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[Dynapi-Dev] Updates in CVS:

[Daniel T. <de...@ti...>]

+ Renamed window to PanelBar
- PanelBar: removed function setdragable
+ PanelBar: Renamed minimizewindow to minimize
+ PanelBar: Renamed maximizewindow to maximize
+ Stacker: Added missed Semicolons
+ Updated quickref and examples for PanelBar and Stacker

Regards
Daniel

[Dynapi-Dev] New fixes and updates

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hi Everyone,

[+] Add disableContextMenu() to MouseEvent class - see
quickref.mouseevent.html
[-] Fix dragevent bug with boundary when child layer
is larger than it's parent

Opera is now set to use mouse_ie.js instead of
mouse_dom.js since opera. This works in my mouse
testings. Please test also and give a confirmation.

New updates are now inside CVS

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[Dynapi-Dev] new widget: NodeItem, changed item: List

[<bo...@co...>]

Hi!

I separate the List and their items. the old ListItem is renamed and separated 
to dynapi.gui.NodeItem.
I started to work Grid and Tree api, and use NodeItem to items.

Cow

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

It seems the only occurance of _objects is in dynapi.js, and excluding
initial variable declaration, it's only modified in p.add and p._queue where
p is DynObject.prototype, and only in like two or three places in total, so
it shouldn't be too difficult to modify.  But what else refers to the
_objects array?  What might happen if I change the the code to insert the
full library name as opposed to the tail only?

I'm going to try some changes on my own and see what happens.

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dan Steinman" <ds...@dy...>
To: <dyn...@li...>
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library


> It's been a while but as I remember the library I wrote keeps a global
list of objects:
>
> dynapi.library._objects['Button']
>
> That contains the other information like the path of the file required
etc.  When you have conflicting names one will be overwritten.  It's a bit
of a design flaw, it should be stored with the full library name
_objects['dynapi.gui.Button'] instead.  I imagine that somewhere along the
line your script needed the 'Button' object and it thought you meant
dynapi.gui.Button.  You could probably wipe out the .gui from the library
dependencies, but that is only a workaround.
>
> Dan Steinman
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:01:33PM +0200, Michael Bystrom wrote:
> > Hi folks here we go lets start with the library!
> >
> > This will be the new structure for the IOS port:
> >
> > dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library.path);
> > dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','bystrom/gui/button.js');
> > etc...
> >
> >
> > Now before I go into debug hell I would like some answers to some
library
> > questions.
> >
> >
> > We have a simple load set up like this:
> >
> >   dynapi.library.setPath('../src/');
> >   dynapi.library.include('dynapi.spock');
> >   dynapi.library.include('dynapi.api');
> >   dynapi.library.include('library');
> >   dynapi.library.include('bystrom');
> >
> >
> > Note the "bystrom" include this will load all that I have in that
package
> > (right?)
> >
> >
> > Now if I do this the API will load the DynAPI gui components and mine.
> > loaded [dynapi.gui.BorderManager]
> > loaded [dynapi.gui.StyleManager]
> > loaded [dynapi.gui.Highlighter]
> > loaded [dynapi.gui.Button]
> > loaded [dynapi.gui.ButtonStyle]
> >
> > Why does it do this?
> >
> > I will not rename my widgets from Button to IOSButton or something
similar.
> > What is the secret I've missed. There has to be a way.
> >
> > Is not bystrom it's own unique object?
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library

[Dan S. <ds...@dy...>]

It's been a while but as I remember the library I wrote keeps a global list of objects:

dynapi.library._objects['Button']

That contains the other information like the path of the file required etc.  When you have conflicting names one will be overwritten.  It's a bit of a design flaw, it should be stored with the full library name _objects['dynapi.gui.Button'] instead.  I imagine that somewhere along the line your script needed the 'Button' object and it thought you meant dynapi.gui.Button.  You could probably wipe out the .gui from the library dependencies, but that is only a workaround.

Dan Steinman


On Wed, Oct 01, 2003 at 05:01:33PM +0200, Michael Bystrom wrote:
> Hi folks here we go lets start with the library!
> 
> This will be the new structure for the IOS port:
> 
> dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library.path);
> dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','bystrom/gui/button.js');
> etc...
> 
> 
> Now before I go into debug hell I would like some answers to some library
> questions.
> 
> 
> We have a simple load set up like this:
> 
>   dynapi.library.setPath('../src/');
>   dynapi.library.include('dynapi.spock');
>   dynapi.library.include('dynapi.api');
>   dynapi.library.include('library');
>   dynapi.library.include('bystrom');
> 
> 
> Note the "bystrom" include this will load all that I have in that package
> (right?)
> 
> 
> Now if I do this the API will load the DynAPI gui components and mine.
> loaded [dynapi.gui.BorderManager]
> loaded [dynapi.gui.StyleManager]
> loaded [dynapi.gui.Highlighter]
> loaded [dynapi.gui.Button]
> loaded [dynapi.gui.ButtonStyle]
> 
> Why does it do this?
> 
> I will not rename my widgets from Button to IOSButton or something similar.
> What is the secret I've missed. There has to be a way.
> 
> Is not bystrom it's own unique object?
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Whats up?!

