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From: Matthew A. S. <ms...@sh...> - 2001-02-18 21:17:26
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Well, I would. Seems only logical to me coming from a mostly windows background. =20 -- Matthew -----Original Message----- From: Doug Melvin [mailto:do...@cr...] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 3:31 PM To: dyn...@li... Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] RE: DynAPI 2 ScrollBar - Update In windows, if you hold down on a standard scrollbar's up/down or left/right scroll arrow, the bar keeps scrolling until you let go.. same with holding the mouse down on the background of the scroll bar. =20 So, How many people would like to see this feature in the DynAPI 2 scrollBar? =20 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm <http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm>=20 Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com <http://www.grisoft.com> ). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
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From: Raymond S. <dst...@or...> - 2001-02-18 21:06:24
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JSP is slow, ASP has a stench I don't like (not sure what causes it, scares the .net right out of me). PHP is fast and the launguage is pretty easy to get up to speed on. Additionally, it's pretty easy for developers to install it if required. Also there are alot of nice Open Source PHP apps on Source Forge that would be nice back-end testbeds. Maybe we should do prototype modeling in PHP to start with? WebOS is using XML for legacy support and multiple platforms integration reasons and would be overkill for the base DynAPI. If somebody needs it they can build it in themselves. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Rainwater" <rra...@ya...> To: "DynAPI Development List" <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 12:49 PM Subject: Re[4]: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. > > You can do it in any language (JSP, asp, php, etc). I think if we set > up a standard way of creating the server-side components, they can be > ported from language to language. Then each component would have the > same functionality no matter what server-side language you use. > > -- > // Robert Rainwater > > On 2/18/2001, 2:38:04 PM EST, Matthew wrote about "[Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading.": > > > Are you talking about a serverside Java component? I think one of the > > main problems is the Macintosh client side java support. JS has no way > > to talk to a Java Applet on the Mac IEs. I'll have to take a look at my > > Remote Scripting stuff but I am pretty sure that's the conclusion that I > > came to. > > > M. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Robert Rainwater [mailto:rra...@ya...] > > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:35 AM > > To: DynAPI Development List > > Subject: Re[2]: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. > > > > > Does anyone have Dan's old servertasks objects (Pascal? Dan?). I > > think that creating server side components is the only way to create > > truly cross-browser loading. > > > > ---------------------- > DynAPI Snapshots: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ > DynAPI Homepage: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
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From: Robert R. <rra...@ya...> - 2001-02-18 20:48:56
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You can do it in any language (JSP, asp, php, etc). I think if we set up a standard way of creating the server-side components, they can be ported from language to language. Then each component would have the same functionality no matter what server-side language you use. -- // Robert Rainwater On 2/18/2001, 2:38:04 PM EST, Matthew wrote about "[Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading.": > Are you talking about a serverside Java component? I think one of the > main problems is the Macintosh client side java support. JS has no way > to talk to a Java Applet on the Mac IEs. I'll have to take a look at my > Remote Scripting stuff but I am pretty sure that's the conclusion that I > came to. > M. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Rainwater [mailto:rra...@ya...] > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:35 AM > To: DynAPI Development List > Subject: Re[2]: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. > Does anyone have Dan's old servertasks objects (Pascal? Dan?). I > think that creating server side components is the only way to create > truly cross-browser loading. ---------------------- DynAPI Snapshots: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ DynAPI Homepage: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/ |
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From: Matthew A. S. <ms...@sh...> - 2001-02-18 20:32:12
