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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

I've noticed the same thing before but never mentioned it.  Most if not all
functions I've seen assume correct parameters.  This was probably done for
efficiency sake (I am guessing), so to save CPU time by having less code.
But I was wondering if this makes it more difficult to track down errors in
complex web apps.  Anyone else care to elaborate on the pros/cons of error
checking in terms of execution time vs. code robustness and debugging?

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ml...@id...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem


>
> I guess this is part of a larger design question.
>
> Should the Dynapi code check for invalid arguments to calls?
>
> Having the no property error error appear is functionally a thrown
> error.
>
>
>
> > Not sure if I understand.  Is this a request to change something?  I'm
not
> > too familiar with this portion of the API, and not sure how this might
> > affect other code, but see my proposed changes below (expanded for ease
of
> > readability).
> >
> > The line 99:
> >
> > if(typeof(index)=='number') return
> > {text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
> >
> > Is proposed to be changed to something like this?
> >
> >  96 | p.getItem = function( index )
> >  97 | {
> >  98 |     if ( this.getElm() )
> >  99 |     {
> > 100 |         var o = this.elm.options;
> > 101 |
> > 102 |         if ( typeof( index ) == 'number' && ( index >= 0 || index
<
> > o.length)
> > 103 |         {
> > 104 |             return { text:o[index].text, value:o[index].value };
> > 105 |         }
> > 106 |         else if ( typeof( index ) == 'undefined' )
> > 107 |         {
> > 108 |             return( null );
> > 109 |         }
> > 110 |         else
> > 111 |         {
> > 112 |             for( var i = 0; i < o.length; i++ )
> > 113 |             {
> > 114 |                 if ( index == o[i].value )
> > 115 |                 {
> > 116 |                     return { text:o[i].text, value:o[i].value };
> > 117 |                 }
> > 118 |             }
> > 119 |         }
> > 120 |     }
> > 121 | };
> >
> > Leif
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <ml...@id...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:22 AM
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem
> >
> >
> > >
> > > What is the correct thing to do here?
> > >
> > > The simple thing would be to return null if o[index] is not a valid
> > > option.
> > >
> > > Test choices:
> > > if index < 0 || index >= o.length
> > > o[index] === undefined
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Error: o[index] has no properties
> > > Source File: dynapi3x/src/gui/htmllistbox.js
> > > Line: 99
> > >
> > > 96 p.getItem = function(index){
> > > 97 if(this.getElm()) {
> > > 98 var o = this.elm.options;
> > > 99 if(typeof(index)=='number') return
> > {text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
> > > else {
> > > for(var i=0;i<o.length;i++) if(index==o[i].value) return {
> > > text:o[i].text,
> > > value:o[i].value
> > > }
> > > }
> > > }
> > > };
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode - layout managers

[<ml...@id...>]

http://www.softbear.com/people/cory/articles/webtech.htm


Java Layout Managers

Java provides five layout managers in the Abstract Window Toolkit
(AWT), a package in the standard Java library: BorderLayout;
CardLayout; FlowLayout; GridLayout; and GridBagLayout.

BorderLayout divides a window into five areas: north, south, east,
west, and center. Each area holds one display component, placed on the
window in a position corresponding to its area name. For example, the
north component is placed on the top of the window, south is placed on
the bottom of the window, and so on. BorderLayout is most useful for
simple dialog boxes and windows that hold fewer than five display
components.

CardLayout makes a window act like a Rolodex. It has a drop-down menu
that allows the user to view a menu of "card" names and choose which
card to display. Only one card may be displayed at a time -- the
others are hidden until the user chooses a different card.

FlowLayout, the default layout option for Java applets, is modeled
after a typewriter. It lays out display components in a row from the
left edge of a window to the right. When it reaches the right edge of
the window, it starts a new row. FlowLayout works best when there are
a small number of display components.

GridLayout lays out display components on the squares of an imaginary
checkerboard. First, it divides the window into a grid of identically
sized squares, and then puts each display component into its own
square, resizing the component as necessary until it fits the
square. This layout option is most useful if all of the display
components look attractive with exactly the same widths and
heights. GridLayout also allows a grid of identically sized rectangles
if you prefer that to squares. GridBagLayout is an advanced version of
GridLayout that allows display components to span more than one
square. GridBagLayout is the most powerful layout manager in the AWT,
and arguably the most difficult to use.



> I'm not too familiar with the terms "layout manager" or "alignment manager".
> What do they do, how do they work?  Can you show an example (web)
> application or something? What are the programming requirements for such a
> feature?  How might it integrate with the DynAPI?
> 
> Leif
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode
> 
> 
> >
> > The blackboard mode allows you th change the html
> > content of the layer without deleting the children.
> >
> > It's works well with modern browsers and supports ns4
> > to some extent. The NS4 browser itself is limited in
> > features so there is not much that we can do.
> >
> > As for layouts someone would have to create a layout
> > or alignment manager.
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> >
> >
> > --- ml...@id... wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone explain this in a bit more detail, I
> > > want to add it to the
> > > documentation.
> > >
> > > As near as I can till, it somewhat allows you to add
> > > multiple html
> > > items to a layer.
> > >
> > > It doesn't seem to work well if you add multiple
> > > layers to a layer.
> > >
> > > One of the things I am missing right now is a
> > > container class that has
> > > a layout manager method.
> > >
> > > I really want to be able to group layers, without
> > > needing to stuff
> > > them into a template of a table.
> > >
> > > For one, ns4 just doesn't seem to deal with it well.
> > >
> > >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem

[<ml...@id...>]

I guess this is part of a larger design question.

Should the Dynapi code check for invalid arguments to calls?

Having the no property error error appear is functionally a thrown
error.



> Not sure if I understand.  Is this a request to change something?  I'm not
> too familiar with this portion of the API, and not sure how this might
> affect other code, but see my proposed changes below (expanded for ease of
> readability).
> 
> The line 99:
> 
> if(typeof(index)=='number') return
> {text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
> 
> Is proposed to be changed to something like this?
> 
>  96 | p.getItem = function( index )
>  97 | {
>  98 |     if ( this.getElm() )
>  99 |     {
> 100 |         var o = this.elm.options;
> 101 |
> 102 |         if ( typeof( index ) == 'number' && ( index >= 0 || index <
> o.length)
> 103 |         {
> 104 |             return { text:o[index].text, value:o[index].value };
> 105 |         }
> 106 |         else if ( typeof( index ) == 'undefined' )
> 107 |         {
> 108 |             return( null );
> 109 |         }
> 110 |         else
> 111 |         {
> 112 |             for( var i = 0; i < o.length; i++ )
> 113 |             {
> 114 |                 if ( index == o[i].value )
> 115 |                 {
> 116 |                     return { text:o[i].text, value:o[i].value };
> 117 |                 }
> 118 |             }
> 119 |         }
> 120 |     }
> 121 | };
> 
> Leif
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <ml...@id...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:22 AM
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem
> 
> 
> >
> > What is the correct thing to do here?
> >
> > The simple thing would be to return null if o[index] is not a valid
> > option.
> >
> > Test choices:
> > if index < 0 || index >= o.length
> > o[index] === undefined
> >
> >
> >
> > Error: o[index] has no properties
> > Source File: dynapi3x/src/gui/htmllistbox.js
> > Line: 99
> >
> > 96 p.getItem = function(index){
> > 97 if(this.getElm()) {
> > 98 var o = this.elm.options;
> > 99 if(typeof(index)=='number') return
> {text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
> > else {
> > for(var i=0;i<o.length;i++) if(index==o[i].value) return {
> > text:o[i].text,
> > value:o[i].value
> > }
> > }
> > }
> > };
> >
> >
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> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

I'm not too familiar with the terms "layout manager" or "alignment manager".
What do they do, how do they work?  Can you show an example (web)
application or something? What are the programming requirements for such a
feature?  How might it integrate with the DynAPI?

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode


>
> The blackboard mode allows you th change the html
> content of the layer without deleting the children.
>
> It's works well with modern browsers and supports ns4
> to some extent. The NS4 browser itself is limited in
> features so there is not much that we can do.
>
> As for layouts someone would have to create a layout
> or alignment manager.
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
>
>
> --- ml...@id... wrote:
> >
> > Can someone explain this in a bit more detail, I
> > want to add it to the
> > documentation.
> >
> > As near as I can till, it somewhat allows you to add
> > multiple html
> > items to a layer.
> >
> > It doesn't seem to work well if you add multiple
> > layers to a layer.
> >
> > One of the things I am missing right now is a
> > container class that has
> > a layout manager method.
> >
> > I really want to be able to group layers, without
> > needing to stuff
> > them into a template of a table.
> >
> > For one, ns4 just doesn't seem to deal with it well.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JS/DOM Autocompletion in IE6 / Mozilla 1.4

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Does anyone on the list know about DOM Text Ranges in Opera (any version)?
I got Opera 7 running now (nice and fast, I was shocked).  But I haven't
been able to find specific documentation or code examples (that work, not
just claim to work).  Do my scripts work on Safari?  I have no *Mac access.
If possible I'd like to work out all the major compatibility kinks while I'm
still in a stand-alone sandbox script, rather than find a hangup when I am
half-way through the DynAPI integration.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:14 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JS/DOM Autocompletion in IE6 / Mozilla 1.4