[Leif W <war...@us...>]

MessageI'm playing catch-up on my emails still.  :-)  I've regained control
of my Inbox by reading 7 days worth of mails in one day, for the two other
lists I am on.  So now I'll be able to concentrate on replying to the DynAPI
developments over the past month, before the discussion becomes any more
stale!

1) I'll continue working (slowly) on the IOElement script conversions, in
between other tasks.  I really need to just get this done already!

2) I was thinking over an email from last month which briefly described
Java's layout managers, and wondering if something like that might be useful
in the DynAPI, and if so, how to go about implementing, and if I'd do it
from scratch or just blob existing widgets together.  But I'd first have to
understand better what the Java layout managers do.

3) And as always, I'll start going through all the examples pages and do a
thorough QA style report (and attempt to fix what I can) in the 5 browsers I
have available (Netscape 4.79, Mozilla 1.5 rc2, Mozilla Firebird 0.6.1,
Internet Explorer 6 and Opera 7.11).

Leif

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Daniel Tiru
To: dyn...@li...
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Whats up?!


Hi folks!

In the middle of everything, I thought even if there is no "project" right
now... we still continue to develop things for dynapi, fixing bugs and even
making new additions to DynAPI.

So what i thought of was that everyone involved int he project and that is
making something for the project. I thought it would be nice to know what
everyone is doing so we dont make doubble work and then we could comment in
the phase and give help to eatcher before we need it?

So i start:

I am currently working with the last things for the stacker and fixing some
small issues reported by the people on the list. I will aswell continue to
work on the window and fix some stuff there aswell, and to give a small
update, the window will be renamed to panelbar (remove the dragable option)
and soon i will start to make a real window, i had one before but it became
to slow.
So far i have these to do and I have so far decided to run in the same way
as the panelbar but with improvements:

+ dragable
+ resizable (3 ways bottom,right and corner)
+ closable

I have more things aswell as focus issues but this is a start.

So please fill on the list, and i will get back with the result :)

Best regards and good luck
Daniel Tiru

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Whats up?!

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Ok here's what I had in mind

The once with the "+" I've done so far. Feel free to
pick and create a few of the widgets and let's create
a cool widget pack.

+ Button 
+ CheckBox
+ RadioButton
+ ScrollBar	
+ ImageClip
+ Explorer
+ Marquee
+ ViewPane
+ ListBox
+ ProgessBar
DropDownContainer
ComboBox 
GroupBox
WebForm - must add a way for multiple forms to operate
as one form when the submit button it clicked
MenuBar
SpinButton
Calendar 
DatePicker
TextBox
TreeView
Gridview
BarChart
Counter
Dialog
ScrollPane
Icon 
TitleBar - when added to a layer should make it
drag-able by the title. Resides at the top of the
layer
StatusBar - Resides at the bottom of the layer
SplitPane
RichTextEditor
TabStrip
Slider
ToolBar - dockable toolbar
TreeListView - combination of treeview and listvieww 
ToolTips - includes ballonwindow 
ColorPicker
PushPane
ContextMenu - Displays context menu whenever the user
right clicks on the object. 
Spliter - should support vertical, horizontal and
cross splits

**This one was started by Daniel so no need to
duplicate **
PanelBar - similar to the panel bars used in windows
xp 


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--- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
>           Hi folks!
> 
> In the middle of everything, I thought even if there
> is no "project"
> right now... we still continue to develop things for
> dynapi, fixing bugs
> and even making new additions to DynAPI.
>  
> So what i thought of was that everyone involved int
> he project and that
> is making something for the project. I thought it
> would be nice to know
> what everyone is doing so we dont make doubble work
> and then we could
> comment in the phase and give help to eatcher before
> we need it?
>  
> So i start:
>  
> I am currently working with the last things for the
> stacker and fixing
> some small issues reported by the people on the
> list. I will aswell
> continue to work on the window and fix some stuff
> there aswell, and to
> give a small update, the window will be renamed to
> panelbar (remove the
> dragable option) and soon i will start to make a
> real window, i had one
> before but it became to slow.
> So far i have these to do and I have so far decided
> to run in the same
> way as the panelbar but with improvements:
>  
> + dragable
> + resizable (3 ways bottom,right and corner)
> + closable
>  
> I have more things aswell as focus issues but this
> is a start.
>  
> So please fill on the list, and i will get back with
> the result :)
>  
> Best regards and good luck
> Daniel Tiru
>  
> 
> 


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[Dynapi-Dev] Whats up?!

[Daniel T. <de...@ti...>]

          Hi folks!