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Are you talking about a serverside Java component? I think one of the main problems is the Macintosh client side java support. JS has no way to talk to a Java Applet on the Mac IEs. I'll have to take a look at my Remote Scripting stuff but I am pretty sure that's the conclusion that I came to. M. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Rainwater [mailto:rra...@ya...] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 11:35 AM To: DynAPI Development List Subject: Re[2]: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. Does anyone have Dan's old servertasks objects (Pascal? Dan?). I think that creating server side components is the only way to create truly cross-browser loading. --=20 // Robert Rainwater On 2/18/2001, 5:27:54 PM EST, Doug wrote about "[Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading.": > Very nice! > How far back is it compatable? > NS 4.what > IE? > ----- Original Message -----=20 > From: Michael Pemberton=20 > To: dyn...@li...=20 > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. > The loadpanel is not the only method of downloading content from a server.=20 > I'm in the process of finishing off a method of downloading content without the need to create a lot of new objects and it will be more powerful than the loadpanel.=20 > At the moment, it is still a WIP but is close to completion. It can be seen in action here.=20 > You'll see that it executed JS and also extracts the various parts of the downloaded page.=20 > The main "bug" at the moment is that the MAC versions of java do not include the required classes for downloading the content. there is no easy way of fixing this unless you write the code to > work with the java plugin and force all your clients to download the java plugin.=20 > Raymond Smith wrote:=20 > While I agree that the WebOS solution is overkill for the DynAPI. The=20 > Loadpanel approach is not the most solid bridge to deliver dynamic (dynamic=20 > being defined as 'dynamic server/client interaction') content. I think we=20 > need to explore alternatives/improvements to the glue between the DynAPI and=20 > the wealth of server-side power that exists out there.=20 > JS is client. It performs best in that world. The server-side unlocks a=20 > whole new world of "dynamics" that currently tend to funnel into very "dead"=20 > client interfaces. That's what peaked my interest in the DynAPI in the=20 > first place. I loath the limited realm that FLASH delivers along with its=20 > pathetic CPU chewing rendering engine. I like the fact that the DynAPI=20 > leaves options 100% open for me to pick and choose front-to-back delivery=20 > platforms.=20 > Currently loadpanel is probably the weakest link supporting the DynAPI=20 > platform. But it is the "only" link we currently have to bridge between two=20 > very different worlds. Fix and optimize it....,=20 > then you will see magic...=20 > The "art" of client side interface will meet the "fandango dance" of the=20 > server-side apps and really enhance the overall forumla for developing and=20 > delivering the web experiences of tomorrow.=20 > Ray=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > Dynapi-Dev mailing list=20 > Dyn...@li...=20 > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > --=20 > Michael Pemberton=20 > mp...@ph...=20 > ICQ: 12107010=20 =20 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 ---------------------- DynAPI Snapshots: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ DynAPI Homepage: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/ _______________________________________________ Dynapi-Dev mailing list Dyn...@li... http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev |
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From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-18 20:31:59
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In windows, if you hold down on a standard scrollbar's up/down or = left/right scroll arrow, the bar keeps scrolling until you let go.. same with holding the mouse down on the background of the scroll bar. So, How many people would like to see this feature in the DynAPI 2 = scrollBar? --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
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From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-18 20:02:26
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here's the most uptodate "junk" I could find.. it most likely needs updating.. little snippet of original post (sorry Dan :) > Here's the updated ServerTask (it works the same as before). The > calculator/translator/mailbox are not server-side scripts but hard-coded > examples. The servertasks don't really do anything they just fake it to > display how it works. I added a hash ServerTask data type. probably needs some updating.. but have fun with it Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net |
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From: Robert R. <rra...@ya...> - 2001-02-18 19:33:21
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Does anyone have Dan's old servertasks objects (Pascal? Dan?). I think that creating server side components is the only way to create truly cross-browser loading. -- // Robert Rainwater On 2/18/2001, 5:27:54 PM EST, Doug wrote about "[Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading.": > Very nice! > How far back is it compatable? > NS 4.what > IE? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Michael Pemberton > To: dyn...@li... > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:05 AM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading. > The loadpanel is not the only method of downloading content from a server. > I'm in the process of finishing off a method of downloading content without the need to create a lot of new objects and it will be more powerful than the loadpanel. > At the moment, it is still a WIP but is close to completion. It can be seen in action here. > You'll see that it executed JS and also extracts the various parts of the downloaded page. > The main "bug" at the moment is that the MAC versions of java do not include the required classes for downloading the content. there is no easy way of fixing this unless you write the code to > work with the java plugin and force all your clients to download the java plugin. > Raymond Smith wrote: > While I agree that the WebOS solution is overkill for the DynAPI. The > Loadpanel approach is not the most solid bridge