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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line
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From: Rob V. <rv...@do...> - 2016-05-19 09:51:26
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Comments inline: On 12/04/2016 19:55, "Tomasz Pluskiewicz" <tom...@gm...> wrote: >Hi guys, > >Rob, I'm very sorry to hear that you have to leave DotNetRDF. There is >very unfortunate mix of slow adoption of RDF in general and poor >community around it. This is especially true in the .NET space which >resists any non-mainstream (and to some extent non-MS) stuff really. >Sadly, this applies to many failed or marginalized .NET OSS projects. > >I am likely the least active of the contributors. Unfortunately I've >only briefly used DNR at work and otherwise it is just side projects and >ongoing personal interest, however we all know how that goes :(. >Anyways, I've had little problems with the library lately. It mostly >"just works" for whatever I needed it for. > >That said there is the 1.9 branch, which I've noticed has some >prerelease packages released and the modularity is a good direction. If >we need to choose I think we should invest in that. The current solution >even proved troublesome to build locally sometimes for me. Also, it is >simply a very complex project and I honestly feel daunted by the inner >workings in some parts. Both would be a barrier for newcomers. Part of the issue is that the 1.9 Branch is not just a division into small modules but very much a ground up rewrite and as such I ran out of steam because it is a daunting task. The very core i.e. Nodes, triples, quads, graphs and collections thereof is complete and fairly stable though with some fairly major Breaking changes. The basic IO API was also pretty much done though some of the dynamic loading I/O formats was not working correctly. I had started on writing a completely new query engine but that was nowhere near complete and a lot of important supporting pieces such as a query parser are notably missing. https://bitbucket.org/dotnetrdf/dotnetrdf/wiki/DeveloperGuide/Architecture/Design/2.0 details what I was heading towards that is by no means accurate reflection of What I actually implemented once I started making changes For any project of this size large-scale changes are slow, painful and boring to implement which makes it hard to attract people to do the work. It is often easier to continue to maintain a bloated and somewhat broken implementation than it is to do a new one. Rob > >More inline. > >Regards, >Tom > >On 2016-04-12 11:57, Khalil Ahmed wrote: >> Hi Rob, >> >> I'm happy to continue working on DNR in the open - though if I am the >> only one who is going to spend time working on it I may change things >> up to suit my own development processes a bit as I'm more a Git/GitHub >> kinda guy. It would be great to keep the DNR domain and website. If >> I'm the only one working on things then I would prefer the issue >> tracker move over to GitHub with the repo to simplify / streamline >> things a bit. Ideally though I would prefer to do that sort of thing >> with some sort of community approval, and of course if there are a >> bunch of people who are happier with the current way things work then >> I'm also happy to talk about that too. >> >> So I'm going to put it out there as a proposal: >> >> 1) I'm willing to take over maintenance / development on DNR. I'm in a >> similar position to what Rob had recently - this won't be my full time >> work, it will have to fit in around stuff that actually pays the >> bills. However, as I said before we use DNR in commercial applications >> and in BrightstarDB so I at least have a some incentives to make sure >> stuff works ;-) >> >> 2) For my own ease of work I would like to transfer the DNR repo over >> to GitHub - this includes the issue tracker and, over time the wiki >> and possibly eventually the website too (the source code and issues >> would be the priority though). I would create a DotNetRDF Organization >> on GH that any other contributors would be free to join so the repos >> would be under something like github.com/DotNetRDF/.. >> <http://github.com/DotNetRDF/..>.. > >I definitely support that. I proposed the move to Bitbucket but ever >since I've moved to git and GitHub has only strengthened it's lead >position in open source community through ease of contributing, rich >features and 3rd party integrations. I think we should go that route, >with easier solution and CI setup. > >First things first though. Alas, as I said, I am not and likely won't >become a very active contributor but the least I could do is help with >rebooting DNR at GitHub. Be it through solution and CI overhaul or >moving wiki/issues/website to the new location. > >> >> 3) The project would keep the current MIT license. >> >> 4) I'm not in a position to actively maintain all of the different >> store integrations though (its quite a big ask to be constantly >> testing all of the different stores especially as some of them change >> quite frequently and require that weird-ass Java stuff ;-). I would be >> looking for volunteers to work on those and would probably split each >> one out into its own sub-project that can release at its own cadence. >> >> >> If anyone has any comments or opposition to that please raise it here. >> This is just a proposal and I won't be offended if people are against >> it or have other better ideas to put forwards! >> >> Rob, a couple of admin / ownership issues would arise here - these >> don't need to be actioned right now, I would just like to get an idea >> of what needs to happen if no one objects to the proposals above: >> >> a) Managing the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> domain - I'm >> happy to take over the cost of maintaining the domain and any hosting >> that you are paying for. Or if you would prefer to keep the domain >> that is cool too. >> b) NuGet releases - I think this should be as simple as you adding a >> new package owner so that we can keep the existing NuGet package names. >> c) VDS.Common - as this is one of the key dependencies for DNR it >> would be good to know what your plans are with that project. Is it >> also something that should be transferred over ? >> d) Less important but currently the assemblies are signed right? It >> might be good to transfer the existing private key, but again its not >> a big deal if you would prefer to keep that and I just create a new >> private key for the next DNR release. >> >> Cheers >> >> Kal >> >> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do... >> <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote: >> >> Kal >> >> Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course >> continue to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish. >> Also I can give you or anyone else who wants it write access to >> the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> website, issue tracker etc. >> >> >> Rob >> >> From: Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne... >> <mailto:ka...@ne...>> >> Reply-To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request >> <dot...@li... >> <mailto:dot...@li...>> >> Date: Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38 >> To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request >> <dot...@li... >> <mailto:dot...@li...>> >> Subject: Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line >> >> Hey Rob, >> >> I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be >> contributing as much as I would have liked to / should have. >> However, I do fully understand your position - I've been in >> the same place myself with my open-source projects. I would >> like the awesome stuff that you have done with DNR to live on >> in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very least >> work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and >> services built on the libraries. However, if others are also >> willing to step up I'd be happy to talk about carrying the >> project as an open-source effort. >> >> If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the >> project proceeds, speak up now guys! >> >> Cheers >> >> Kal >> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse >> <rv...@do... <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote: >> >> Folks, >> >> So you may have noticed that there has not been any >> releases in a long time, and again you may have not since >> there is little to no activity here at all. >> >> Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the >> capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue >> making any efforts to take this project forward or even to >> continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is >> helping out with this the project is for all intents and >> purposes dead. >> >> As a good friend in the open source community is fond of >> saying: >> >> There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, >> sponsor, contribute >> >> Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building >> a community of contributors and has mostly relied on >> hoping someone else will do the work for them. I >> acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a >> viable community as it is a failure of the community to >> get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us >> in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills >> the project. >> >> Sorry to be leaving like this, >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Find and fix application performance issues faster with >> Applications Manager >> Applications Manager provides deep performance insights >> into multiple tiers of >> your business applications. It resolves application >> problems quickly and >> reduces your MTTR. 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