In the middle of everything, I thought even if there is no "project"
right now... we still continue to develop things for dynapi, fixing bugs
and even making new additions to DynAPI.
 
So what i thought of was that everyone involved int he project and that
is making something for the project. I thought it would be nice to know
what everyone is doing so we dont make doubble work and then we could
comment in the phase and give help to eatcher before we need it?
 
So i start:
 
I am currently working with the last things for the stacker and fixing
some small issues reported by the people on the list. I will aswell
continue to work on the window and fix some stuff there aswell, and to
give a small update, the window will be renamed to panelbar (remove the
dragable option) and soon i will start to make a real window, i had one
before but it became to slow.
So far i have these to do and I have so far decided to run in the same
way as the panelbar but with improvements:
 
+ dragable
+ resizable (3 ways bottom,right and corner)
+ closable
 
I have more things aswell as focus issues but this is a start.
 
So please fill on the list, and i will get back with the result :)
 
Best regards and good luck
Daniel Tiru
 

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[<bo...@co...>]

> Do you think this will solve the problem?
Yes it's solve the problem :))
Cow

[Dynapi-Dev] Whats up?!

[Daniel T. <dan...@ne...>]

Hi folks!
 
In the middle of everything, I thought even if there is no "project"
right now... we still continue to develop things for dynapi, fixing bugs
and even making new additions to DynAPI.
 
So what i thought of was that everyone involved int he project and that
is making something for the project. I thought it would be nice to know
what everyone is doing so we dont make doubble work and then we could
comment in the phase and give help to eatcher before we need it?
 
So i start:
 
I am currently working with the last things for the stacker and fixing
some small issues reported by the people on the list. I will aswell
continue to work on the window and fix some stuff there aswell, and to
give a small update, the window will be renamed to panelbar (remove the
dragable option) and soon i will start to make a real window, i had one
before but it became to slow.
So far i have these to do and I have so far decided to run in the same
way as the panelbar but with improvements:
 
+ dragable
+ resizable (3 ways bottom,right and corner)
+ closable
 
I have more things aswell as focus issues but this is a start.
 
So please fill on the list, and i will get back with the result :)
 
Best regards and good luck
Daniel Tiru
 

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

In response to dragging layers that are children of
other layers the DragEvent class will add two new
functions to the DynLayer class:

setDragEnabled(b,useIcon)
setDragIcon(html,w,h,color,image)

The drag icon is simply another dynlayer that the
system will add to the document. This layer can act as
an outline or icon for the layer that's being dragged

It will even allow you to create you own drag icons
for use with the system. This will allow us to drag
any layer anywhere on the document

example:

var l = new DynLayer('Hello');
l.setDragEnabled(true,true);// enable dragging and use
drag icon
l.setDragIcon('Hello') 
// ^ this will use a layer that DragEvent
// will add to the document

or we could create our own drag icon

var dragicon = new DynLayer(null,0,0,16,16,'silver');
dynapi.document.addChild(dragicon);

l.setDragIcon(dragicon);

Now whenever the user drags layer "l" the drag icon
will appear and be dragged instead of the orginal
layer. All drag events will be triggered on the
original layer.

Do you think this will solve the problem?

--
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--- Háber János <bo...@co...> wrote:
> 2003. október 2. 18.39 dátummal Háber János ezt
> írta:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I want to make a draggable Item for List,Tree,Grid
> element...
> I have 2 conception how to make it.
> 1. I create a virtual List (a DynElement) element.
> 	- Can drag all items on the desktop
> 	- Can't use effects, slide, fade, etc... (I think)
> 2. Create a Normal list element and I "cut" the item
> anyway , if, the drag is 
> successfuly, I cut finaly, because the drag is not
> successfuly , put back the 
> element into the List/Tree/etc...
> 	-Can use effect on the full table
> 	-I don't know how to "cut" the element. I can
> remove the element, and put 
> into the dynapi.document, because I can't set the
> position correctily?
> 
> Cow
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Cool. I think I'll try to implement something that's
very simple as well.