to deliver dynamic (dynamic > being defined as 'dynamic server/client interaction') content. I think we > need to explore alternatives/improvements to the glue between the DynAPI and > the wealth of server-side power that exists out there. > JS is client. It performs best in that world. The server-side unlocks a > whole new world of "dynamics" that currently tend to funnel into very "dead" > client interfaces. That's what peaked my interest in the DynAPI in the > first place. I loath the limited realm that FLASH delivers along with its > pathetic CPU chewing rendering engine. I like the fact that the DynAPI > leaves options 100% open for me to pick and choose front-to-back delivery > platforms. > Currently loadpanel is probably the weakest link supporting the DynAPI > platform. But it is the "only" link we currently have to bridge between two > very different worlds. Fix and optimize it...., > then you will see magic... > The "art" of client side interface will meet the "fandango dance" of the > server-side apps and really enhance the overall forumla for developing and > delivering the web experiences of tomorrow. > Ray > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > -- > Michael Pemberton > mp...@ph... > ICQ: 12107010 > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition > http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 ---------------------- DynAPI Snapshots: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/snapshot/ DynAPI Homepage: http://dynapi.sourceforge.net/ |
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From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-18 19:33:06
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I've been saying for month now that the API is getting bloated.. We REALLY need to re-evaluate the current structure and code.. As I'm sure your getrting tired of hearing, 2 minutes is simple TOO long for a site to load. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:28 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas vs. DynLayer > > You just don't get it. > Let's avoid this kind of disrespect where possible. > > You've done some interesting work, and now that there's something tangible > to work with I spent some time testing it. > I can't comment on whether or not objects are being passed, or assigned > static or whatever, simply on test results. > I find the results show not necessarily how fast Canvas is, but how horribly > slow DynAPI has grown. > I did some extended testing, and put this online, so others can compare the > results for themselves. > > I did the test without children, one building 1000 layers, one building 200 > layers. > I applied these to: > * Canvas > * DynAPI 25/jan/01 release > * DynaCore 2001/01/13 release > * DynAPI Lite 29/aug/2000 > * DynAPI Lite Compact code 29/aug/2000 > > My results where: (in ms. on p3 550 winMe IE5.5 128ram) > Canvas 1000 18.130 > Canvas 200 1.320 > DynAPI 1000 94.470 > DynAPI 200 4390 > DynaCore 1000 21.030 > DynaCore 200 1.430 > DynAPI Lite 1000 9.340 > DynAPI Lite 200 1.200 > DynAPI Comp.1000 11.590 > DynAPI Comp. 200 1.100 > > The tests are online here: > http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/tcanvas/ > > If anyone wants to add files or anything here's the FTP: > username: dynapi > password: dynapi > > I think it's clear there is something seriously slowing down the DynAPI, if > DynaCore is so much faster with more or less the same functionality, > something's wrong. > Also I'm all for including the Lite files again, as their times are very > good. > > Cheers, > Richard Bennett > > ma...@ri... > www.richardinfo.com > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2) > Find the DynAPI faq here: > http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=656&group_id=5757 > Browse the mailinglist here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=dynapi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas vs. DynLayer > > > > You just don't get it. > > It's not that I use different code and the version I tested with has a > > children list. (uses my TList so didn't include it). > > The reason it's faster is such. When browsers parse js code and create > > objects they create actual objects in their application. That means that > for > > every dynlayer there is an object inside Netscape or IE with actual > objects > > in them. In your method of creation you: > > Create new DynLayer() > > Call add child to the parent > > Parent does the following > > static Create the virtual object > > static Create the actual element > > static Assign the element > > This means that the browser has to > > Get Parent object in browsers memory > > Call addchild > > Call static line and create js object > > Call static line and create js element > > Call staticassignment where you have to get obj1 and obj2 and assign > > and more of this type of thing > > It slows down the process by a whole lot > > What my create does is: > > Create new Canvas() > > myCanvas.create does this: > > Check who the parent is > > if null create in the actual document > > if Canvas create under it > > No passing of object between methods, not assigning no static methods. > > > > 8an > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free by AVG Free Edition http://www.grisoft.com/html/us_index.cfm Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 |
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From: Doug M. <do...@cr...> - 2001-02-18 19:29:20
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Very nice!
How far back is it compatable?
NS 4.what
IE?
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Michael Pemberton=20
To: dyn...@li...=20
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Dynamic Loading.
