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[Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hello Everyone,

It has been a long time since I've updated my copy of
DynAPI much less to say update the CVS. Well things
are still rolling along as I can see that there's a
lot of emails to read :)

I've managed to setup my new website and I've uploaded
my local copy of the DynAPI for everyone to review:

http://www.xwisdomhtml.com

I would like for all to review the changes and test ni
NS4. The new widgets might not be 100% compatible with
NS4 (sorry guys, I have a warm time trying to get the
Boxfix to work in NS4) :{

Here are some of the changes that I've made thus far:

* New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)'
* New RichTextBox widget (beta)
* Boxfix implemented

Enjoy and please give you feedback.

__
Raymond Irving

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Peter R. <ant...@gm...>]

Hi Raymond,

good to see something happening again! My first question is: Where to get the new source?
Will you push your changes to the CVS?

> * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)

Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the StyleManager-thing ;)
But I'm very curious about the new widget design!

Regards,
Peter

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hi Peter,

--- Peter Romianowski <ant...@gm...> wrote:
> Will you push your changes to the CVS?

Yes I will but not until we have tested the new code
with Boxfix etc. For the time being you can download
the copy from www.xwisdomhtml.com. It's a copy of what
I've locally on my pc.
 
> > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)
> 
> Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the
> StyleManager-thing ;)
> But I'm very curious about the new widget design!

Sure. Download the version from my site. The problem
with StyleManager is that it's slower and will only
complicate things when you want to change the style of
complex widgets. 

__
Raymond Irving

> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 
> 

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Peter R. <ant...@gm...>]

Hi Raymond,

>>Will you push your changes to the CVS?
> 
> 
> Yes I will but not until we have tested the new code
> with Boxfix etc. For the time being you can download

Dumb question: How to test it? What kind of feedback do
you need?

> the copy from www.xwisdomhtml.com. It's a copy of what
> I've locally on my pc.

Ah - I missed the download link (searched a while again but
finally found it ;)

>>Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the
>>StyleManager-thing ;)
>>But I'm very curious about the new widget design!
> 
> 
> Sure. Download the version from my site. The problem
> with StyleManager is that it's slower and will only
> complicate things when you want to change the style of
> complex widgets. 

I see the new design. It's much simpler indeed. Integrating the
mouse events is really a step forward I think. The PITA I had
developing widgets with the StyleManager-Stuff was the descision
where to put which code. I think this is really simpler because
you only have one file, one class.
Even though I liked the idea of pluggable styles which implement
other behaviour (flatbutton vs button) I see the much simpler and
straighter design of the new widgets. So I really, really like it.
Even more if I remember the pain I had understanding the StyleManager
in the first place ;)

Another question: In which way is the StyleManager slower? The problem
I have here is that we developed a huge DHTML-Page with loads of widgets
and I modified the dynapi quite a bit (extended the styles-stuff with
a skin(theme)-manager which comes quite close to the new widget design ;)
and other minor/major changes) so switching would be less fun ;) So I
am curious about the problems with the Stylemanager since we have
performance-problems every now and then and switching to the new design
would take a while (and it will not happen until 3.0 final is out). So
can you give any details or performance hints?

BTW: When the CVS is in sync again and I have the time here, I will try
to convert some of  my widgets (including a full featured cross-browser
Richtext-Editor, ColorChooser and other neat things) to "standard"-dynapi
widgets.

Last question ;) Do you have any release plan yet?

Keep up the good work!

Regards
Peter

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> 
> 
>>Regards,
>>Peter
>>
>>
> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

--- Peter Romianowski <ant...@gm...> wrote:
> ...How to test it? What kind of feedback
> do
> you need?

The new widgets all rely on the Boxfix that was
implemented. I don't think boxfix works well under NS4
so we might have to do some testing of the new widgets
with ns4. Personally I'm getting tired or ns4's
limitation so maybe someone can assist here.

> I see the new design. It's much simpler indeed.

Thanks. I thought so too.


> Another question: In which way is the StyleManager
> slower? 

When switching from one style to the other you must
first remove all the unnecessary child layers before
adding new olds. In some cases you would have to
remove child layers before you can even extend a
widget.