>
> Wonderful! This is great!
>
> From the looks of things I think it should go within
> the GUI section as it will mainly be used by gui
> components. Otherwise it should go into the util
> section.
>
> You can create and AutoComplete Class library so a
> user could create an autocomplete object:
>
> var ac = new AutoComplete();
> // autocomplete could inherit the EventObject
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
> --- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> > I've recently put together an autocompletion script
> > that will work with an
> > input text field, with data either in a JS array, or
> > in a SELECT.  It works
> > the same in IE6 and Mozilla 1.4.  I couldn't find
> > the specific documentation
> > for the Mozilla functions used.  I had to search the
> > CVS source tree, as the
> > "range" related objects (selecting a range of text)
> > and methods particular
> > to DOM aren't really very well documented.  There's
> > some documentation of
> > Range for Mozilla, but I'm not using any of those
> > functions.  I just
> > happened to find some bits of IE and Mozilla
> > specific autocompletion on the
> > web, and took and merged them.
> >
> > Would something like this be a useful utility for
> > the DynAPI?  If so, where
> > should it go?  If the code needs modifying for
> > DynAPI integration, I might
> > need some pointers.  If the example doesn't work in
> > a browser (Opera, etc.)
> > I'd need someone else to fix it as I don't have
> > access to other browsers
> > yet.
> >
> > Leif
> >
> ---------------------------------
> Cross-browser autocompletionvar myAcData =[
> "aardvark",    "antipathy",    "baseball",
> "basketball",    "train",    "train station"];/* *
> NAME: autoComplete *  INPUT: *      inputField: text
> field where user is typing *      inputEvent: holds
> keystroke event data *      acData: data to search for
> auto complete *      acDataType: JavaScript array or
> HTML FORM's SELECT's OPTIONs. *  OUTPUT: */function
> autoComplete ( inputField, inputEvent, acData,
> acDataType ){    var acDataTmp = new Array();    if (
> acDataType == 'js' )    {        for ( var i = 0; i
>
>       Cross-browser autocompletion
>
>    autocomplete a text field with data in array
>
>    autocomplete a text field with data in a select
> field
>       Supported Browsers:
>    Internet Explorer 6
>    Mozilla 1.4
>
>
> [input]
>                      aardvark
>                   antipathy
>                   baseball
>                   basketball
>                   train
>                   train station
>
>                     [input]
>
>                             aardvark
>    antipathy                      baseball
>          basketball                      train
>              train station
>
>
> [input]
>
>         aardvark                      antipathy
>               baseball                      basketball
>                      train                      train
> station
>
>        textField.createTextRange()
> textRange.moveStart( 'character', pos )
> textRange.moveEnd( 'character', pos )
> textRange.select()
>
> [Mozilla]
> textField.selectionStart()
> textField.setSelectionRange( start, stop )
> textField.getCaretOffset( pos? )
> textField.setCaretOffset( pos? )
> -->
>
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

Not sure if I understand.  Is this a request to change something?  I'm not
too familiar with this portion of the API, and not sure how this might
affect other code, but see my proposed changes below (expanded for ease of
readability).

The line 99:

if(typeof(index)=='number') return
{text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};

Is proposed to be changed to something like this?

 96 | p.getItem = function( index )
 97 | {
 98 |     if ( this.getElm() )
 99 |     {
100 |         var o = this.elm.options;
101 |
102 |         if ( typeof( index ) == 'number' && ( index >= 0 || index <
o.length)
103 |         {
104 |             return { text:o[index].text, value:o[index].value };
105 |         }
106 |         else if ( typeof( index ) == 'undefined' )
107 |         {
108 |             return( null );
109 |         }
110 |         else
111 |         {
112 |             for( var i = 0; i < o.length; i++ )
113 |             {
114 |                 if ( index == o[i].value )
115 |                 {
116 |                     return { text:o[i].text, value:o[i].value };
117 |                 }
118 |             }
119 |         }
120 |     }
121 | };

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ml...@id...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 12:22 AM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem


>
> What is the correct thing to do here?
>
> The simple thing would be to return null if o[index] is not a valid
> option.
>
> Test choices:
> if index < 0 || index >= o.length
> o[index] === undefined
>
>
>
> Error: o[index] has no properties
> Source File: dynapi3x/src/gui/htmllistbox.js
> Line: 99
>
> 96 p.getItem = function(index){
> 97 if(this.getElm()) {
> 98 var o = this.elm.options;
> 99 if(typeof(index)=='number') return
{text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
> else {
> for(var i=0;i<o.length;i++) if(index==o[i].value) return {
> text:o[i].text,
> value:o[i].value
> }
> }
> }
> };
>
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

The blackboard mode allows you th change the html
content of the layer without deleting the children.

It's works well with modern browsers and supports ns4
to some extent. The NS4 browser itself is limited in
features so there is not much that we can do.

As for layouts someone would have to create a layout
or alignment manager.

--
Raymond Irving



--- ml...@id... wrote:
> 
> Can someone explain this in a bit more detail, I
> want to add it to the
> documentation.
> 
> As near as I can till, it somewhat allows you to add
> multiple html
> items to a layer.
> 
> It doesn't seem to work well if you add multiple
> layers to a layer.
> 
> One of the things I am missing right now is a
> container class that has
> a layout manager method.
> 
> I really want to be able to group layers, without
> needing to stuff
> them into a template of a table.
> 
> For one, ns4 just doesn't seem to deal with it well.
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

I spend more money on pizza each year than the cost to register a domain
which is $25-35.  :D  Domains are cheap, 2-3 large pizzas with 3 toppings,
that's like $2-3/month, maybe like 15-30 minutes of work (after taxes).  I
could always shell out the money upfront and we put some "Donate money via
PayPal" link onsite (or just send a URL to the list), and remove it if/when
the requisite funds are reached, or leave the funds in the PayPal account
for use on future costs.  The only other cost of operation would be hosting,
but the point is probably moot as we're staying put at SF I think.  But if
we all chip in, say 5 of us, it's only $7 each per year.  Hopefully not
breaking anyone's bank.  FYI I'm not currently employed either and still
don't consider $25-35 / year anything to fuss over.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources


>
> One question still remains.. Who's going to pay for
> the domain name every year? Can we find a sponser?
>
> --
> Raymond Irving
>
> --- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
> > > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:57 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> > Resources
> > >
> > > OK, I get the point.
> > > The idea is to just redo the SF site.
> > >
> > > I thought it would help PR if we had dynapi.com
> > > or somesuch domain as the "public access" or
> > > slick "final release" site and concentrate on
> > > the SF site as dev site.
> >
> > Maybe it would be simpler to stay focussed on the
> > site redesign (which isn't
> > done yet) before switching ISPs.  This way we don't
> > have to juggle two major
> > changes at once.  But I wouldn't dismiss or devalue
> > the discussion about
> > other hosting options if that would be agreeable and
> > beneficial to the
> > group.  Always nice to have options.
> >
> > One point that really sticks out though, we really
> > should have the DNS
> > cleaned up so that they all point to the new
> > (primary?) site, wether it's on
> > SF or elsewhere.  Dan Steinman is the inventor and
> > reinventor of the DynAPI,
> > has been the cornerstone since its inception.  But
> > where has he been lately?
> > He doesn't post, so I don't know if he reads or
> > cares about the project or
> > is just to darn busy with all the other things that
> > come up in life.
> >
> > Anyways, the point I'm trying to make, is this
> > project also has a lot of new
> > talent who have put a lot of work into this DynAPI
> > 3.x, so it's maybe not
> > just Dan's private little project anymore.  Again, I
> > hate to sound like I'm
> > trying to take something away (i.e. pry the DNS out
> > of his hands), but maybe
> > more than one person (some voted DNS group) could
> > have access to the DNS
> > stuff so it could be more easily changed in the
> > future (i.e. not having to
> > wait if he's on vacation, if other mail is taking
> > priority, etc.).  And not
> > just one person controlling it who could shoot down
> > any plans to change
> > simply by saying "no, it's mine and I don't want to
> > do it, or I'm too busy
> > to bother right now".  That's my only concern.
> >
> > Leif
> >
> > > Christopher Kissinger
> > > Web Development Consultant
> > >
> > > Net Industries, Inc.
> > > www.netindustries.net
> > >
> > >
> > > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> > > >>>
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> > Behalf
> > > >>>  Of Raymond Irving
> > > >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> > > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> > > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> > Scripting Resources
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Hi Chris,
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Please see below:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  --- C Kissinger
> > <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> > > >>>  > OK, so if Dan has any input soon or if we
> > could
> > > >>>  > contact him, we ask him if he's willing to
> > point
> > > >>>  > his DNS at our IPs? Prefer .com, .org, or
> > .net?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Ok. Are we planning on moving the DynAPI
> > website from
> > > >>>  SF to another ISP?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  > Like I said, I would be willing to put up
> > the web
> > > >>>  > space, unless someone else has a better
> > deal
> > > >>>  > (static IP with in-house server and OC3
> > maybe?).
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  Hmmm.. This is something that the webteam
> > will have to
> > > >>>  agree on. Keeping the website on SF would
> > make it
> > > >>>  accessible to all would be sf developers. The
> > other
> > > >>>  things that comes to mind when moving to
> > another ISP
> > > >>>  is the ability of the propiety ISP to provide
> > backups,
> > > >>>  24x7 support, etc
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  > As for PR, you're right Leif. We should
> > compile a
> > > >>>  > comprehensive list for release all at once,
> > slightly
> > > >>>  > before launch.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  I also like this PR idea. I think it's well
> > needed.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  --
> > > >>>  Raymond Irving
> > > >>>
> > > >>>  > Christopher D. Kissinger
> > > >>>  >
> > > >>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>  > >>>  From:
> > dyn...@li...
> > > >>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
> > > >>>  > >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf
> > Of Leif
> > > >>>  > W
> > > >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003
> > 10:53 AM
> > > >>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> > > >>>  > >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> > Scripting
> > > >>>  > Resources
> > > >>>  > >>>
> > > >>>  > >>>  Doing a comprehensive check (DNS, web,
> > mail),
> > > >>>  > >>>
> > > >>>  > >>>  Also checked dynapi.net and
> > dynapi.org, and Dan
> > > >>>  > Steinman has both of
> > > >>>  > >>>  those
> > > >>>  > >>>  also.  All three domains are using
> > DynDNS for
> > > >>>  > their DNS, so they would
> > > >>>  > >>>  need
> > > >>>  > >>>  to be updated (i.e. to a static dns
> > within
> > > >>>  > DynDNS) or changed to a
> > > >>>  > >>>  different
> > > >>>  > >>>  DNS provider.  dynapi.org and
> > dynapi.net both
> > > >>>  > point to the same RCN
> > > >>>  > >>>  cable
> > > >>>  > >>>  account while dynapi.com doesn't have
> > an IP.
> > > >>>  > dynapi.com, .net, and
> > > >>>  > >>>  .org all
> > > >>>  > >>>  don't hit a standard web server (i.e.
> > port 80.)
> > > >>>  >  This would need
> > > >>>  > >>>  changing to
> > > >>>  > >>>  hit the webservers.  www.dynapi.org
> > redirects
> > > >>>  > to
> > > >>>  > >>>  http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/,
> > > >>>  > www.dynapi.net redirects to
> > > >>>  > >>>  dynapi.net:82.  These would need to
> > point to
> > > >>>  > the new IP.  dynapi.net
> > > >>>  > >>>  has an
> > > >>>  > >>>  MX record pointing to dynapi.net with
> > a mail
> > > >>>  > server listening, while
> > > >>>  > >>>  dynapi.com and dynapi.org have no MX
> > records.
> > > >>>  > If we're going to set up
> > > >>>  > >>>  mail
> > > >>>  > >>>  capabilities (accounts or simply
> > forwards) on a
> > > >>>  > new server, MX records
> > > >>>  > >>>  would
> > > >>>  > >>>  also have to be added/updated.
> > > >>>  > >>>
> > > >>>  > >>>  As far as the advertisement aspect
> > goes, I'd
> > > >>>  > volunteer as the primary
> > > >>>  > >>>  contact, and if anyone has suggestions
> > or
> > > >>>  > instructions about where to
> > > >>>  > >>>  go,
> > > >>>  > >>>  who to contact, how to make
> > submissions
> === message truncated ===
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[Dynapi-Dev] Blackboard Mode