The loadpanel is not the only method of downloading content from a =
server.=20
I'm in the process of finishing off a method of downloading content =
without the need to create a lot of new objects and it will be more =
powerful than the loadpanel.=20
At the moment, it is still a WIP but is close to completion. It can =
be seen in action here.=20
You'll see that it executed JS and also extracts the various parts of =
the downloaded page.=20
The main "bug" at the moment is that the MAC versions of java do not =
include the required classes for downloading the content. there is no =
easy way of fixing this unless you write the code to work with the java =
plugin and force all your clients to download the java plugin.=20
Raymond Smith wrote:=20
While I agree that the WebOS solution is overkill for the DynAPI. =
The=20
Loadpanel approach is not the most solid bridge to deliver dynamic =
(dynamic=20
being defined as 'dynamic server/client interaction') content. I =
think we=20
need to explore alternatives/improvements to the glue between the =
DynAPI and=20
the wealth of server-side power that exists out there.=20
JS is client. It performs best in that world. The server-side =
unlocks a=20
whole new world of "dynamics" that currently tend to funnel into =
very "dead"=20
client interfaces. That's what peaked my interest in the DynAPI in =
the=20
first place. I loath the limited realm that FLASH delivers along =
with its=20
pathetic CPU chewing rendering engine. I like the fact that the =
DynAPI=20
leaves options 100% open for me to pick and choose front-to-back =
delivery=20
platforms.=20
Currently loadpanel is probably the weakest link supporting the =
DynAPI=20
platform. But it is the "only" link we currently have to bridge =
between two=20
very different worlds. Fix and optimize it....,=20
then you will see magic...=20
The "art" of client side interface will meet the "fandango dance" of =
the=20
server-side apps and really enhance the overall forumla for =
developing and=20
delivering the web experiences of tomorrow.=20
Ray=20
_______________________________________________=20
Dynapi-Dev mailing list=20
Dyn...@li...=20
http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
--=20
Michael Pemberton=20
mp...@ph...=20
ICQ: 12107010=20
=20
---
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From: Pascal B. <pa...@dy...> - 2001-02-18 19:02:17
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no prob. Pascal Bestebroer pa...@dy... http://www.dynamic-core.net > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: dyn...@li... > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Eytan Heidingsfeld > Verzonden: zondag 18 februari 2001 19:12 > Aan: dyn...@li... > Onderwerp: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas vs. DynLayer > > > I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful. > Just frustrated with my boss at work, > sorry pascal > 8an > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
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From: Eytan H. <ey...@tr...> - 2001-02-18 18:10:44
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I am sorry if I sounded disrespectful. Just frustrated with my boss at work, sorry pascal 8an |
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From: Henrik V. <hv...@ya...> - 2001-02-18 17:56:57
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No, I haven't given up on the modifier issue. In fact it's in the last = update (ccreation.2001.02.17). just have to bug-test and get it fixed = for NS6. Check out the exempelfiles I updated to the ftp-site, the CTRL = feature works in IE5 AND NS4.76 :) The alt key doesn't work in NS4 so I = didn't include it. BTW the layerpos I can't do anything about get NS6-compatible since it = depends totally upon the getWidth/getHeight (and getX/getY) of = dyndocument/dynlayer. Should be working when the rest of dynapi is = NS6-compatible though. Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > :o) I updated them yesterday. > The old (not working files are still on the server though, so come in = the > front door: > http://www.richardinfo.com/?menu=3Dexamples&node=3D7 >=20 >=20 > Apart from that the ftp is better for cross browser testing, as my = site > doesn't support NS6 yet. > The only problem is they're not keen on .zip files, and they change = the file > permissions on them. >=20 > Why exactly have you given up on the modifier issue? I know NS/IE is > possible, is it a Mac problem? >=20 > Richard >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henrik V=E5glin" <hv...@ya...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site >=20 >=20 > > No disrespect Richard, but download from your site doesn't seems to = work > out ("403 file access error"). I've uploaded the files though, so live = run > of the ccreation extension pack can now be done at > > > > = http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm > > http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.layerpos.htm > > > > Now all; detailed testresults from running these on different = platforms > and browsers are apprieated. I've only run tests in IE5.5 NS4.76 and = I'm on > my way to get it to work in NS6 on a system with win98 and 128Mb RAM. = if you > do submit a bugreport, be sure to include the javascript and you're = most > welecome to also try and track down the javascript error if you're = able. I'm > not the most complete javascript programmer but at least I know the = code > somewhat, so do post ;) > > > > Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > I put up some ftp space here a while back, which is free for all, = do > what > > > you want here: > > > > > > ftp.dynapi.f2s.com > > > username: dynapi > > > password: dynapi > > > url: http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/ > > > It also supports PHP/Perl-cgi and Database. