorry :) It give a sense on
humility and nobility.

>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos
> suggested, but it has
> introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself
> serves a purpose (i.e.
> motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our
> own designs), so
> hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who
> so generously invested
> effort.
> 
> P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the
> API, and I've been out
> of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and
> lose motivation.  So I
> contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like
> with this logo.
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 image/gif name=DynAPI_Logo-000.gif



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 4:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> I like this logo design. The swirl looks great with
> the "DynAPI" and the colors IMO complements each
> other.

Thanks!  If I can find a suitable free font that I can use I'll gladly
incorporate it into the logo.  Can anyone suggest any font depots?

> > Leif
> >
> > P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I
> > don't get told to STFU).
> >        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or
> > communications, if only to
> > cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note
> > to the group to avoid
> > misinterpretations.
> >        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not
> > have all the info.  Expend
> > less energy by gathering more info first than by
> > getting worked up only to
> > appologize later.
>
> LOL. You know, one thing that I've learnt is that it
> takes a man to say I'm sorry :) It give a sense on
> humility and nobility.
>

BTW I was speaking from vast experience on the matter and was just noting as
an impartial 3rd party, when it's easier said than done.  :-)

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Outlook express 6 is REALLY starting to piss me off.
This is the third time I've written this email. (hence the two _BLANK_)
messages.
I assure you they where not blank until I hit send.

See comment inline. see logo prefs at end.

> How's this logo concept?  Colors and font may need tweaking.  I didn't use
a
> font so text may be chunky; I just copied the bitmap of a screenshot of
the
> PDF as big as I could get, then reduced it's size again.  :-)

Very nice. Crisp and simple. Not too many colors (too many color make for
hard time printing and scaling)

> Regarding the logos at
> http://www.creative-workshop.com/doug/dynapi_logos.zip , I first excluded
> all the ones that looked like an accident, then excluded the ones that
maybe
> weren't too clear to read, and excluded all the ones that didn't have some
> logo attempt (since that was stated as an objective), excluded the ones
that
> looked like buttons.  This left #7, which I then noticed looks a lot like
> the Win2k install logos.  So instead of reproducing another look, I just
> integrated the donated swirly logo (#2 in the PDF) and added some lines to
> draw the attention from the logo, across the word, focussing on API.

Whatever.. I had written a very clever paragraph or two here.. but am not
writting it a third time.

> Any comments?
>
> Leif
>
> P.S. Rant post-mortem: lessons learned (hopefully I don't get told to
STFU).
>        1) Can't make unilateral decisions or communications, if only to
> cover yourself later.  Best to send off a quick note to the group to avoid
> misinterpretations.

Yes.

>        2) Can't jump to conclusions, you may not have all the info.
Expend
> less energy by gathering more info first than by getting worked up only to
> appologize later.

Actually I appologized in advance this time. :-)
Point taken however.

>        3) Maybe nobody liked the specific logos suggested, but it has
> introduced some new ideas, and that in and of itself serves a purpose
(i.e.
> motivated me -- and hopefully others -- to try our own designs), so
> hopefully it's not seen as a loss by the company who so generously
invested
> effort.
> P.P.S. I know I've only contributed a little to the API, and I've been out
> of it for a while now.  Just get into a funk and lose motivation.  So I
> contribute where I can, when I find motivation, like with this logo.


Also had a vary long winded blurb here but fuck it.. the short version.
A contribution is a contribution is a contribution.
one can say the dude who seals your driveway had very little to do with
building your house..
but then, without them, your driveway would rot. no?

Every single contribution, in any size or flavour is a critical part of the
project as a whole and is appreciated by all.

---- logo prefs ----
logo.gif: crisp. clean. professional.
7.gif: see above.. but also note the squares have less detail and less
color. this makes this one more printable and scaleable.
1.gif: I do not believe that there is anything particularly wrong with the
"button" look. but you can go too far in making something look 3D.. this one
looks 3D(and hence jumps out of the page), but is not over done, resulting
in a crisp clean experience..


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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Hello,

Continuing with the current logo I was working on, I went and was searching
for fonts and just found the same font, Optima, which seems to be free (or
at least the version I found was).  That solves my chunky text problem.  Is
it possible to get my hands on the original swirly logo that was donated?
If not, I may be able to recreate it (or something similar) given another
day.  Just as sources are important to keep tabs on, so are the graphical
tools and content.  My logo's build files (and any other graphical
data/ideas we've seen) can be made available... perhaps kept as a separate
graphic design folder in the CVS repository.

Leif

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Nevermind last post, I found what I was looking for.  Swirls are paths
within the PDF and it became visible in Adobe Illustrator.  Dolp.  So we
should have everything then as far as logo design goes.

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

My 2 cents:

First of all, thanks to your company for the support and effort.
Unfortunately I don't care too much for any of the designs, but of the six,
I like #2 the best.  I like the swirly thing, don't know why.  A suggested
modification to #2 might be to make the Dyn and API different colors -- like
the colors used in #1 -- with the swirly thing and API the same color.

Leif

P.S.  In another post, you mention that the font isn't free.  Any chance of
getting hold of a free font that can be used for the logo text?

P.P.S.  How about the original design files, are they Adobe Photoshop or
Illustrator or something?  Will the original design files be made available
as well?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joy Ride" <joy...@ho...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 11:21 PM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Logos for dynapi


> Hello,
>
> Our company was asked to design logo for DynAPI3. I tried to post PDF
> containing logo suggestions for DynAPI3 designed by our company. It didn't
> go trough. Here is a link to PDF files containing logos.
>
> http://www.visualway.com/helmi/download/dynapi.pdf
>
> Few comments about the PDF.
>
> 1) We have taken fairly traditional approach in to logo design. --> The
> results are somewhat corporative. One of the goals was credibility and
> looking "large" gives propably some.
> 2) Design approach is taken partly because we wanted to maximize the
> usability of logo. These ones can be used in websites, prints and online
> manuals easily (3D ones forinstance may not work in prints).
> 2) Most of the logos employ red as the main color. The reason is red is
> understood as color of technology, but it is not that much used as blue
is.
> 3) Our designer favors logos on first page. My personal favorites are 2
and
> 4.
>
> So I would appreciate any comments. Is there a one we could use as DynAPI
> logo from nowon? Votes?
>
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