[<ml...@id...>]

Can someone explain this in a bit more detail, I want to add it to the
documentation.

As near as I can till, it somewhat allows you to add multiple html
items to a layer.

It doesn't seem to work well if you add multiple layers to a layer.

One of the things I am missing right now is a container class that has
a layout manager method.

I really want to be able to group layers, without needing to stuff
them into a template of a table.

For one, ns4 just doesn't seem to deal with it well.

[Dynapi-Dev] [ dynapi-Patches-799368 ] MSIE 6 WinXP: Error raised importing dynapi.api.MouseEvent

[SourceForge.net <no...@so...>]

Patches item #799368, was opened at 2003-09-02 20:14
Message generated for change (Comment added) made by xwisdom
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Category: DynAPI 3 API
Group: None
Status: Open
Resolution: None
Priority: 5
Submitted By: Peter Romianowski (antarapero)
Assigned to: Nobody/Anonymous (nobody)
Summary: MSIE 6 WinXP: Error raised importing dynapi.api.MouseEvent

Initial Comment:
Hi,



if I import dynapi.api.MouseEvent I get some strange

error messages saying that a variable is undefined. I

tracked

it down to mouse_ie.js. I changed Line 70ff like this:



if (e.type=="mouseout" || e.type=="mouseover") {

	if (r && src && (r==src||src.isParentOf(r))) return;

//fix for #15 (ie only)

	if (r && src && (r == src.parent ||

r.isChildOf(src.parent)) ) me.bubble=false;

}



The only difference to the original source is that src

is checked for "undefined", too. That did the trick for me.



The error was hardly reproducable, only one page I did

had this error (after whirling the mousepointer around

the screen ;)



BTW: DynAPI 3 is a huge step ahead! Great, great work!



----------------------------------------------------------------------

>Comment By: Raymond Irving (xwisdom)
Date: 2003-09-05 16:16

Message:
Logged In: YES 
user_id=696242

Hi,



Have you tested this with IE 4, 5 and 6?



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JS/DOM Autocompletion in IE6 / Mozilla 1.4

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Wonderful! This is great!

From the looks of things I think it should go within
the GUI section as it will mainly be used by gui
components. Otherwise it should go into the util
section.

You can create and AutoComplete Class library so a
user could create an autocomplete object:

var ac = new AutoComplete();
// autocomplete could inherit the EventObject

--
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--- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> I've recently put together an autocompletion script
> that will work with an
> input text field, with data either in a JS array, or
> in a SELECT.  It works
> the same in IE6 and Mozilla 1.4.  I couldn't find
> the specific documentation
> for the Mozilla functions used.  I had to search the
> CVS source tree, as the
> "range" related objects (selecting a range of text)
> and methods particular
> to DOM aren't really very well documented.  There's
> some documentation of
> Range for Mozilla, but I'm not using any of those
> functions.  I just
> happened to find some bits of IE and Mozilla
> specific autocompletion on the
> web, and took and merged them.
> 
> Would something like this be a useful utility for
> the DynAPI?  If so, where
> should it go?  If the code needs modifying for
> DynAPI integration, I might
> need some pointers.  If the example doesn't work in
> a browser (Opera, etc.)
> I'd need someone else to fix it as I don't have
> access to other browsers
> yet.
> 
> Leif
> 
---------------------------------
Cross-browser autocompletionvar myAcData =[   
"aardvark",    "antipathy",    "baseball",   
"basketball",    "train",    "train station"];/* * 
NAME: autoComplete *  INPUT: *      inputField: text
field where user is typing *      inputEvent: holds
keystroke event data *      acData: data to search for
auto complete *      acDataType: JavaScript array or
HTML FORM's SELECT's OPTIONs. *  OUTPUT: */function
autoComplete ( inputField, inputEvent, acData,
acDataType ){    var acDataTmp = new Array();    if (
acDataType == 'js' )    {        for ( var i = 0; i   
   
      Cross-browser autocompletion
              
   autocomplete a text field with data in array       

   autocomplete a text field with data in a select
field      
      Supported Browsers:              
   Internet Explorer 6        
   Mozilla 1.4      
                                                      
                                                 
[input]                                               
                     aardvark
                  antipathy
                  baseball
                  basketball
                  train
                  train station                       
                                                      
                    [input]                           
                                                      
                            aardvark                  
   antipathy                      baseball            
         basketball                      train        
             train station                            
                                                      
                                                    
[input]                                               
                                                      
        aardvark                      antipathy       
              baseball                      basketball
                     train                      train
station                                               
                                                      
       textField.createTextRange()
textRange.moveStart( 'character', pos )
textRange.moveEnd( 'character', pos )
textRange.select()

[Mozilla]
textField.selectionStart()
textField.setSelectionRange( start, stop )
textField.getCaretOffset( pos? )
textField.setCaretOffset( pos? )
-->



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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] IOElement and Images

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

This is an IE problem.
To resolve this preload your images using the
execInParent function

example:

io.execInParent(function(){
  dynapi.functions.getImage('myimage.gif',10,10);
})

--
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--- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> Hi folks!
>  
> I have made a example for you all that have access
> to use asp.
>  
> Its a big(huge) problem with the ioelement and to
> load in images from
> the ioelement page/function into the parent.
>  
> The files contains 3 files, 
> first page is:
> ioelementimage.html
> that have 3 layers, clicking on the top left makes
> the io request to:
> getimage.asp witch loads in plump.gif into the left
> and right layer. IF
> you click one more time it will use setHTML('') on
> both layers.
>  
> Left layer loads in images with use of
> dynapi.functions.Image and the
> getHTML() function.
>  
> The Right Layer loads in images with plain html <img
> src="plump.gif">
>  
> What you will see is that the images wont load, some
> will and some
> wont... This is compleatly random and the image
> "containers" is there,
> if you right click where a image should be, in IE
> you get the "show
> picture" and when that is done, you will see the
> image.
>  
> This is really strange and i think its a mayor issue
> that we need to dig
> into. 
> If you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask me.
>  
> Best Regards
> Daniel Tiru
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 application/octet-stream
name=ioelement_test.zip



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[Dynapi-Dev] Index out of bound in htmltextbox getItem

[<ml...@id...>]

What is the correct thing to do here?

The simple thing would be to return null if o[index] is not a valid
option.

Test choices:
if index < 0 || index >= o.length
o[index] === undefined



Error: o[index] has no properties
Source File: dynapi3x/src/gui/htmllistbox.js
Line: 99

96 p.getItem = function(index){
97	if(this.getElm()) {
98 		var o = this.elm.options;
99		if(typeof(index)=='number') return {text:o[index].text,value:o[index].value};
		else {
			for(var i=0;i<o.length;i++) if(index==o[i].value) return {
				text:o[i].text,
				value:o[i].value
			}
		}
	}		
};

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Count me as vote #3 for SF for moment.