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Richard Bennett > > > > > > ma...@ri... > > > www.richardinfo.com > > > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of > DynAPI2) > > > Find the DynAPI faq here: > > > = http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D656&group_id=3D5757= > > > Browse the mailinglist here: > > > http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=3Ddynapi > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Henrik V=E5glin" <hv...@ya...> > > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:54 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > > > > What's your problem with ccreation keyevents extension, eh? ;) = Which > > > system, platform & browser (version) are you using and7or getting = what > > > error. > > > > If you're refering to the one at richard's site I updated the = distro > today > > > and posted an open link to download it from (on xdrive.com) on the = help > > > mailinglist in lack of other good webspace with FTP-access. > NS6-compability > > > is in working right now, but I have no ability to try under any = other > > > platform and/or browser than IE 5.5, NS4.x & just today installed = NS6 > under > > > win 98. If you leave a full bug report maybe I'm able to get it = fixed :) > > > > > > > > Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ] > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...> > > > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:35 PM > > > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > > > > > > > Noticed that the sunewave doesn't work and also the > > > > > ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm > > > > > > > > > > 8an > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > > > Dyn...@li... > > > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > > Dyn...@li... > > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > > > Namezero.com. 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Namezero Plus domains now available. > > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev >=20 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Richard B. <ma...@ri...> - 2001-02-18 17:28:23
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> You just don't get it. Let's avoid this kind of disrespect where possible. You've done some interesting work, and now that there's something tangible to work with I spent some time testing it. I can't comment on whether or not objects are being passed, or assigned static or whatever, simply on test results. I find the results show not necessarily how fast Canvas is, but how horribly slow DynAPI has grown. I did some extended testing, and put this online, so others can compare the results for themselves. I did the test without children, one building 1000 layers, one building 200 layers. I applied these to: * Canvas * DynAPI 25/jan/01 release * DynaCore 2001/01/13 release * DynAPI Lite 29/aug/2000 * DynAPI Lite Compact code 29/aug/2000 My results where: (in ms. on p3 550 winMe IE5.5 128ram) Canvas 1000 18.130 Canvas 200 1.320 DynAPI 1000 94.470 DynAPI 200 4390 DynaCore 1000 21.030 DynaCore 200 1.430 DynAPI Lite 1000 9.340 DynAPI Lite 200 1.200 DynAPI Comp.1000 11.590 DynAPI Comp. 200 1.100 The tests are online here: http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/tcanvas/ If anyone wants to add files or anything here's the FTP: username: dynapi password: dynapi I think it's clear there is something seriously slowing down the DynAPI, if DynaCore is so much faster with more or less the same functionality, something's wrong. Also I'm all for including the Lite files again, as their times are very good. Cheers, Richard Bennett ma...@ri... www.richardinfo.com (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2) Find the DynAPI faq here: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=656&group_id=5757 Browse the mailinglist here: http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=dynapi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas vs. DynLayer > You just don't get it. > It's not that I use different code and the version I tested with has a > children list. (uses my TList so didn't include it). > The reason it's faster is such. When browsers parse js code and create > objects they create actual objects in their application. That means that for > every dynlayer there is an object inside Netscape or IE with actual objects > in them. In your method of creation you: > Create new DynLayer() > Call add child to the parent > Parent does the following > static Create the virtual object > static Create the actual element > static Assign the element > This means that the browser has to > Get Parent object in browsers memory > Call addchild > Call static line and create js object > Call static line and create js element > Call staticassignment where you have to get obj1 and obj2 and assign > and more of this type of thing > It slows down the process by a whole lot > What my create does is: > Create new Canvas() > myCanvas.create does this: > Check who the parent is > if null create in the actual document > if Canvas create under it > No passing of object between methods, not assigning no static methods. > > 8an > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > |
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From: Richard B. <ma...@ri...> - 2001-02-18 16:39:14