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--- Michael Bystrom <mi...@mi...>
wrote:
> I have a theme system that I like allot in the IOS
> library, it uses a
> 
> dynapi.theme = {}
> 
> object as the main theme holder, then for each new
> theme that is loaded it
> get it's own namespace
> 
> dynapi.theme.button = {}
> 
> The first time the button is called it creates the
> theme and then for each
> new call it just returns the theme and builds the
> button. I tried allot of
> different versions of this but found that this was
> the best way, the main
> theme is hard coded inside the button script,
> Button.getTheme() as Raymond
> said "how many times will a web app allow the user
> to change the theme on
> the fly?" 
> 
> I you want another theme
> 
> var theme = dynapi.theme.widget = {}
> theme.color="red"
> etc..
> 
> new Button("hello",10,10,100,20, theme )
> 
> I've found it fairly simple to keep track of
> inheritance to other widget
> themes even when you include many other themes
> inside a new theme
> 
> 
> 
> As for a style manager I'm working on a CSS like
> system. If a person starts
> to use DynAPI I'm sure that he/she has done some CSS
> scripting and
> understand that. 
> 
> Consider this:
> 
> CSS:
> #layer {
>     font: 11px Tahoma,Verdana,Arial;
>     color: white;
>     font-weight: bold;
>     text-align: left;
>     padding: 2px;
>     border: 1px solid rgb(100,100,100);
> }
> 
> DynAPI:
> layer.setStyle({
>     font: "11px Tahoma,Verdana,Arial",
>     color: "white",
>     fontweight: "bold",
>     textalign: "left",
>     padding: "2px",
>     border: "1px solid rgb(100,100,100)"
> })
> 
> then the setStyle() parse the input and Voila
> 
> IOS library will have SOMETHING like this, I've just
> made some simple tests
> with the new api.
> 
> setStyle() would need to be rendered with the layers
> though, not when onload
> 
> 
> Man I'm still sick after Bulgaria man that food was
> .... my stomach is not
> happy :P
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Den 03-10-03 06.25, skrev "Raymond Irving"
> <xw...@ya...>:
> 
> > 
> > The StyleManager component are more complex than
> > traditional widgets. It will take alonger time to
> > create a StyleManager component than it would an
> > ordinary widget.
> > 
> > The beauty about the StyleManager is that it give
> the
> > user the flexibility to change the behavoir of the
> > component without having to change the base
> component
> > itself.
> > 
> > In the intrest of time and for the benefit of the
> > project I would have to then suggest that
> StyleManager
> > components be added at a later date. These will
> > require a lot of testing as they things can get
> sticky
> > when it comes on to inheritance.
> > 
> > I also wanted to create widgets that are themeable
> but
> > how often will a web app require the user to
> change
> > the it's theme? Not very often I guess. And even
> if we
> > where to stick a redraw() into the widgets how
> many
> > times will a web app allow the user to change the
> > theme on the fly?
> > 
> > It's all good and well to have such nice features
> as
> > on the fly skinning and theme changing but these
> often
> > time carries some overhead and inheritance
> problems.
> > 
> > I'll remove the StyleManager and it's components
> and
> > replace them with traditional design. The Button
> > compoenent will be broken up into three widgets -
> > Button, FlatButton and ImageButton, etc.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> > 
> > 
> > --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >> 
> >> I agree with Daniel. I just don't understand it.
> A
> >> very nice
> >> project but who is going to use the StyleManager
> >> implementation  
> >> without full documentation of how the internals
> >> work. I printed
> >> off nearly 10 files from one top level example
> and
> >> then gave up.
> >> 
> >> These completed StyleManger components can be
> >> reproduced by
> >> a user using default style on their own site. So
> >> they are a very good
> >> addition to the gui but it would take an expert
> in
> >> dynapi and javascript
> >> to design widgets in this way. I'll wait for the
> >> docs then decide if it's
> >> easier than the traditional method.
> >> 
> >> -
> >> Kevin
> >> 
> >> 
> >> "Daniel Tiru" <de...@ti...> wrote:
> >> 
> >>> Hi Raymond!
> >>> 
> >>> I still actually dont get the style manager
> >> completly...
> >>> 
> >>> I have found styles in the gui catalog, but
> >> forgive me if i am a bit
> >>> slow. But i dont really get it :(
> >>> 
> >>> Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a
> >> style like
> >>> viewpane.style (or am i already out of the
> area)?
> >>> How do i change the style for that one without
> >> modifying the source of
> >>> the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of
> >> it, edit it and add it
> >>> to packages.js?
> >>> 
> >>> Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI
> >> will always be updated,
> >>> meaning you always have to get a new packages
> >> file, witch will overwrite
> >>> your personal entry. I think i have seen or
> >> atleast think i have seen,
> >>> that you dont need to add stuff to packages but
> >> can do that in your code
> >>> on your page? Is it this way we should do it?
> >>> 
> >>> Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to
> >> keep track on.
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Michael B. <mi...@mi...>]

I have a theme system that I like allot in the IOS library, it uses a

dynapi.theme = {}

object as the main theme holder, then for each new theme that is loaded it
get it's own namespace

dynapi.theme.button = {}

The first time the button is called it creates the theme and then for each
new call it just returns the theme and builds the button. I tried allot of
different versions of this but found that this was the best way, the main
theme is hard coded inside the button script, Button.getTheme() as Raymond
said "how many times will a web app allow the user to change the theme on
the fly?" 

I you want another theme

var theme = dynapi.theme.widget = {}
theme.color="red"
etc..

new Button("hello",10,10,100,20, theme )

I've found it fairly simple to keep track of inheritance to other widget
themes even when you include many other themes inside a new theme



As for a style manager I'm working on a CSS like system. If a person starts
to use DynAPI I'm sure that he/she has done some CSS scripting and
understand that. 