--
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--- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> Count me as vote #2 for SF.
> 
>  
> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>  
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
> 
> 
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li... 
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...]
> On Behalf Of Leif W
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:03 PM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help]
> Homepage
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
> >>>  From: "C Kissinger"
> <cki...@ne...>
> >>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help]
> Homepage
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  > OK, the posts are getting out of sync now
> from fevered
> >>>  > posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using
> what's already
> >>>  
> >>>  Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we
> know the 
> >>>  project is alive and
> >>>  well.  :)
> >>>  
> >>>  I guess we're all on the same page (true? 
> maybe?), 
> >>>  leaning towards staying
> >>>  with SF for now, as they'll have everything we
> need for now.
> >>>  
> >>>  Leif
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

One question still remains.. Who's going to pay for
the domain name every year? Can we find a sponser?

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--- Leif W <war...@us...> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:57 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> Resources
> >
> > OK, I get the point.
> > The idea is to just redo the SF site.
> >
> > I thought it would help PR if we had dynapi.com
> > or somesuch domain as the "public access" or
> > slick "final release" site and concentrate on
> > the SF site as dev site.
> 
> Maybe it would be simpler to stay focussed on the
> site redesign (which isn't
> done yet) before switching ISPs.  This way we don't
> have to juggle two major
> changes at once.  But I wouldn't dismiss or devalue
> the discussion about
> other hosting options if that would be agreeable and
> beneficial to the
> group.  Always nice to have options.
> 
> One point that really sticks out though, we really
> should have the DNS
> cleaned up so that they all point to the new
> (primary?) site, wether it's on
> SF or elsewhere.  Dan Steinman is the inventor and
> reinventor of the DynAPI,
> has been the cornerstone since its inception.  But
> where has he been lately?
> He doesn't post, so I don't know if he reads or
> cares about the project or
> is just to darn busy with all the other things that
> come up in life.
> 
> Anyways, the point I'm trying to make, is this
> project also has a lot of new
> talent who have put a lot of work into this DynAPI
> 3.x, so it's maybe not
> just Dan's private little project anymore.  Again, I
> hate to sound like I'm
> trying to take something away (i.e. pry the DNS out
> of his hands), but maybe
> more than one person (some voted DNS group) could
> have access to the DNS
> stuff so it could be more easily changed in the
> future (i.e. not having to
> wait if he's on vacation, if other mail is taking
> priority, etc.).  And not
> just one person controlling it who could shoot down
> any plans to change
> simply by saying "no, it's mine and I don't want to
> do it, or I'm too busy
> to bother right now".  That's my only concern.
> 
> Leif
> 
> > Christopher Kissinger
> > Web Development Consultant
> >
> > Net Industries, Inc.
> > www.netindustries.net
> >
> >
> > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> > >>> 
> [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> Behalf
> > >>>  Of Raymond Irving
> > >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> Scripting Resources
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hi Chris,
> > >>>
> > >>>  Please see below:
> > >>>
> > >>>  --- C Kissinger
> <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> > >>>  > OK, so if Dan has any input soon or if we
> could
> > >>>  > contact him, we ask him if he's willing to
> point
> > >>>  > his DNS at our IPs? Prefer .com, .org, or
> .net?
> > >>>
> > >>>  Ok. Are we planning on moving the DynAPI
> website from
> > >>>  SF to another ISP?
> > >>>
> > >>>  > Like I said, I would be willing to put up
> the web
> > >>>  > space, unless someone else has a better
> deal
> > >>>  > (static IP with in-house server and OC3
> maybe?).
> > >>>
> > >>>  Hmmm.. This is something that the webteam
> will have to
> > >>>  agree on. Keeping the website on SF would
> make it
> > >>>  accessible to all would be sf developers. The
> other
> > >>>  things that comes to mind when moving to
> another ISP
> > >>>  is the ability of the propiety ISP to provide
> backups,
> > >>>  24x7 support, etc
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  > As for PR, you're right Leif. We should
> compile a
> > >>>  > comprehensive list for release all at once,
> slightly
> > >>>  > before launch.
> > >>>
> > >>>  I also like this PR idea. I think it's well
> needed.
> > >>>
> > >>>  --
> > >>>  Raymond Irving
> > >>>
> > >>>  > Christopher D. Kissinger
> > >>>  >
> > >>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> > >>>  > >>>  From:
> dyn...@li...
> > >>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
> > >>>  > >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf
> Of Leif
> > >>>  > W
> > >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003
> 10:53 AM
> > >>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> > >>>  > >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> Scripting
> > >>>  > Resources
> > >>>  > >>>
> > >>>  > >>>  Doing a comprehensive check (DNS, web,
> mail),
> > >>>  > >>>
> > >>>  > >>>  Also checked dynapi.net and
> dynapi.org, and Dan
> > >>>  > Steinman has both of
> > >>>  > >>>  those
> > >>>  > >>>  also.  All three domains are using
> DynDNS for
> > >>>  > their DNS, so they would
> > >>>  > >>>  need
> > >>>  > >>>  to be updated (i.e. to a static dns
> within
> > >>>  > DynDNS) or changed to a
> > >>>  > >>>  different
> > >>>  > >>>  DNS provider.  dynapi.org and
> dynapi.net both
> > >>>  > point to the same RCN
> > >>>  > >>>  cable
> > >>>  > >>>  account while dynapi.com doesn't have
> an IP.
> > >>>  > dynapi.com, .net, and
> > >>>  > >>>  .org all
> > >>>  > >>>  don't hit a standard web server (i.e.
> port 80.)
> > >>>  >  This would need
> > >>>  > >>>  changing to
> > >>>  > >>>  hit the webservers.  www.dynapi.org
> redirects
> > >>>  > to
> > >>>  > >>>  http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/,
> > >>>  > www.dynapi.net redirects to
> > >>>  > >>>  dynapi.net:82.  These would need to
> point to
> > >>>  > the new IP.  dynapi.net
> > >>>  > >>>  has an
> > >>>  > >>>  MX record pointing to dynapi.net with
> a mail
> > >>>  > server listening, while
> > >>>  > >>>  dynapi.com and dynapi.org have no MX
> records.
> > >>>  > If we're going to set up
> > >>>  > >>>  mail
> > >>>  > >>>  capabilities (accounts or simply
> forwards) on a
> > >>>  > new server, MX records
> > >>>  > >>>  would
> > >>>  > >>>  also have to be added/updated.
> > >>>  > >>>
> > >>>  > >>>  As far as the advertisement aspect
> goes, I'd
> > >>>  > volunteer as the primary
> > >>>  > >>>  contact, and if anyone has suggestions
> or
> > >>>  > instructions about where to
> > >>>  > >>>  go,
> > >>>  > >>>  who to contact, how to make
> submissions 
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

I'll drop Dan a line on this one

--
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--- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> OK, I get the point.
> The idea is to just redo the SF site.
> 
> I thought it would help PR if we had dynapi.com
> or somesuch domain as the "public access" or
> slick "final release" site and concentrate on
> the SF site as dev site.
> 
>  
> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>  
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
> 
> 
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li... 
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...]
> On Behalf 
> >>>  Of Raymond Irving
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> Resources
> >>>  
> >>>  
> >>>  Hi Chris,
> >>>  
> >>>  Please see below:
> >>>  
> >>>  --- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...>
> wrote:
> >>>  > OK, so if Dan has any input soon or if we
> could
> >>>  > contact him, we ask him if he's willing to
> point
> >>>  > his DNS at our IPs? Prefer .com, .org, or
> .net?
> >>>  
> >>>  Ok. Are we planning on moving the DynAPI
> website from
> >>>  SF to another ISP?
> >>>  
> >>>  > Like I said, I would be willing to put up the
> web
> >>>  > space, unless someone else has a better deal
> >>>  > (static IP with in-house server and OC3
> maybe?).
> >>>  
> >>>  Hmmm.. This is something that the webteam will
> have to
> >>>  agree on. Keeping the website on SF would make
> it
> >>>  accessible to all would be sf developers. The
> other
> >>>  things that comes to mind when moving to
> another ISP
> >>>  is the ability of the propiety ISP to provide
> backups,
> >>>  24x7 support, etc
> >>>  
> >>>   
> >>>  > As for PR, you're right Leif. We should
> compile a
> >>>  > comprehensive list for release all at once,
> slightly
> >>>  > before launch.
> >>>  
> >>>  I also like this PR idea. I think it's well
> needed.
> >>>  
> >>>  --
> >>>  Raymond Irving
> >>>   
> >>>  > Christopher D. Kissinger
> >>>  > 
> >>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  > >>>  From:
> dyn...@li...
> >>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
> >>>  > >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf
> Of Leif
> >>>  > W
> >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003
> 10:53 AM
> >>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  > >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> Scripting
> >>>  > Resources
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  Doing a comprehensive check (DNS, web,
> mail),
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  Also checked dynapi.net and dynapi.org,
> and Dan
> >>>  > Steinman has both of
> >>>  > >>>  those
> >>>  > >>>  also.  All three domains are using
> DynDNS for
> >>>  > their DNS, so they would
> >>>  > >>>  need
> >>>  > >>>  to be updated (i.e. to a static dns
> within
> >>>  > DynDNS) or changed to a
> >>>  > >>>  different
> >>>  > >>>  DNS provider.  dynapi.org and dynapi.net
> both
> >>>  > point to the same RCN
> >>>  > >>>  cable
> >>>  > >>>  account while dynapi.com doesn't have an
> IP. 
> >>>  > dynapi.com, .net, and
> >>>  > >>>  .org all
> >>>  > >>>  don't hit a standard web server (i.e.
> port 80.)
> >>>  >  This would need
> >>>  > >>>  changing to
> >>>  > >>>  hit the webservers.  www.dynapi.org
> redirects
> >>>  > to
> >>>  > >>>  http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/,
> >>>  > www.dynapi.net redirects to
> >>>  > >>>  dynapi.net:82.  These would need to
> point to
> >>>  > the new IP.  dynapi.net
> >>>  > >>>  has an
> >>>  > >>>  MX record pointing to dynapi.net with a
> mail
> >>>  > server listening, while
> >>>  > >>>  dynapi.com and dynapi.org have no MX
> records. 
> >>>  > If we're going to set up
> >>>  > >>>  mail
> >>>  > >>>  capabilities (accounts or simply
> forwards) on a
> >>>  > new server, MX records
> >>>  > >>>  would
> >>>  > >>>  also have to be added/updated.
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  As far as the advertisement aspect goes,
> I'd
> >>>  > volunteer as the primary
> >>>  > >>>  contact, and if anyone has suggestions
> or
> >>>  > instructions about where to
> >>>  > >>>  go,
> >>>  > >>>  who to contact, how to make submissions
> to
> >>>  > other places, I'd be able to
> >>>  > >>>  do
> >>>  > >>>  that to help spread the word of the
> project. 
> >>>  > Would probably want to
> >>>  > >>>  get
> >>>  > >>>  some of that started a little before the
> >>>  > release of the new site and
> >>>  > >>>  the
> >>>  > >>>  post-beta of the DynAPI.
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  Leif
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > >>>  From: "C Kissinger"
> >>>  > <cki...@ne...>
> >>>  > >>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
> >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:35
> AM
> >>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> Scripting
> >>>  > Resources
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  A quick WHOIS on netsol.com says that
> >>>  > dynapi.com
> >>>  > >>>  is registered to Dan Steinman.
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  Dan, what do you think about your
> dynapi.com
> >>>  > domain for this?
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  What do the rest of you think about
> dynapi.com?
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  I have extra (unlimited) hosting space
> for 4
> >>>  > more domains, I
> >>>  > >>>  could offer the web space for it.
> >>>  > >>>  
> >>>  > >>>  I too think that it would be a good idea
> for
> >>>  > everyone willing to assist
> >>>  > >>>  in PRing to do so as there are hundreds
> >>>  > (thousands) of places to
> >>>  > >>>  advertise
> >>>  > >>>  excellent new software such as this:
> >>>  > >>>  devedge.netscape.com
> >>>  > >>>  forums.mozillazine.org
> >>>  > >>>  javascript.com and the internet.com
> consortium
> >>>  > >>>  press releases
> 
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