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:o) I updated them yesterday. The old (not working files are still on the server though, so come in the front door: http://www.richardinfo.com/?menu=examples&node=7 Apart from that the ftp is better for cross browser testing, as my site doesn't support NS6 yet. The only problem is they're not keen on .zip files, and they change the file permissions on them. Why exactly have you given up on the modifier issue? I know NS/IE is possible, is it a Mac problem? Richard ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henrik Våglin" <hv...@ya...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 5:26 PM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > No disrespect Richard, but download from your site doesn't seems to work out ("403 file access error"). I've uploaded the files though, so live run of the ccreation extension pack can now be done at > > http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm > http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.layerpos.htm > > Now all; detailed testresults from running these on different platforms and browsers are apprieated. I've only run tests in IE5.5 NS4.76 and I'm on my way to get it to work in NS6 on a system with win98 and 128Mb RAM. if you do submit a bugreport, be sure to include the javascript and you're most welecome to also try and track down the javascript error if you're able. I'm not the most complete javascript programmer but at least I know the code somewhat, so do post ;) > > Henrik Våglin [ hv...@ya... ] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:19 AM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > I put up some ftp space here a while back, which is free for all, do what > > you want here: > > > > ftp.dynapi.f2s.com > > username: dynapi > > password: dynapi > > url: http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/ > > It also supports PHP/Perl-cgi and Database. > > > > Cheers, > > Richard Bennett > > > > ma...@ri... > > www.richardinfo.com > > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of DynAPI2) > > Find the DynAPI faq here: > > http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=656&group_id=5757 > > Browse the mailinglist here: > > http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=dynapi > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Henrik Våglin" <hv...@ya...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:54 PM > > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > What's your problem with ccreation keyevents extension, eh? ;) Which > > system, platform & browser (version) are you using and7or getting what > > error. > > > If you're refering to the one at richard's site I updated the distro today > > and posted an open link to download it from (on xdrive.com) on the help > > mailinglist in lack of other good webspace with FTP-access. NS6-compability > > is in working right now, but I have no ability to try under any other > > platform and/or browser than IE 5.5, NS4.x & just today installed NS6 under > > win 98. If you leave a full bug report maybe I'm able to get it fixed :) > > > > > > Henrik Våglin [ hv...@ya... ] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...> > > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:35 PM > > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > > > > Noticed that the sunewave doesn't work and also the > > > > ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm > > > > > > > > 8an > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > > Dyn...@li... > > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > > > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > ____________________________________________________________ > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > |
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From: Eytan H. <ey...@tr...> - 2001-02-18 16:32:48
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When trying to port to Canvas setHTML doesn't work in NN6 could pascal or someone check this out? 8an |
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From: Henrik V. <hv...@ya...> - 2001-02-18 16:23:11
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No disrespect Richard, but download from your site doesn't seems to work =
out ("403 file access error"). I've uploaded the files though, so live =
run of the ccreation extension pack can now be done at
http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm
http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/examples/ccreation.ext.layerpos.htm
Now all; detailed testresults from running these on different platforms =
and browsers are apprieated. I've only run tests in IE5.5 NS4.76 and I'm =
on my way to get it to work in NS6 on a system with win98 and 128Mb RAM. =
if you do submit a bugreport, be sure to include the javascript and =
you're most welecome to also try and track down the javascript error if =
you're able. I'm not the most complete javascript programmer but at =
least I know the code somewhat, so do post ;)
Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ]
----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site
> I put up some ftp space here a while back, which is free for all, do =
what
> you want here:
>=20
> ftp.dynapi.f2s.com
> username: dynapi
> password: dynapi
> url: http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/
> It also supports PHP/Perl-cgi and Database.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Richard Bennett
>=20
> ma...@ri...
> www.richardinfo.com
> (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of =
DynAPI2)
> Find the DynAPI faq here:
> =
http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D656&group_id=3D5757=
> Browse the mailinglist here:
> http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=3Ddynapi
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henrik V=E5glin" <hv...@ya...>
> To: <dyn...@li...>
> Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:54 PM
> Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site
>=20
>=20
> > What's your problem with ccreation keyevents extension, eh? ;) Which
> system, platform & browser (version) are you using and7or getting what
> error.