> 
> BTW: When the CVS is in sync again and I have the
> time here, I will try
> to convert some of  my widgets (including a full
> featured cross-browser
> Richtext-Editor, ColorChooser and other neat things)
> to "standard"-dynapi
> widgets.

Sounds really cool. Have you seen the new
RichTextEditor widgets? Maybe you can merge your
Richtext-Editor with the one that's in the download.
 
> Last question ;) Do you have any release plan yet?

As soon as we can test the new design and fix the
outstanding bugs.
 
> Keep up the good work!
> 

Thank you

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Yes.. documentation please..
It would be nice to finally have a"final" widget methodology.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Romianowski" <ant...@gm...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 7:23 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates


> Hi Raymond,
>
> >>Will you push your changes to the CVS?
> >
> >
> > Yes I will but not until we have tested the new code
> > with Boxfix etc. For the time being you can download
>
> Dumb question: How to test it? What kind of feedback do
> you need?
>
> > the copy from www.xwisdomhtml.com. It's a copy of what
> > I've locally on my pc.
>
> Ah - I missed the download link (searched a while again but
> finally found it ;)
>
> >>Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the
> >>StyleManager-thing ;)
> >>But I'm very curious about the new widget design!
> >
> >
> > Sure. Download the version from my site. The problem
> > with StyleManager is that it's slower and will only
> > complicate things when you want to change the style of
> > complex widgets.
>
> I see the new design. It's much simpler indeed. Integrating the
> mouse events is really a step forward I think. The PITA I had
> developing widgets with the StyleManager-Stuff was the descision
> where to put which code. I think this is really simpler because
> you only have one file, one class.
> Even though I liked the idea of pluggable styles which implement
> other behaviour (flatbutton vs button) I see the much simpler and
> straighter design of the new widgets. So I really, really like it.
> Even more if I remember the pain I had understanding the StyleManager
> in the first place ;)
>
> Another question: In which way is the StyleManager slower? The problem
> I have here is that we developed a huge DHTML-Page with loads of widgets
> and I modified the dynapi quite a bit (extended the styles-stuff with
> a skin(theme)-manager which comes quite close to the new widget design ;)
> and other minor/major changes) so switching would be less fun ;) So I
> am curious about the problems with the Stylemanager since we have
> performance-problems every now and then and switching to the new design
> would take a while (and it will not happen until 3.0 final is out). So
> can you give any details or performance hints?
>
> BTW: When the CVS is in sync again and I have the time here, I will try
> to convert some of  my widgets (including a full featured cross-browser
> Richtext-Editor, ColorChooser and other neat things) to "standard"-dynapi
> widgets.
>
> Last question ;) Do you have any release plan yet?
>
> Keep up the good work!
>
> Regards
> Peter
>
> > __
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> >
> >>Regards,
> >>Peter
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

one more thing...

look at the widget.sample.js file for a quick outline

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--- Peter Romianowski <ant...@gm...> wrote:
> Hi Raymond,
> 
> good to see something happening again! My first
> question is: Where to get the new source?
> Will you push your changes to the CVS?
> 
> > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)
> 
> Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the
> StyleManager-thing ;)
> But I'm very curious about the new widget design!
> 
> Regards,
> Peter
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Glad i never got into the stylemanager.. :-)
'course.. i prefer to build ultra-lite widgets.. :-)


hehe

Looking forward to seeing new code..

cheers
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Romianowski" <ant...@gm...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2004 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates


> Hi Raymond,
>
> good to see something happening again! My first question is: Where to get
the new source?
> Will you push your changes to the CVS?
>
> > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)
>
> Can I see an example of this? I just got used to the StyleManager-thing ;)
> But I'm very curious about the new widget design!
>
> Regards,
> Peter
>
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

"Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
> 
> It has been a long time since I've updated my copy of
> DynAPI much less to say update the CVS. Well things
> are still rolling along as I can see that there's a
> lot of emails to read :)
> 
> I've managed to setup my new website and I've uploaded
> my local copy of the DynAPI for everyone to review:
> 
> http://www.xwisdomhtml.com

Nice site. It's been a long time since I've looked at DynAPI.
I'll have a look at dynapi3x.zip and the new widget design if I
get some time.