Count me as vote #2 for SF.

 
Christopher Kissinger
Web Development Consultant
 
Net Industries, Inc.
www.netindustries.net


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:03 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
>>>  > posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already
>>>  
>>>  Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we know the 
>>>  project is alive and
>>>  well.  :)
>>>  
>>>  I guess we're all on the same page (true?  maybe?), 
>>>  leaning towards staying
>>>  with SF for now, as they'll have everything we need for now.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 8:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


> OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
> posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already

Nice to see a lively discussion.  At least we know the project is alive and
well.  :)

I guess we're all on the same page (true?  maybe?), leaning towards staying
with SF for now, as they'll have everything we need for now.

Leif

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

OK, the posts are getting out of sync now from fevered
posting, but Mr. Irving suggested using what's already
on SF and updating it to the slicker design. In a later
post you will see that I made an ultra long blurb about
what they offer to projects which, Leif, you summed up
already (sorry for the redundancy).

 
Christopher Kissinger
Web Development Consultant
 
Net Industries, Inc.
www.netindustries.net


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:03 PM
>>>  To: DynAPI-Dev
>>>  Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:29 PM
>>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > I think the choice for client-side scripting should be obvious.
>>>  > The whole site should serve as a working example of DynAPI.
>>>  >
>>>  > As for server-side processing, that would depend on the 
>>>  web server
>>>  > we decide on using. I've mentioned that I have web space 
>>>  available
>>>  > for 4 more domains with unlimited space and resource utilization
>>>  > on an IIS 5 server, which includes ASP, .Net, Java, PHP, and
>>>  > CGI(C++ exe, Perl, VB exe). Anyone else have hosting ideas?
>>>  
>>>  Well, here's my take.  I have a strong aversion to IIS (if 
>>>  you've seen my
>>>  previous post), as I've worked with IIS (at a former 
>>>  employer) side by side
>>>  with Apache on FreeBSD / Linux, and IIS proved mostly a 
>>>  security liability
>>>  and a humungous PITA.
>>>  
>>>  Coincidentally, this former employer I mentioned, I left 
>>>  them on less than
>>>  good terms, due to personal and professional political 
>>>  reasons, as opposed
>>>  to technical or financial.  One of the worst professional 
>>>  falling-out I've
>>>  had.  So bad, I refuse to allow myself to ask them for any 
>>>  job reference,
>>>  although I don't doubt their professional integrity to 
>>>  commend me for the
>>>  positive contributions I made.  But even with that history 
>>>  going on, I have
>>>  such a strong aversion to IIS that I'd consider contacting 
>>>  them about
>>>  hosting.
>>>  
>>>  I doubt it'd be free, but you never know.  And if not, I'm 
>>>  sure it'd be
>>>  reasonable.  Anyone have any idea on how much bandwidth 
>>>  our little DynAPI
>>>  site uses (downloads could stay at SF)?  How much traffic, 
>>>  hits per day,
>>>  etc?  Any usage statistics at all?  If it's below 
>>>  1GB/month traffic, and
>>>  only low to moderate traffic (hopefully not slashdotted), 
>>>  I'm fairly
>>>  confident that the company would be more receptive to at 
>>>  least talking about
>>>  a reduced rate.  I know their servers have MySQL, Apache, 
>>>  FreeBSD, and PHP
>>>  and Perl, and gcc, ssh, and FTP all running.  And I know 
>>>  the people are
>>>  great about security issues.  I used to help admin the 
>>>  stuff.  They also
>>>  handle DNS stuff, and email hosting or forwarding, if 
>>>  needed.  They're no
>>>  slouches or fatcat managers.  Just hackers like you and 
>>>  me, but with a solid
>>>  business plan.
>>>  
>>>  Let me know if this would be a possibility, and if we had 
>>>  to pay a little
>>>  then how much could people spare?  Pass a can around, 
>>>  throw in a quarter, a
>>>  dollar, a fiver or ten each year, it'd add up.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  > Christopher Kissinger
>>>  > Web Development Consultant
>>>  >
>>>  > Net Industries, Inc.
>>>  > www.netindustries.net
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
>>>  > >>>  Of Daniel Tiru
>>>  > >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:13 AM
>>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Sorry mate, wrong list :)
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  /Tiru
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
>>>  > >>>  Of Matthias Foschepoth
>>>  > >>>  Sent: den 4 september 2003 13:08
>>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  > Hi folks!
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>  > What programming language do you think we should 
>>>  use for the
>>>  > >>>  > development of the homepage? Should we vote or do we
>>>  > >>>  have any options?
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>  > Myself cant help out with PHP if that will be the
>>>  > >>>  language of our
>>>  > >>>  > choise and if we use asp i know some people wont be able
>>>  > >>>  to help out
>>>  > >>>  > with that either...
>>>  > >>>  >
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Hi!
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Am I wrong and didn't subscribed to mailing list about
>>>  > >>>  DynApi? What Homepage you're talking about? DynApi works
>>>  > >>>  client sided. PHP, Perl and databases server sided.
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Best regards,
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>  Matthias
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
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>>>  > >>>  Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  >>>  
>>>  >>>  https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dyn>>>  api-help
>>>  > 
>>>  
>>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  > >>>
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > 
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>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:57 PM
> Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources
>
> OK, I get the point.
> The idea is to just redo the SF site.
>
> I thought it would help PR if we had dynapi.com
> or somesuch domain as the "public access" or
> slick "final release" site and concentrate on
> the SF site as dev site.

Maybe it would be simpler to stay focussed on the site redesign (which isn't
done yet) before switching ISPs.  This way we don't have to juggle two major
changes at once.  But I wouldn't dismiss or devalue the discussion about
other hosting options if that would be agreeable and beneficial to the
group.  Always nice to have options.

One point that really sticks out though, we really should have the DNS
cleaned up so that they all point to the new (primary?) site, wether it's on
SF or elsewhere.  Dan Steinman is the inventor and reinventor of the DynAPI,
has been the cornerstone since its inception.  But where has he been lately?
He doesn't post, so I don't know if he reads or cares about the project or
is just to darn busy with all the other things that come up in life.

Anyways, the point I'm trying to make, is this project also has a lot of new
talent who have put a lot of work into this DynAPI 3.x, so it's maybe not
just Dan's private little project anymore.  Again, I hate to sound like I'm
trying to take something away (i.e. pry the DNS out of his hands), but maybe
more than one person (some voted DNS group) could have access to the DNS
stuff so it could be more easily changed in the future (i.e. not having to
wait if he's on vacation, if other mail is taking priority, etc.).  And not
just one person controlling it who could shoot down any plans to change
simply by saying "no, it's mine and I don't want to do it, or I'm too busy
to bother right now".  That's my only concern.