> > If you're refering to the one at richard's site I updated the distro =
today
> and posted an open link to download it from (on xdrive.com) on the =
help
> mailinglist in lack of other good webspace with FTP-access. =
NS6-compability
> is in working right now, but I have no ability to try under any other
> platform and/or browser than IE 5.5, NS4.x & just today installed NS6 =
under
> win 98. If you leave a full bug report maybe I'm able to get it fixed =
:)
> >
> > Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...>
> > To: <dyn...@li...>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:35 PM
> > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site
> >
> >
> > > Noticed that the sunewave doesn't work and also the
> > > ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm
> > >
> > > 8an
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list
> > > Dyn...@li...
> > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
> > >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dynapi-Dev mailing list
> > Dyn...@li...
> > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from
> > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available.
> > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com
> >
>=20
>=20
> _______________________________________________
> Dynapi-Dev mailing list
> Dyn...@li...
> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev
>=20
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
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From: Henrik V. <hv...@ya...> - 2001-02-18 15:48:12
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Oh, sorry for the ignorance Richard, I must've forgotten about it (the = load of mail to keep traack of. I'll see if I can upload it there now :) Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ] ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Richard Bennett" <ma...@ri...> To: <dyn...@li...> Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2001 1:19 AM Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > I put up some ftp space here a while back, which is free for all, do = what > you want here: >=20 > ftp.dynapi.f2s.com > username: dynapi > password: dynapi > url: http://www.dynapi.f2s.com/dynapi/ > It also supports PHP/Perl-cgi and Database. >=20 > Cheers, > Richard Bennett >=20 > ma...@ri... > www.richardinfo.com > (Everything running on, and ported to the 19/12/2000 snapshot of = DynAPI2) > Find the DynAPI faq here: > = http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=3D656&group_id=3D5757= > Browse the mailinglist here: > http://www.mail-archive.com/index.php3?hunt=3Ddynapi >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Henrik V=E5glin" <hv...@ya...> > To: <dyn...@li...> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 11:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site >=20 >=20 > > What's your problem with ccreation keyevents extension, eh? ;) Which > system, platform & browser (version) are you using and7or getting what > error. > > If you're refering to the one at richard's site I updated the distro = today > and posted an open link to download it from (on xdrive.com) on the = help > mailinglist in lack of other good webspace with FTP-access. = NS6-compability > is in working right now, but I have no ability to try under any other > platform and/or browser than IE 5.5, NS4.x & just today installed NS6 = under > win 98. If you leave a full bug report maybe I'm able to get it fixed = :) > > > > Henrik V=E5glin [ hv...@ya... ] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Eytan Heidingsfeld" <ey...@tr...> > > To: <dyn...@li...> > > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2001 10:35 PM > > Subject: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Demo Site > > > > > > > Noticed that the sunewave doesn't work and also the > > > ccreation.ext.keyevents.htm > > > > > > 8an > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > > Dyn...@li... > > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > > Dyn...@li... > > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Get your free domain name and domain-based e-mail from > > Namezero.com. New! Namezero Plus domains now available. > > Find out more at: http://www.namezero.com > > >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev >=20 _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com |
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From: Bart B. <ba...@ho...> - 2001-02-18 15:47:11
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And IE5+ -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Michael Pemberton <mp...@ph...> Till: dyn...@li... = <dyn...@li...> Datum: den 18 februari 2001 14:48 =C4mne: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Catch and throw >1.5 (ns6 / mozilla) > >Eytan Heidingsfeld wrote: > >> Does anyone know since which version of JS these two methods are = supported? >> 8an >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dynapi-Dev mailing list >> Dyn...@li... >> http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > >-- >Michael Pemberton >mp...@ph... >ICQ: 12107010 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Dynapi-Dev mailing list >Dyn...@li... >http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev > |
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From: Eytan H. <ey...@tr...> - 2001-02-18 13:52:27
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Thanx Another question: While trying to bring TCanvas up to speed in NN6 I'm having a problem with setHTML it seems to be doing nothing why? 8an |
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From: Michael P. <mp...@ph...> - 2001-02-18 13:48:27