Consider this:

CSS:
#layer {
    font: 11px Tahoma,Verdana,Arial;
    color: white;
    font-weight: bold;
    text-align: left;
    padding: 2px;
    border: 1px solid rgb(100,100,100);
}

DynAPI:
layer.setStyle({
    font: "11px Tahoma,Verdana,Arial",
    color: "white",
    fontweight: "bold",
    textalign: "left",
    padding: "2px",
    border: "1px solid rgb(100,100,100)"
})

then the setStyle() parse the input and Voila

IOS library will have SOMETHING like this, I've just made some simple tests
with the new api.

setStyle() would need to be rendered with the layers though, not when onload


Man I'm still sick after Bulgaria man that food was .... my stomach is not
happy :P

Michael




Den 03-10-03 06.25, skrev "Raymond Irving" <xw...@ya...>:

> 
> The StyleManager component are more complex than
> traditional widgets. It will take alonger time to
> create a StyleManager component than it would an
> ordinary widget.
> 
> The beauty about the StyleManager is that it give the
> user the flexibility to change the behavoir of the
> component without having to change the base component
> itself.
> 
> In the intrest of time and for the benefit of the
> project I would have to then suggest that StyleManager
> components be added at a later date. These will
> require a lot of testing as they things can get sticky
> when it comes on to inheritance.
> 
> I also wanted to create widgets that are themeable but
> how often will a web app require the user to change
> the it's theme? Not very often I guess. And even if we
> where to stick a redraw() into the widgets how many
> times will a web app allow the user to change the
> theme on the fly?
> 
> It's all good and well to have such nice features as
> on the fly skinning and theme changing but these often
> time carries some overhead and inheritance problems.
> 
> I'll remove the StyleManager and it's components and
> replace them with traditional design. The Button
> compoenent will be broken up into three widgets -
> Button, FlatButton and ImageButton, etc.
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
> 
> --- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> I agree with Daniel. I just don't understand it. A
>> very nice
>> project but who is going to use the StyleManager
>> implementation  
>> without full documentation of how the internals
>> work. I printed
>> off nearly 10 files from one top level example and
>> then gave up.
>> 
>> These completed StyleManger components can be
>> reproduced by
>> a user using default style on their own site. So
>> they are a very good
>> addition to the gui but it would take an expert in
>> dynapi and javascript
>> to design widgets in this way. I'll wait for the
>> docs then decide if it's
>> easier than the traditional method.
>> 
>> -
>> Kevin
>> 
>> 
>> "Daniel Tiru" <de...@ti...> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Raymond!
>>> 
>>> I still actually dont get the style manager
>> completly...
>>> 
>>> I have found styles in the gui catalog, but
>> forgive me if i am a bit
>>> slow. But i dont really get it :(
>>> 
>>> Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a
>> style like
>>> viewpane.style (or am i already out of the area)?
>>> How do i change the style for that one without
>> modifying the source of
>>> the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of
>> it, edit it and add it
>>> to packages.js?
>>> 
>>> Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI
>> will always be updated,
>>> meaning you always have to get a new packages
>> file, witch will overwrite
>>> your personal entry. I think i have seen or
>> atleast think i have seen,
>>> that you dont need to add stuff to packages but
>> can do that in your code
>>> on your page? Is it this way we should do it?
>>> 
>>> Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to
>> keep track on.
>>> 
>>> I would vote for the stylemanager, if i could
>> understand it. Could you
>>> make any basic example using a external style who
>> is outside of the
>>> dynapi structure, how to change the style and so
>> on? Make it a very
>>> simple example so atleast i get it :) Maybee I'm
>> not alone and thats why
>>> noone else responds :)
>>> 
>>> Best regards
>>> Daniel
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dyn...@li...
>>> [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
>> Behalf Of Raymond
>>> Irving
>>> Sent: den 2 oktober 2003 06:18
>>> To: DynAPI-Dev
>>> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello Everyone,
>>> 
>>> As it relates to the future of Widget creation, do
>> you
>>> think we should go Stylable Widgets (like the ones
>>> that use the StyleManager) or should we stick to
>>> traditional Widget design?
>>> 
>>> Please give your answer and reason why
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Raymond Irving

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

The StyleManager component are more complex than
traditional widgets. It will take alonger time to
create a StyleManager component than it would an
ordinary widget.

The beauty about the StyleManager is that it give the
user the flexibility to change the behavoir of the
component without having to change the base component
itself.

In the intrest of time and for the benefit of the
project I would have to then suggest that StyleManager
components be added at a later date. These will
require a lot of testing as they things can get sticky
when it comes on to inheritance.

I also wanted to create widgets that are themeable but
how often will a web app require the user to change
the it's theme? Not very often I guess. And even if we
where to stick a redraw() into the widgets how many
times will a web app allow the user to change the
theme on the fly?