Leif

> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
>
>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
> >>>  Of Raymond Irving
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:51 AM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Hi Chris,
> >>>
> >>>  Please see below:
> >>>
> >>>  --- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...> wrote:
> >>>  > OK, so if Dan has any input soon or if we could
> >>>  > contact him, we ask him if he's willing to point
> >>>  > his DNS at our IPs? Prefer .com, .org, or .net?
> >>>
> >>>  Ok. Are we planning on moving the DynAPI website from
> >>>  SF to another ISP?
> >>>
> >>>  > Like I said, I would be willing to put up the web
> >>>  > space, unless someone else has a better deal
> >>>  > (static IP with in-house server and OC3 maybe?).
> >>>
> >>>  Hmmm.. This is something that the webteam will have to
> >>>  agree on. Keeping the website on SF would make it
> >>>  accessible to all would be sf developers. The other
> >>>  things that comes to mind when moving to another ISP
> >>>  is the ability of the propiety ISP to provide backups,
> >>>  24x7 support, etc
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  > As for PR, you're right Leif. We should compile a
> >>>  > comprehensive list for release all at once, slightly
> >>>  > before launch.
> >>>
> >>>  I also like this PR idea. I think it's well needed.
> >>>
> >>>  --
> >>>  Raymond Irving
> >>>
> >>>  > Christopher D. Kissinger
> >>>  >
> >>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
> >>>  > >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif
> >>>  > W
> >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:53 AM
> >>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  > >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> >>>  > Resources
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Doing a comprehensive check (DNS, web, mail),
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Also checked dynapi.net and dynapi.org, and Dan
> >>>  > Steinman has both of
> >>>  > >>>  those
> >>>  > >>>  also.  All three domains are using DynDNS for
> >>>  > their DNS, so they would
> >>>  > >>>  need
> >>>  > >>>  to be updated (i.e. to a static dns within
> >>>  > DynDNS) or changed to a
> >>>  > >>>  different
> >>>  > >>>  DNS provider.  dynapi.org and dynapi.net both
> >>>  > point to the same RCN
> >>>  > >>>  cable
> >>>  > >>>  account while dynapi.com doesn't have an IP.
> >>>  > dynapi.com, .net, and
> >>>  > >>>  .org all
> >>>  > >>>  don't hit a standard web server (i.e. port 80.)
> >>>  >  This would need
> >>>  > >>>  changing to
> >>>  > >>>  hit the webservers.  www.dynapi.org redirects
> >>>  > to
> >>>  > >>>  http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/,
> >>>  > www.dynapi.net redirects to
> >>>  > >>>  dynapi.net:82.  These would need to point to
> >>>  > the new IP.  dynapi.net
> >>>  > >>>  has an
> >>>  > >>>  MX record pointing to dynapi.net with a mail
> >>>  > server listening, while
> >>>  > >>>  dynapi.com and dynapi.org have no MX records.
> >>>  > If we're going to set up
> >>>  > >>>  mail
> >>>  > >>>  capabilities (accounts or simply forwards) on a
> >>>  > new server, MX records
> >>>  > >>>  would
> >>>  > >>>  also have to be added/updated.
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  As far as the advertisement aspect goes, I'd
> >>>  > volunteer as the primary
> >>>  > >>>  contact, and if anyone has suggestions or
> >>>  > instructions about where to
> >>>  > >>>  go,
> >>>  > >>>  who to contact, how to make submissions to
> >>>  > other places, I'd be able to
> >>>  > >>>  do
> >>>  > >>>  that to help spread the word of the project.
> >>>  > Would probably want to
> >>>  > >>>  get
> >>>  > >>>  some of that started a little before the
> >>>  > release of the new site and
> >>>  > >>>  the
> >>>  > >>>  post-beta of the DynAPI.
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Leif
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  ----- Original Message -----
> >>>  > >>>  From: "C Kissinger"
> >>>  > <cki...@ne...>
> >>>  > >>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
> >>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:35 AM
> >>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> >>>  > Resources
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  A quick WHOIS on netsol.com says that
> >>>  > dynapi.com
> >>>  > >>>  is registered to Dan Steinman.
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Dan, what do you think about your dynapi.com
> >>>  > domain for this?
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  What do the rest of you think about dynapi.com?
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  I have extra (unlimited) hosting space for 4
> >>>  > more domains, I
> >>>  > >>>  could offer the web space for it.
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  I too think that it would be a good idea for
> >>>  > everyone willing to assist
> >>>  > >>>  in PRing to do so as there are hundreds
> >>>  > (thousands) of places to
> >>>  > >>>  advertise
> >>>  > >>>  excellent new software such as this:
> >>>  > >>>  devedge.netscape.com
> >>>  > >>>  forums.mozillazine.org
> >>>  > >>>  javascript.com and the internet.com consortium
> >>>  > >>>  press releases
> >>>  > >>>  maybe get Danny Goodman of the JavaScript
> >>>  > Bible's fame interested
> >>>  > >>>  Slashdot
> >>>  > >>>  javascript.about.com
> >>>  > >>>  not to mention the search engines and
> >>>  > directories
> >>>  > >>>  (am I getting carried away?)
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Maybe fly the idea by the group first, and
> >>>  > compile an approved list
> >>>  > >>>  with any
> >>>  > >>>  supporting materials/content for a PR rep to
> >>>  > submit.
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  Chris Kissinger
> >>>  > >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  From:
> >>>  > dyn...@li...
> >>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf Of
> >>>  > Daniel Tiru
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:46 PM
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
> >>>  > Scripting Resources
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Hi mate!
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  I think i get your point... Maybee we can
> >>>  > discuss sutch matters in
> >>>  > >>>  the
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  project for the new dynAPI system aswell?
> >>>  > On how to link or sutch
> >>>  > >>>  and
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  who shall be responsible? I think all can
> >>>  > be responsible but, it
> >>>  > >>>  might
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  be good to talk about it first as you
> >>>  > think(?) But those kinds of
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  requests maybee should be possible for
> >>>  > everyone to make.
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Besides that... I think for the whole we
> >>>  > should only link to the
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  "website" and not the sf site when we have
> >>>  > the new site up.
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Regards
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Daniel
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  From:
> >>>  > dyn...@li...
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> >>>  > Behalf Of Leif
> >>>  > >>>  W
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Sent: den 2 september 2003 20:29
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  To: DynAPI-Dev
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
> >>>  > Resources
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  On the "JavaScript Scripting Resources"
> >>>  > page (
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  http://mozilla.org/js/scripting/) on the
> >>>  > mozilla.org site, there's
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  still a link to Dan Steinman's DynAPI 1
> >>>  > (DynDuo).  We should
> >>>  > >>>  probably
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  have DynAPI's SourceForge link on such
> >>>  > pages, to generate more
> >>>  > >>>  traffic.
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  There's an email address at the bottom of
> >>>  > this particular page for
> >>>  > >>>  a
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  Robert Ginda <rginda [at] netscape (dot)
> >>>  > com>.  Do we have an
> >>>  > >>>  "official
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  contact" to handle such "PR" type stuff?
> >>>  > I thought of shooting
> >>>  > >>>  off a
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  quick email but realized I may not speak
> >>>  > for the entire group, if
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  people
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  think it's a good idea.  Also, as an
> >>>  > entity, it may be confusing
> >>>  > >>>  to
> >>>  > >>>  >>>  others unless there's a single person the
> >>>  > outside
> >>>  === message truncated ===
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>  http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com
> >>>
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

>>>  Though for an IIS server choice I don't 
>>>  know if the php/perl server extensions are available.

They usually are installed with a decent host.

 
Christopher Kissinger


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Kevin
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 2:23 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Yes php or perl to mysql (if needed). I hope the cgi would 
>>>  be implemented
>>>  as Apache modules. Though for an IIS server choice I don't 
>>>  know if the
>>>  php/perl server extensions are available.
>>>  
>>>  -
>>>  Kevin
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
>>>  > (www.sqlite.org)
>>>  > 
>>>  > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
>>>  > many php developers and site manager softwares
>>>  > available. 
>>>  > 
>>>  > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
>>>  > the best choice.
>>>  > 
>>>  > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
>>>  > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
>>>  > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
>>>  > 
>>>  > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
>>>  > 
>>>  > 
>>>  > --
>>>  > Raymond Irving
>>>  > 
>>>  > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
>>>  > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
>>>  > > member directory and
>>>  > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > But however...the question was about programming
>>>  > > language and not
>>>  > > databases or not :)
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Regards
>>>  > > Daniel
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > -----Original Message-----
>>>  > > From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>>>  > > Behalf Of Cristian
>>>  > > Grigoriu
>>>  > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
>>>  > > To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
>>>  > > database driven?
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
>>>  > > However, for a poll we
>>>  > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
>>>  > > definitely need a
>>>  > > server-side scripting technology.
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > Daniel
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > Grig
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > > > What programming language do you think we should
>>>  > > use for the 
>>>  > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
>>>  > > do we have
>>>  > > > any options?
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
>>>  > > we should stay away 
>>>  > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
>>>  > > Otherwise, I would 
>>>  > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
>>>  > > portable.
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > > What do you say?
>>>  > > > > Regards
>>>  > > > > Daniel
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Grig
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > >
>>>  > -------------------------------------------------------
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>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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>>>  > > Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >
>>>  > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > > 
>>>  > >
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>>>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
>>>  > 
>>>  > 
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>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

Not that the site will need a whole lot of server-side
processing, I'm guessing, but I can assist with ASP if
we go with the outside hosting route. Although a lengthy
rehash of the SourceForge docs says...

From: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=4297&group_id=1

"The SourceForge.net project web servers all run Linux
in conjunction with the Apache web server software. Also
provided are the PHP scripting language suite and access
to MySQL database services."

"Server-side scripting languages, such as PHP, perl, and
python, give projects the means to..."

"The SourceForge.net Compile Farm may be used to compile
C-based and C++-based CGI scripts. Both the perl and python
scripting languages are supported for CGI scripting purposes."