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1.5 (ns6 / mozilla) Eytan Heidingsfeld wrote: > Does anyone know since which version of JS these two methods are supported? > 8an > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev -- Michael Pemberton mp...@ph... ICQ: 12107010 |
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From: Eytan H. <ey...@tr...> - 2001-02-18 13:35:57
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Does anyone know since which version of JS these two methods are supported? 8an |
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From: Michael P. <mp...@ph...> - 2001-02-18 13:11:34
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this is to deal with arrays where the elements are known be name. eg document.all['id'] there is no need to continue if this is the type of element. Eytan Heidingsfeld wrote: > What is that delete command? > delete array[which.id]? > 8an > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev -- Michael Pemberton mp...@ph... ICQ: 12107010 |
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From: Michael P. <mp...@ph...> - 2001-02-18 13:08:11
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The loadpanel is not the only method of downloading content from a server. I'm in the process of finishing off a method of downloading content without the need to create a lot of new objects and it will be more powerful than the loadpanel. At the moment, it is still a WIP but is close to completion. It can be seen in action here. You'll see that it executed JS and also extracts the various parts of the downloaded page. The main "bug" at the moment is that the MAC versions of java do not include the required classes for downloading the content. there is no easy way of fixing this unless you write the code to work with the java plugin and force all your clients to download the java plugin. Raymond Smith wrote: > While I agree that the WebOS solution is overkill for the DynAPI. The > Loadpanel approach is not the most solid bridge to deliver dynamic (dynamic > being defined as 'dynamic server/client interaction') content. I think we > need to explore alternatives/improvements to the glue between the DynAPI and > the wealth of server-side power that exists out there. > > JS is client. It performs best in that world. The server-side unlocks a > whole new world of "dynamics" that currently tend to funnel into very "dead" > client interfaces. That's what peaked my interest in the DynAPI in the > first place. I loath the limited realm that FLASH delivers along with its > pathetic CPU chewing rendering engine. I like the fact that the DynAPI > leaves options 100% open for me to pick and choose front-to-back delivery > platforms. > > Currently loadpanel is probably the weakest link supporting the DynAPI > platform. But it is the "only" link we currently have to bridge between two > very different worlds. Fix and optimize it...., > > then you will see magic... > > The "art" of client side interface will meet the "fandango dance" of the > server-side apps and really enhance the overall forumla for developing and > delivering the web experiences of tomorrow. > > Ray > > _______________________________________________ > Dynapi-Dev mailing list > Dyn...@li... > http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/dynapi-dev -- Michael Pemberton mp...@ph... ICQ: 12107010 |
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From: Eytan H. <ey...@tr...> - 2001-02-18 13:06:43
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What is that delete command? delete array[which.id]? 8an |
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From: Michael P. <mp...@ph...> - 2001-02-18 12:58:26
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I've found the following is a better removeFromArray. it doesn't require all
the parsing
removeFromArray : function(array, index, id) {
var which=(typeof(index)=="object")?index:array[index];
if (id) delete array[which.id];
else for (var i=0; i<array.length; i++) if (array[i] == which) {
array.splice(i,1);
break;
};
},
it uses the internal JS method of removing array elements.
I'm sorry I didn't think to post this earlier.
Pascal Bestebroer wrote:
> I still think this is not a fair test..
>
> simple example: DynAPI is maintaining a children array...see what it does
> there.
>
> I find it very hard to believe that your tcanvas is faster then dynlayer,
> because your using dynlayer's creation code.
> Your just leaving out alot of code we've been putting in for the last couple
> of months to make dynlayer easier and give if more functionality.
>
> I'll be doing some optimising test for dynlayer today (I think the
> removeFromArray() part is a problem with the speed, and see if I can make
> it faster.. but again your tcanvas has alot less functionality then the
> dynlayer..
>
> we could make a dynlayer-lite and it would probably match your speed (or be
> faster, because there's still room for optimisation in your creation code by
> not calling the sethtml function, but just incorporating that code into the
> create)
>
> I'll let you know
>
> Pascal Bestebroer
> pa...@dy...
> http://www.dynamic-core.net
>
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: dyn...@li...
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...]Namens Eytan Heidingsfeld
> > Verzonden: zaterdag 17 februari 2001 21:26
> > Aan: dyn...@li...
> > Onderwerp: RE: [Dynapi-Dev] TCanvas vs. DynLayer
> >
> >
> > Included in the zip yet again
> > tcanvas.js
> > and
> > browser.js
> >
> > and the test for DynLayer and TCanvas with nesting and without
> > called:
> > stress.dynlayer.create nested wtime.htm
> > stress.dynlayer.create wtime.htm
> > stress.canvas.create nested wtime.htm
> > stress.canvas.create wtime.htm
> >
> > 8an
>
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