It's all good and well to have such nice features as
on the fly skinning and theme changing but these often
time carries some overhead and inheritance problems.

I'll remove the StyleManager and it's components and
replace them with traditional design. The Button
compoenent will be broken up into three widgets -
Button, FlatButton and ImageButton, etc.



--
Raymond Irving
 

--- Kevin <ke...@ke...> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I agree with Daniel. I just don't understand it. A
> very nice
> project but who is going to use the StyleManager
> implementation  
> without full documentation of how the internals
> work. I printed
> off nearly 10 files from one top level example and
> then gave up.
> 
> These completed StyleManger components can be
> reproduced by
> a user using default style on their own site. So
> they are a very good
> addition to the gui but it would take an expert in
> dynapi and javascript
> to design widgets in this way. I'll wait for the
> docs then decide if it's
> easier than the traditional method.
> 
> -
> Kevin
> 
> 
> "Daniel Tiru" <de...@ti...> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Raymond!
> > 
> > I still actually dont get the style manager
> completly...
> > 
> > I have found styles in the gui catalog, but
> forgive me if i am a bit
> > slow. But i dont really get it :(
> > 
> > Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a
> style like
> > viewpane.style (or am i already out of the area)? 
> > How do i change the style for that one without
> modifying the source of
> > the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of
> it, edit it and add it
> > to packages.js?
> > 
> > Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI
> will always be updated,
> > meaning you always have to get a new packages
> file, witch will overwrite
> > your personal entry. I think i have seen or
> atleast think i have seen,
> > that you dont need to add stuff to packages but
> can do that in your code
> > on your page? Is it this way we should do it?
> > 
> > Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to
> keep track on.
> > 
> > I would vote for the stylemanager, if i could
> understand it. Could you
> > make any basic example using a external style who
> is outside of the
> > dynapi structure, how to change the style and so
> on? Make it a very
> > simple example so atleast i get it :) Maybee I'm
> not alone and thats why
> > noone else responds :)
> > 
> > Best regards
> > Daniel
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dyn...@li...
> > [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> Behalf Of Raymond
> > Irving
> > Sent: den 2 oktober 2003 06:18
> > To: DynAPI-Dev
> > Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....
> > 
> > 
> > Hello Everyone,
> > 
> > As it relates to the future of Widget creation, do
> you
> > think we should go Stylable Widgets (like the ones
> > that use the StyleManager) or should we stick to
> > traditional Widget design?
> > 
> > Please give your answer and reason why
> > 
> > 
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> > 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library

[Michael B. <mi...@mi...>]

Arghhh 

I can't believe it, I totally missed that one...
Hats of to you Ray :) It's been raining here in Sweden... yep that's it....

hehe



> Hi,
> 
> Notice that you're using dynapi.library.path before
> you call the dynapi.library.setPath() function.
> 
> This should be the correct way:
> 
> dynapi.library.setPath('../src/');
> 
> // add your packages after
> // you've set the library path
> dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library,path);
> dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','bystrom/gui/button.js');
> 
> The above should now work but personally I would write
> it like this:
> 
> dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library,path+'bystrom/');
> dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','gui/button.js','DynLayer');
> // where the Button is Dependent on the DynLayer
> object
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
> 
> --- Michael Bystrom <mi...@mi...>
> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Ok it's sorta working then hehe :) I started to look
>> into this but there are
>> soooo much new code, need to get that feeling you
>> know...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Problem 2)
>> 
>> There would be to much typing for this so I took 2
>> screen shoots to show
>> In sort; the packages are not loaded if added inside
>> main html document.
>> I'm under the impression that this should work?
>> 
>> Here is a working test
>> 
> http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/ok-lib.gif
>> 
>> Not working
>> 
> http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/no-lib.gif
>> 
>> am I doing something wrong?
>> 
>> For developers that only what to add their own litte
>> widget this should be
>> the way don't you think
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
>> 
>>> I see the problem. The library system is not
>>> respecting the object's namespace.
>>> 
>>> The attached file is a quick fix. But library.js
>> will
>>> still register dynapi.gui.Button as being loaded
>> even
>>> though it's not loaded.
>>> Remember that if you use
>>> dynapi.library.include('Button') it will load the
>> last
>>> Button object that was added to the library. If
>> you
>>> need to load specific libraries then you will have
>> to
>>> use their full names:
>>> dynapi.library.include('bystrom.Button')
>>> or
>>> dynapi.library.include(dynapi.gui.Button')
>>> 
>>> PS. This temp fix has not been tested with
>>> dependencies. Dan will have to look more into this
>>> problem.
>>> --
>>> Raymond Irving

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Kevin <ke...@ke...>]

Hi,

I agree with Daniel. I just don't understand it. A very nice
project but who is going to use the StyleManager implementation  
without full documentation of how the internals work. I printed
off nearly 10 files from one top level example and then gave up.