"MySQL database services are provided, upon request, to all
projects hosted on SourceForge.net."

So there is power already at the disposal of those allowed to
sign up for the developers group.
 
Christopher Kissinger


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif W
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 12:20 PM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  PHP all the way.  It's free technology, it's powerful, easy to use,
>>>  ubiquitous scripting language, with MySQL support.  Perl 
>>>  is powerful also,
>>>  arguably more powerful with all the fancy modules 
>>>  available, but maybe
>>>  slightly less easy to script in.  DB, if any, MySQL again, 
>>>  as it's powerful,
>>>  fast, easy to use, and I know it a little (ok moderate - I 
>>>  never used
>>>  phpMyAdmin, I do it all by hand).  :-)  If we're just 
>>>  having an occasional
>>>  poll, don't see an immediate strong need for SQL at all, 
>>>  could just be
>>>  flat-file text or some binary hash DB or something.  For 
>>>  scalability (if we
>>>  start with a non-SQL format and later want to import all 
>>>  the old data to
>>>  SQL), it would be wise to take a small amount of time to 
>>>  document the file
>>>  format and write a little SQL converter.  However, I've 
>>>  had experience with
>>>  C code and a custom binary DB format, and I successfully 
>>>  extracted the data
>>>  using both Perl and PHP (it was trivial to convert the 
>>>  Perl script to PHP),
>>>  and once the data is extracted it's again trivial to wrap 
>>>  it in some plain
>>>  text SQL file.  While we're at it, Apache should be the 
>>>  server, as it's more
>>>  secure, free, widely known and used.  Finally, again, for 
>>>  those not familiar
>>>  or comfortable with PHP, I highly reccomend their manual.  
>>>  There's a CHM (M$
>>>  compiled HTML format) manual which I tend to leave open on 
>>>  my desktop, as
>>>  it's easy to search, and full of good info.  There's also 
>>>  any number of
>>>  books available on programming with PHP and MySQL.  I've 
>>>  got a few PDF
>>>  copies lying around...  And of course I'd be happy to try 
>>>  and answer any
>>>  questions, or there's probably a support mailing list or 
>>>  forum too, which
>>>  are a wealth of information.
>>>  
>>>  About having a site off SF, I see no problem, as long as 
>>>  we can have some
>>>  automation of the mirroring, for backup and redundancy (in 
>>>  addition to
>>>  Apache, PHP4 and 5 when it's stable, MySQL and secure FTP 
>>>  access).  Just add
>>>  a "mirrors" link, or simply links to both sites on the first page.
>>>  
>>>  Leif
>>>  
>>>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>  From: "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>
>>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 11:16 AM
>>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  >
>>>  > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
>>>  > (www.sqlite.org)
>>>  >
>>>  > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
>>>  > many php developers and site manager softwares
>>>  > available.
>>>  >
>>>  > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
>>>  > the best choice.
>>>  >
>>>  > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
>>>  > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
>>>  > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
>>>  >
>>>  > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  > --
>>>  > Raymond Irving
>>>  >
>>>  > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
>>>  > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
>>>  > >
>>>  > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
>>>  > > member directory and
>>>  > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
>>>  > >
>>>  > > But however...the question was about programming
>>>  > > language and not
>>>  > > databases or not :)
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Regards
>>>  > > Daniel
>>>  > >
>>>  > > -----Original Message-----
>>>  > > From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>>>  > > Behalf Of Cristian
>>>  > > Grigoriu
>>>  > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
>>>  > > To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
>>>  > > database driven?
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
>>>  > > However, for a poll we
>>>  > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
>>>  > > definitely need a
>>>  > > server-side scripting technology.
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > Daniel
>>>  > >
>>>  > > Grig
>>>  > >
>>>  > > > > What programming language do you think we should
>>>  > > use for the
>>>  > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
>>>  > > do we have
>>>  > > > any options?
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
>>>  > > we should stay away
>>>  > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
>>>  > > Otherwise, I would
>>>  > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
>>>  > > portable.
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > > What do you say?
>>>  > > > > Regards
>>>  > > > > Daniel
>>>  > > >
>>>  > > > Grig
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > -------------------------------------------------------
>>>  > > This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek
>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
>>>  > > _______________________________________________
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>>>  > > Dyn...@li...
>>>  > >
>>>  > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-help
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
>>>  > >
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>>>  > > Welcome to geek heaven.
>>>  > > http://thinkgeek.com/sf
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>>>  > >
>>>  > http://www.mail-archive.com/dyn...@li.../
>>>  >
>>>  >
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>>>  >
>>>  >
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources

[C K. <cki...@ne...>]

OK, I get the point.
The idea is to just redo the SF site.

I thought it would help PR if we had dynapi.com
or somesuch domain as the "public access" or
slick "final release" site and concentrate on
the SF site as dev site.

 
Christopher Kissinger
Web Development Consultant
 
Net Industries, Inc.
www.netindustries.net


>>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  From: dyn...@li... 
>>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf 
>>>  Of Raymond Irving
>>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 9:51 AM
>>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting Resources
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  Hi Chris,
>>>  
>>>  Please see below:
>>>  
>>>  --- C Kissinger <cki...@ne...> wrote:
>>>  > OK, so if Dan has any input soon or if we could
>>>  > contact him, we ask him if he's willing to point
>>>  > his DNS at our IPs? Prefer .com, .org, or .net?
>>>  
>>>  Ok. Are we planning on moving the DynAPI website from
>>>  SF to another ISP?
>>>  
>>>  > Like I said, I would be willing to put up the web
>>>  > space, unless someone else has a better deal
>>>  > (static IP with in-house server and OC3 maybe?).
>>>  
>>>  Hmmm.. This is something that the webteam will have to
>>>  agree on. Keeping the website on SF would make it
>>>  accessible to all would be sf developers. The other
>>>  things that comes to mind when moving to another ISP
>>>  is the ability of the propiety ISP to provide backups,
>>>  24x7 support, etc
>>>  
>>>   
>>>  > As for PR, you're right Leif. We should compile a
>>>  > comprehensive list for release all at once, slightly
>>>  > before launch.
>>>  
>>>  I also like this PR idea. I think it's well needed.
>>>  
>>>  --
>>>  Raymond Irving
>>>   
>>>  > Christopher D. Kissinger
>>>  > 
>>>  > >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  From: dyn...@li...
>>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
>>>  > >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf Of Leif
>>>  > W
>>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 10:53 AM
>>>  > >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
>>>  > Resources
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Doing a comprehensive check (DNS, web, mail),
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Also checked dynapi.net and dynapi.org, and Dan
>>>  > Steinman has both of
>>>  > >>>  those
>>>  > >>>  also.  All three domains are using DynDNS for
>>>  > their DNS, so they would
>>>  > >>>  need
>>>  > >>>  to be updated (i.e. to a static dns within
>>>  > DynDNS) or changed to a
>>>  > >>>  different
>>>  > >>>  DNS provider.  dynapi.org and dynapi.net both
>>>  > point to the same RCN
>>>  > >>>  cable
>>>  > >>>  account while dynapi.com doesn't have an IP. 
>>>  > dynapi.com, .net, and
>>>  > >>>  .org all
>>>  > >>>  don't hit a standard web server (i.e. port 80.)
>>>  >  This would need
>>>  > >>>  changing to
>>>  > >>>  hit the webservers.  www.dynapi.org redirects
>>>  > to
>>>  > >>>  http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/dynapi/,
>>>  > www.dynapi.net redirects to
>>>  > >>>  dynapi.net:82.  These would need to point to
>>>  > the new IP.  dynapi.net
>>>  > >>>  has an
>>>  > >>>  MX record pointing to dynapi.net with a mail
>>>  > server listening, while
>>>  > >>>  dynapi.com and dynapi.org have no MX records. 
>>>  > If we're going to set up
>>>  > >>>  mail
>>>  > >>>  capabilities (accounts or simply forwards) on a
>>>  > new server, MX records
>>>  > >>>  would
>>>  > >>>  also have to be added/updated.
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  As far as the advertisement aspect goes, I'd
>>>  > volunteer as the primary
>>>  > >>>  contact, and if anyone has suggestions or
>>>  > instructions about where to
>>>  > >>>  go,
>>>  > >>>  who to contact, how to make submissions to
>>>  > other places, I'd be able to
>>>  > >>>  do
>>>  > >>>  that to help spread the word of the project. 
>>>  > Would probably want to
>>>  > >>>  get
>>>  > >>>  some of that started a little before the
>>>  > release of the new site and
>>>  > >>>  the
>>>  > >>>  post-beta of the DynAPI.
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Leif
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  > >>>  From: "C Kissinger"
>>>  > <cki...@ne...>
>>>  > >>>  To: <dyn...@li...>
>>>  > >>>  Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2003 1:35 AM
>>>  > >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
>>>  > Resources
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  A quick WHOIS on netsol.com says that
>>>  > dynapi.com
>>>  > >>>  is registered to Dan Steinman.
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Dan, what do you think about your dynapi.com
>>>  > domain for this?
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  What do the rest of you think about dynapi.com?
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  I have extra (unlimited) hosting space for 4
>>>  > more domains, I
>>>  > >>>  could offer the web space for it.
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  I too think that it would be a good idea for
>>>  > everyone willing to assist
>>>  > >>>  in PRing to do so as there are hundreds
>>>  > (thousands) of places to
>>>  > >>>  advertise
>>>  > >>>  excellent new software such as this:
>>>  > >>>  devedge.netscape.com
>>>  > >>>  forums.mozillazine.org
>>>  > >>>  javascript.com and the internet.com consortium
>>>  > >>>  press releases
>>>  > >>>  maybe get Danny Goodman of the JavaScript
>>>  > Bible's fame interested
>>>  > >>>  Slashdot
>>>  > >>>  javascript.about.com
>>>  > >>>  not to mention the search engines and
>>>  > directories
>>>  > >>>  (am I getting carried away?)
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Maybe fly the idea by the group first, and
>>>  > compile an approved list
>>>  > >>>  with any
>>>  > >>>  supporting materials/content for a PR rep to
>>>  > submit.
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  Chris Kissinger
>>>  > >>>  
>>>  > >>>  >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  >>>  From:
>>>  > dyn...@li...
>>>  > [mailto:dynapi-dev-
>>>  > >>>  >>>  ad...@li...] On Behalf Of
>>>  > Daniel Tiru
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2003 1:46 PM
>>>  > >>>  >>>  To: dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript
>>>  > Scripting Resources
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Hi mate!
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  I think i get your point... Maybee we can
>>>  > discuss sutch matters in
>>>  > >>>  the
>>>  > >>>  >>>  project for the new dynAPI system aswell?
>>>  > On how to link or sutch
>>>  > >>>  and
>>>  > >>>  >>>  who shall be responsible? I think all can
>>>  > be responsible but, it
>>>  > >>>  might
>>>  > >>>  >>>  be good to talk about it first as you
>>>  > think(?) But those kinds of
>>>  > >>>  >>>  requests maybee should be possible for
>>>  > everyone to make.
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Besides that... I think for the whole we
>>>  > should only link to the
>>>  > >>>  >>>  "website" and not the sf site when we have
>>>  > the new site up.
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Regards
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Daniel
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  -----Original Message-----
>>>  > >>>  >>>  From:
>>>  > dyn...@li...
>>>  > >>>  >>> 
>>>  > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>>>  > Behalf Of Leif
>>>  > >>>  W
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Sent: den 2 september 2003 20:29
>>>  > >>>  >>>  To: DynAPI-Dev
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] JavaScript Scripting
>>>  > Resources
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>
>>>  > >>>  >>>  On the "JavaScript Scripting Resources"
>>>  > page (
>>>  > >>>  >>>  http://mozilla.org/js/scripting/) on the
>>>  > mozilla.org site, there's
>>>  > >>>  >>>  still a link to Dan Steinman's DynAPI 1
>>>  > (DynDuo).  We should
>>>  > >>>  probably
>>>  > >>>  >>>  have DynAPI's SourceForge link on such
>>>  > pages, to generate more
>>>  > >>>  traffic.
>>>  > >>>  >>>  There's an email address at the bottom of
>>>  > this particular page for
>>>  > >>>  a
>>>  > >>>  >>>  Robert Ginda <rginda [at] netscape (dot)
>>>  > com>.  Do we have an
>>>  > >>>  "official
>>>  > >>>  >>>  contact" to handle such "PR" type stuff? 
>>>  > I thought of shooting
>>>  > >>>  off a
>>>  > >>>  >>>  quick email but realized I may not speak
>>>  > for the entire group, if
>>>  > >>>  >>>  people
>>>  > >>>  >>>  think it's a good idea.  Also, as an
>>>  > entity, it may be confusing
>>>  > >>>  to
>>>  > >>>  >>>  others unless there's a single person the
>>>  > outside 
>>>  === message truncated ===
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  __________________________________
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[Dynapi-Dev] Re: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "C Kissinger" <cki...@ne...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 5:29 PM
Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage


> I think the choice for client-side scripting should be obvious.
> The whole site should serve as a working example of DynAPI.
>
> As for server-side processing, that would depend on the web server
> we decide on using. I've mentioned that I have web space available
> for 4 more domains with unlimited space and resource utilization
> on an IIS 5 server, which includes ASP, .Net, Java, PHP, and
> CGI(C++ exe, Perl, VB exe). Anyone else have hosting ideas?

Well, here's my take.  I have a strong aversion to IIS (if you've seen my
previous post), as I've worked with IIS (at a former employer) side by side
with Apache on FreeBSD / Linux, and IIS proved mostly a security liability
and a humungous PITA.

Coincidentally, this former employer I mentioned, I left them on less than
good terms, due to personal and professional political reasons, as opposed
to technical or financial.  One of the worst professional falling-out I've
had.  So bad, I refuse to allow myself to ask them for any job reference,
although I don't doubt their professional integrity to commend me for the
positive contributions I made.  But even with that history going on, I have
such a strong aversion to IIS that I'd consider contacting them about
hosting.

I doubt it'd be free, but you never know.  And if not, I'm sure it'd be
reasonable.  Anyone have any idea on how much bandwidth our little DynAPI
site uses (downloads could stay at SF)?  How much traffic, hits per day,
etc?  Any usage statistics at all?  If it's below 1GB/month traffic, and
only low to moderate traffic (hopefully not slashdotted), I'm fairly
confident that the company would be more receptive to at least talking about
a reduced rate.  I know their servers have MySQL, Apache, FreeBSD, and PHP
and Perl, and gcc, ssh, and FTP all running.  And I know the people are
great about security issues.  I used to help admin the stuff.  They also
handle DNS stuff, and email hosting or forwarding, if needed.  They're no
slouches or fatcat managers.  Just hackers like you and me, but with a solid
business plan.

Let me know if this would be a possibility, and if we had to pay a little
then how much could people spare?  Pass a can around, throw in a quarter, a
dollar, a fiver or ten each year, it'd add up.

Leif

> Christopher Kissinger
> Web Development Consultant
>
> Net Industries, Inc.
> www.netindustries.net
>
>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
> >>>  Of Daniel Tiru
> >>>  Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 6:13 AM
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  Sorry mate, wrong list :)
> >>>
> >>>  /Tiru
> >>>
> >>>  -----Original Message-----
> >>>  From: dyn...@li...
> >>>  [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf
> >>>  Of Matthias Foschepoth
> >>>  Sent: den 4 september 2003 13:08
> >>>  To: dyn...@li...
> >>>  Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>  > Hi folks!
> >>>  >
> >>>  > What programming language do you think we should use for the
> >>>  > development of the homepage? Should we vote or do we
> >>>  have any options?
> >>>  >
> >>>  > Myself cant help out with PHP if that will be the
> >>>  language of our
> >>>  > choise and if we use asp i know some people wont be able
> >>>  to help out
> >>>  > with that either...
> >>>  >
> >>>
> >>>  Hi!
> >>>
> >>>  Am I wrong and didn't subscribed to mailing list about
> >>>  DynApi? What Homepage you're talking about? DynApi works
> >>>  client sided. PHP, Perl and databases server sided.
> >>>
> >>>  Best regards,
> >>>
> >>>  Matthias
> >>>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Homepage

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Kevin" <ke...@ke...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 3:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
>
> Yes php or perl to mysql (if needed). I hope the cgi would be implemented
> as Apache modules.

Not sure if you mean any CGI apps be written as Apache modules (which are
typically written in C and compiled into Apache, or as DSO *.so files), or
if you mean the scripting language's interpreter be a module (as in mod_php
or mod_perl, as opposed to a CGI version of php or perl typically placed in
/usr/bin or /usr/local/bin).  Assuming you meant the latter.

> Though for an IIS server choice I don't know if the
> php/perl server extensions are available.

I think Perl and PHP have some ISAPI interface (if that's the right thing).
It's been a long time since I played with IIS.  But I think the performance
is severely degraded on IIS, not to mention all the vulnerabilities, etc.
which may have nothing to due with the Perl or PHP modules, but with
libraries they're compiled against for use in windows (i.e. dependent on
potentially vulnerable code).  But that said, even if it's a Linux or
FreeBSD server, it's only as secure as sysadmin makes it with the updated
software and proper configs.

> -
> Kevin
>
>
> > For database we could use either MySQL or SQLite
> > (www.sqlite.org)
> >
> > For server-side coding I would go for php as their are
> > many php developers and site manager softwares
> > available.
> >
> > Personally I like and know ASP, but that might not be
> > the best choice.
> >
> > If we plan on moving the homepage to anothe ISP we
> > could ask the provider to use the latest verion of php
> > so we could use phpwebsites, etc
> >
> > The current homepage could be used as a mirror.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> >
> > --- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> > > Yes... We dont need a database for that either :)
> > >
> > > But i feel like it will be quite "dull" to have the
> > > member directory and
> > > those kinds of stuff in textfiles..
> > >
> > > But however...the question was about programming
> > > language and not
> > > databases or not :)
> > >
> > > Regards
> > > Daniel
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dyn...@li...
> > > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> > > Behalf Of Cristian
> > > Grigoriu
> > > Sent: den 4 september 2003 20:10
> > > To: dyn...@li...
> > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Help] Homepage
> > >
> > >
> > > > How should we do with polls and sutch if its not
> > > database driven?
> > >
> > > Well, that's what I meant by "whenever possible".
> > > However, for a poll we
> > > still don't need a database backend :) but we
> > > definitely need a
> > > server-side scripting technology.
> > >
> > > > Daniel
> > >
> > > Grig
> > >
> > > > > What programming language do you think we should
> > > use for the
> > > > > development of the homepage? Should we vote or
> > > do we have
> > > > any options?
> > > >
> > > > Since our website is not database-driven I think
> > > we should stay away
> > > > from server-side scripting whenever possible.
> > > Otherwise, I would
> > > > suggest PHP considering it's Open Source and
> > > portable.
> > > >
> > > > > What do you say?
> > > > > Regards
> > > > > Daniel
> > > >
> > > > Grig
> > >
> > >
> > >
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