> I would like for all to review the changes and test ni
> NS4. The new widgets might not be 100% compatible with
> NS4 (sorry guys, I have a warm time trying to get the
> Boxfix to work in NS4) :{

As someone who was always keen on NS4 compatibility when
some operating systems were delivered with NS4 - now I don't
think that this the case. I'm now using Redhat Linux 9 which is
not shipped with NS4. Sorry I can't help with NS4 testing.

So I wouldn't worry if new DynAPI developments don't support
NS4. Unless someone can cite an OS shipping with NS4?

> Here are some of the changes that I've made thus far:
> 
> * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)'
> * New RichTextBox widget (beta)

That RichTextBox widget looks very neat.

Kevin

> * Boxfix implemented
> 
> Enjoy and please give you feedback.
> 
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> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Doug M. <do...@cr...>]

Yeah, uh, About NS4..
Any of you administer a web server?
I host 5 sites.. Apone the monthly processing of the logs
you do see that 15 to 20% of visitors to these five sites
are still using NS4.. (and 2% using NS3!!!)

While I do agree that supporting NS4 is a serious pain in the
backside, I have to tell you that the government standards in Canada
still call for support 4X borwsers. And what with the government being the
single larges employer in Canada, that's a pretty big user base (and the
source of ALL
of my work)

Just my 2 cents.

cheers


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates


>
> "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:
>
> > Hello Everyone,
> >
> > It has been a long time since I've updated my copy of
> > DynAPI much less to say update the CVS. Well things
> > are still rolling along as I can see that there's a
> > lot of emails to read :)
> >
> > I've managed to setup my new website and I've uploaded
> > my local copy of the DynAPI for everyone to review:
> >
> > http://www.xwisdomhtml.com
>
> Nice site. It's been a long time since I've looked at DynAPI.
> I'll have a look at dynapi3x.zip and the new widget design if I
> get some time.
>
> > I would like for all to review the changes and test ni
> > NS4. The new widgets might not be 100% compatible with
> > NS4 (sorry guys, I have a warm time trying to get the
> > Boxfix to work in NS4) :{
>
> As someone who was always keen on NS4 compatibility when
> some operating systems were delivered with NS4 - now I don't
> think that this the case. I'm now using Redhat Linux 9 which is
> not shipped with NS4. Sorry I can't help with NS4 testing.
>
> So I wouldn't worry if new DynAPI developments don't support
> NS4. Unless someone can cite an OS shipping with NS4?
>
> > Here are some of the changes that I've made thus far:
> >
> > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)'
> > * New RichTextBox widget (beta)
>
> That RichTextBox widget looks very neat.
>
> Kevin
>
> > * Boxfix implemented
> >
> > Enjoy and please give you feedback.
> >
> > __
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

My 2 cents.  Version 4 browsers are retarded and should die.
Governments or Militaries with big bureaucracies are always antiquated.
If they want to use 10-20 year old software, they pay the consequences
and let the rest of the world make progress.  If you want it to work in
a version 4 or less browser, do everything on the server side via CGI.
Leave all static content.  Or (cringe) use applets or Flash.  :p  But
the same government people probably restrict the use of either.

Sorry, no offense Doug.  It's gotto suck to be responsible for
supporting old software for a technologically antiquated employer, be
they government, military, educational institution, or big business.  I
know I would personally refuse to work under such conditions and find
another job, even if it meant leaving the country and going half way
around the world.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Melvin" <do...@cr...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates


> Yeah, uh, About NS4..
> Any of you administer a web server?
> I host 5 sites.. Apone the monthly processing of the logs
> you do see that 15 to 20% of visitors to these five sites
> are still using NS4.. (and 2% using NS3!!!)
>
> While I do agree that supporting NS4 is a serious pain in the
> backside, I have to tell you that the government standards in Canada
> still call for support 4X borwsers. And what with the government being
the
> single larges employer in Canada, that's a pretty big user base (and
the
> source of ALL
> of my work)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> cheers
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates
>
>
> >
> > "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...> wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > It has been a long time since I've updated my copy of
> > > DynAPI much less to say update the CVS. Well things
> > > are still rolling along as I can see that there's a
> > > lot of emails to read :)
> > >
> > > I've managed to setup my new website and I've uploaded
> > > my local copy of the DynAPI for everyone to review:
> > >
> > > http://www.xwisdomhtml.com
> >
> > Nice site. It's been a long time since I've looked at DynAPI.
> > I'll have a look at dynapi3x.zip and the new widget design if I
> > get some time.
> >
> > > I would like for all to review the changes and test ni
> > > NS4. The new widgets might not be 100% compatible with
> > > NS4 (sorry guys, I have a warm time trying to get the
> > > Boxfix to work in NS4) :{
> >
> > As someone who was always keen on NS4 compatibility when
> > some operating systems were delivered with NS4 - now I don't
> > think that this the case. I'm now using Redhat Linux 9 which is
> > not shipped with NS4. Sorry I can't help with NS4 testing.
> >
> > So I wouldn't worry if new DynAPI developments don't support
> > NS4. Unless someone can cite an OS shipping with NS4?
> >
> > > Here are some of the changes that I've made thus far:
> > >
> > > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)'
> > > * New RichTextBox widget (beta)
> >
> > That RichTextBox widget looks very neat.
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> > > * Boxfix implemented
> > >
> > > Enjoy and please give you feedback.
> > >
> > > __
> > > Raymond Irving
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

And while we are on the topic of server-side projects... Here's a cool server-side project that some of you guys might be interested in:
 
http://www.gotdotnet.com/Community/Workspaces/workspace.aspx?id=69b08b15-d456-4cf9-8b12-d4642ef0c22e
 
__
Raymond Irving


Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
My 2 cents. Version 4 browsers are retarded and should die.
Governments or Militaries with big bureaucracies are always antiquated.
If they want to use 10-20 year old software, they pay the consequences
and let the rest of the world make progress. If you want it to work in
a version 4 or less browser, do everything on the server side via CGI.
Leave all static content. Or (cringe) use applets or Flash. :p But
the same government people probably restrict the use of either.

Sorry, no offense Doug. It's gotto suck to be responsible for
supporting old software for a technologically antiquated employer, be
they government, military, educational institution, or big business. I
know I would personally refuse to work under such conditions and find
another job, even if it meant leaving the country and going half way
around the world.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Doug Melvin" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 10:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates


> Yeah, uh, About NS4..
> Any of you administer a web server?
> I host 5 sites.. Apone the monthly processing of the logs
> you do see that 15 to 20% of visitors to these five sites
> are still using NS4.. (and 2% using NS3!!!)
>
> While I do agree that supporting NS4 is a serious pain in the
> backside, I have to tell you that the government standards in Canada
> still call for support 4X borwsers. And what with the government being
the
> single larges employer in Canada, that's a pretty big user base (and
the
> source of ALL
> of my work)
>
> Just my 2 cents.
>
> cheers
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] DynAPI Updates
>
>
> >
> > "Raymond Irving" wrote:
> >
> > > Hello Everyone,
> > >
> > > It has been a long time since I've updated my copy of
> > > DynAPI much less to say update the CVS. Well things
> > > are still rolling along as I can see that there's a
> > > lot of emails to read :)
> > >
> > > I've managed to setup my new website and I've uploaded
> > > my local copy of the DynAPI for everyone to review:
> > >
> > > http://www.xwisdomhtml.com
> >
> > Nice site. It's been a long time since I've looked at DynAPI.
> > I'll have a look at dynapi3x.zip and the new widget design if I
> > get some time.
> >
> > > I would like for all to review the changes and test ni
> > > NS4. The new widgets might not be 100% compatible with
> > > NS4 (sorry guys, I have a warm time trying to get the
> > > Boxfix to work in NS4) :{
> >
> > As someone who was always keen on NS4 compatibility when
> > some operating systems were delivered with NS4 - now I don't
> > think that this the case. I'm now using Redhat Linux 9 which is
> > not shipped with NS4. Sorry I can't help with NS4 testing.
> >
> > So I wouldn't worry if new DynAPI developments don't support
> > NS4. Unless someone can cite an OS shipping with NS4?
> >
> > > Here are some of the changes that I've made thus far:
> > >
> > > * New widget design (no longer use StyleManager)'
> > > * New RichTextBox widget (beta)
> >
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