These completed StyleManger components can be reproduced by
a user using default style on their own site. So they are a very good
addition to the gui but it would take an expert in dynapi and javascript
to design widgets in this way. I'll wait for the docs then decide if it's
easier than the traditional method.

-
Kevin


"Daniel Tiru" <de...@ti...> wrote:

> Hi Raymond!
> 
> I still actually dont get the style manager completly...
> 
> I have found styles in the gui catalog, but forgive me if i am a bit
> slow. But i dont really get it :(
> 
> Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a style like
> viewpane.style (or am i already out of the area)? 
> How do i change the style for that one without modifying the source of
> the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of it, edit it and add it
> to packages.js?
> 
> Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI will always be updated,
> meaning you always have to get a new packages file, witch will overwrite
> your personal entry. I think i have seen or atleast think i have seen,
> that you dont need to add stuff to packages but can do that in your code
> on your page? Is it this way we should do it?
> 
> Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to keep track on.
> 
> I would vote for the stylemanager, if i could understand it. Could you
> make any basic example using a external style who is outside of the
> dynapi structure, how to change the style and so on? Make it a very
> simple example so atleast i get it :) Maybee I'm not alone and thats why
> noone else responds :)
> 
> Best regards
> Daniel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Raymond
> Irving
> Sent: den 2 oktober 2003 06:18
> To: DynAPI-Dev
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As it relates to the future of Widget creation, do you
> think we should go Stylable Widgets (like the ones
> that use the StyleManager) or should we stick to
> traditional Widget design?
> 
> Please give your answer and reason why
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
> __________________________________
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> The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
> http://shopping.yahoo.com
> 
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[<bo...@co...>]

2003. okt=F3ber 2. 18.39 d=E1tummal H=E1ber J=E1nos ezt =EDrta:
> Hi!
>
> I want to make a draggable Item for List,Tree,Grid element...
I have 2 conception how to make it.
1. I create a virtual List (a DynElement) element.
	- Can drag all items on the desktop
	- Can't use effects, slide, fade, etc... (I think)
2. Create a Normal list element and I "cut" the item anyway , if, the drag =
is=20
successfuly, I cut finaly, because the drag is not successfuly , put back t=
he=20
element into the List/Tree/etc...
	-Can use effect on the full table
	-I don't know how to "cut" the element. I can remove the element, and put=
=20
into the dynapi.document, because I can't set the position correctily?

Cow

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[<bo...@co...>]

Hi!

I want to make a draggable Item for List,Tree,Grid element...

Cow

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

I can't fully understand what's going on. You'll have
to supply an example.

--
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--- Háber János <bo...@co...> wrote:
> 2003. október 1. 22.48 dátummal Raymond Irving ezt
> írta:
> > Ok. Then you should use the setZIndex() DynLayer
> > function
> I try, because both object Z index is 1;
> The a booject is the b object child. If I change the
> ZIndex nothing happend.
> Cow
> 
> 
> 
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RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Well Daniel I guess you're correct on this one. the
StyleManager is not fully documented that's why it
might take some getting use to. 

I'll go ahead and redesign it and add some basic
examples and documentation.

PS. Please remember that the StyleManager Components
are main for demo use. The final design should however
be 95% compatible with the current.

--
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--- Daniel Tiru <de...@ti...> wrote:
> Hi Raymond!
> 
> I still actually dont get the style manager
> completly...
> 
> I have found styles in the gui catalog, but forgive
> me if i am a bit
> slow. But i dont really get it :(
> 
> Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a
> style like
> viewpane.style (or am i already out of the area)? 
> How do i change the style for that one without
> modifying the source of
> the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of it,
> edit it and add it
> to packages.js?
> 
> Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI
> will always be updated,
> meaning you always have to get a new packages file,
> witch will overwrite
> your personal entry. I think i have seen or atleast
> think i have seen,
> that you dont need to add stuff to packages but can
> do that in your code
> on your page? Is it this way we should do it?
> 
> Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to
> keep track on.
> 
> I would vote for the stylemanager, if i could
> understand it. Could you
> make any basic example using a external style who is
> outside of the
> dynapi structure, how to change the style and so on?
> Make it a very
> simple example so atleast i get it :) Maybee I'm not
> alone and thats why
> noone else responds :)
> 
> Best regards
> Daniel
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dyn...@li...
> [mailto:dyn...@li...] On
> Behalf Of Raymond
> Irving
> Sent: den 2 oktober 2003 06:18
> To: DynAPI-Dev
> Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> As it relates to the future of Widget creation, do
> you
> think we should go Stylable Widgets (like the ones
> that use the StyleManager) or should we stick to
> traditional Widget design?
> 
> Please give your answer and reason why
> 
> 
> --
> Raymond Irving
> 
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> search
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library

[Raymond I. <xw...@ya...>]

Hi,

Notice that you're using dynapi.library.path before
you call the dynapi.library.setPath() function.

This should be the correct way:

dynapi.library.setPath('../src/');

// add your packages after 
// you've set the library path
dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library,path);
dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','bystrom/gui/button.js');

The above should now work but personally I would write
it like this:

dynapi.library.addPackage('bystrom',dynapi.library,path+'bystrom/');
dynapi.library.add('bystrom.Button','gui/button.js','DynLayer');
// where the Button is Dependent on the DynLayer
object


--
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--- Michael Bystrom <mi...@mi...>
wrote:
> 
> 
> Ok it's sorta working then hehe :) I started to look
> into this but there are
> soooo much new code, need to get that feeling you
> know...
> 
> 
> 
> Problem 2)
> 
> There would be to much typing for this so I took 2
> screen shoots to show
> In sort; the packages are not loaded if added inside
> main html document.
> I'm under the impression that this should work?
> 
> Here is a working test
>
http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/ok-lib.gif
> 
> Not working
>
http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/no-lib.gif
> 
> am I doing something wrong?
> 
> For developers that only what to add their own litte
> widget this should be
> the way don't you think
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> > I see the problem. The library system is not
> > respecting the object's namespace.
> > 
> > The attached file is a quick fix. But library.js
> will
> > still register dynapi.gui.Button as being loaded
> even
> > though it's not loaded.
> > Remember that if you use
> > dynapi.library.include('Button') it will load the
> last
> > Button object that was added to the library. If
> you
> > need to load specific libraries then you will have
> to
> > use their full names:
> > dynapi.library.include('bystrom.Button')
> > or
> > dynapi.library.include(dynapi.gui.Button')
> > 
> > PS. This temp fix has not been tested with
> > dependencies. Dan will have to look more into this
> > problem.
> > --
> > Raymond Irving
> 
> 
> 
>
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Drag & Object

[<bo...@co...>]

2003. okt=F3ber 1. 22.48 d=E1tummal Raymond Irving ezt =EDrta:
> Ok. Then you should use the setZIndex() DynLayer
> function
I try, because both object Z index is 1;
The a booject is the b object child. If I change the ZIndex nothing happend.
Cow

RE: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....

[Daniel T. <de...@ti...>]

Hi Raymond!

I still actually dont get the style manager completly...

I have found styles in the gui catalog, but forgive me if i am a bit
slow. But i dont really get it :(

Say i have the viewpane and by default it uses a style like
viewpane.style (or am i already out of the area)? 
How do i change the style for that one without modifying the source of
the viewpane.style? Do I have to make a copy of it, edit it and add it
to packages.js?

Or is there some other way? Cause i think dynAPI will always be updated,
meaning you always have to get a new packages file, witch will overwrite
your personal entry. I think i have seen or atleast think i have seen,
that you dont need to add stuff to packages but can do that in your code
on your page? Is it this way we should do it?

Sorry for beeing a bit slow, but its so mutch to keep track on.

I would vote for the stylemanager, if i could understand it. Could you
make any basic example using a external style who is outside of the
dynapi structure, how to change the style and so on? Make it a very
simple example so atleast i get it :) Maybee I'm not alone and thats why
noone else responds :)

Best regards
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: dyn...@li...
[mailto:dyn...@li...] On Behalf Of Raymond
Irving
Sent: den 2 oktober 2003 06:18
To: DynAPI-Dev
Subject: [Dynapi-Dev] Question for developers....


Hello Everyone,

As it relates to the future of Widget creation, do you
think we should go Stylable Widgets (like the ones
that use the StyleManager) or should we stick to
traditional Widget design?

Please give your answer and reason why


--
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Re: [Dynapi-Dev] Upgrade questions library

[Michael B. <mi...@mi...>]

Ok it's sorta working then hehe :) I started to look into this but there are
soooo much new code, need to get that feeling you know...



Problem 2)

There would be to much typing for this so I took 2 screen shoots to show
In sort; the packages are not loaded if added inside main html document.
I'm under the impression that this should work?

Here is a working test
http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/ok-lib.gif

Not working
http://www.michaelbystrom.com/download/dev/no-lib.gif

am I doing something wrong?

For developers that only what to add their own litte widget this should be
the way don't you think

Michael


> I see the problem. The library system is not
> respecting the object's namespace.
> 
> The attached file is a quick fix. But library.js will
> still register dynapi.gui.Button as being loaded even
> though it's not loaded.
> Remember that if you use
> dynapi.library.include('Button') it will load the last
> Button object that was added to the library. If you
> need to load specific libraries then you will have to
> use their full names:
> dynapi.library.include('bystrom.Button')
> or
> dynapi.library.include(dynapi.gui.Button')
> 
> PS. This temp fix has not been tested with
> dependencies. Dan will have to look more into this
> problem.
> --
> Raymond Irving

Re: [Dynapi-Dev] List and Label widget Ported, check needed

[<bo...@co...>]

Hi!

I now want to create a Dragable Node Object for List,Tree,Grid...

Cow