Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] TeamCity for dotNetRDF revisit

[Khalil A. <ka...@ne...>]

OK, found you :) I've invited you to the repo. If you have any ideas I'd be
pleased to hear them!


On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:20 AM, Khalil Ahmed <ka...@ne...>wrote:

> I didn't realize that they were private by default!
>
> Whats your user name on bitbucket, I'll grant you access. I'm hesitant to
> make the fork public in its current state :)
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:14 AM, Tomasz Pluskiewicz <
> tom...@gm...> wrote:
>
>> It seems your repository is private.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Khalil Ahmed <ka...@ne...>
>> wrote:
>> > Yep its under https://bitbucket.org/kal_ahmed/dotnetrdf. The main
>> problem is
>> > unit tests that test parts of the API that are not (and cannot be)
>> supported
>> > under the portable class library build.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:04 AM, Tomasz Pluskiewicz
>> > <tom...@gm...> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Do you have your fork publicly visible? I wonder why we need
>> >> conditional compilation in unit tests...
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:55 AM, Khalil Ahmed <
>> ka...@ne...>
>> >> wrote:
>> >> > Hi Tom,
>> >> >
>> >> > Good point! I think if everything is set up so that it is possible to
>> >> > use
>> >> > NUnit without requiring ReSharper I would be happy.
>> >> >
>> >> > One of the reasons why the portable stuff is taking a while is that I
>> >> > wanted
>> >> > to get as many of the unit tests working with the portable library as
>> >> > possible, so we may need to coordinate on this as I have some changes
>> >> > (mostly conditional compilation of unit tests) that will clash with
>> any
>> >> > wholesale change of the unit test infrastructure and I really really
>> >> > don't
>> >> > want to have to manually merge it all :)
>> >> >
>> >> > Cheers
>> >> >
>> >> > Kal
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Tomasz Pluskiewicz
>> >> > <tom...@gm...> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Khal
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Actaully in terms of CI environment switching ot NUnit means one
>> thing
>> >> >> less to install, because MSTest requires installing Visual Studio to
>> >> >> run and NUnit is bundled with probabyl about any CI server out
>> there.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I merely suggested Reshareper as a convenient test runner
>> replacement.
>> >> >> By the way there is a trick, which can be employed to automatically
>> >> >> start NUnit GUI runner and attach VS debugger on start. For that the
>> >> >> test project has to be changed to a console app. Simple and should
>> >> >> work for anyone who doesn't have R# on their box.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tom
>> >> >>
>> >> >> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:49 AM, Khalil Ahmed <
>> ka...@ne...>
>> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> > I already have a ReSharper license so its not a big problem for
>> me to
>> >> >> > switch. However, in my day-to-day (closed source) work, I prefer
>> to
>> >> >> > use
>> >> >> > MSTest just because it means one less thing to install when I set
>> up
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > development environment or continuous integration server. While
>> right
>> >> >> > now it
>> >> >> > sounds like the three of us are OK if we move things to
>> >> >> > NUnit/Resharper,
>> >> >> > my
>> >> >> > concern is that it puts up another barrier to entry.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > To be clear, I use and love ReSharper - but we need to be clear
>> that
>> >> >> > if
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > build is dependent on it, we are relying on a third-party
>> >> >> > closed-source
>> >> >> > application. JetBrains are extremely generous towards open-source
>> >> >> > projects
>> >> >> > and that is to be welcomed, but at the end of the day it is a
>> >> >> > business
>> >> >> > decision, and those decisions can just as easily be reversed.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So my gut instinct is that unless NUnit *by itself* (i.e. without
>> >> >> > added
>> >> >> > ReSharper goodness) provides tooling / features that we require we
>> >> >> > should
>> >> >> > stick with MSTest.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Just my 2p :)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > K
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Hey Tom
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Yes we've gone around on this a couple of times before and I have
>> >> >> >> never
>> >> >> >> had the free time to look into it further.  If you have the
>> capacity
>> >> >> >> to
>> >> >> >> set up TeamCity to run builds and testing that would be great.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> If you want to explore moving to NUnit that is fine provided you
>> do
>> >> >> >> it
>> >> >> >> in
>> >> >> >> a separate branch/fork for the time being.  Now the remaining
>> >> >> >> blocker
>> >> >> >> bug
>> >> >> >> you had open (graph equality) is solved I want to go ahead and
>> run
>> >> >> >> regressions and then hopefully push out 1.0.0 towards the end of
>> the
>> >> >> >> week
>> >> >> >> (unless you have any objections?) so anything that interferes
>> with
>> >> >> >> that
>> >> >> >> is
>> >> >> >> bad for me right now!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> For me the deal breaker is being able to Debug tests inside of
>> >> >> >> Visual
>> >> >> >> Studio without having to jump through additional hoops (i.e.
>> Debug >
>> >> >> >> Attach to Process) as NUnit straight out the box seems to
>> require.
>> >> >> >> To
>> >> >> >> be
>> >> >> >> honest even if JetBrains won't give us an open source ReSharper
>> >> >> >> license
>> >> >> >> I
>> >> >> >> can easily afford to buy a personal license since I imagine it is
>> >> >> >> primarily me who spends a lot of time running tests in Debug
>> mode.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'll start a separate thread on NuGet publishing
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Rob
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> On 4/13/13 3:23 AM, "Tomasz Pluskiewicz"
>> >> >> >> <tom...@gm...>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >Hi Rob
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Some time we discussed setting up continous integration for
>> >> >> >> > dotNetRDF.
>> >> >> >> >I am upgrading my VPS to a more powerful machine and I have
>> already
>> >> >> >> >set up TeamCity. It will also be possible to install some
>> >> >> >> > triplestores
>> >> >> >> >for integration testing.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >However I'm hitting a wall with unit tests because you use
>> MSTest.
>> >> >> >> >Would you be fine with me converting to NUnit? That way TeamCity
>> >> >> >> > will
>> >> >> >> >run without installing Visual Studio and VS Express users will
>> also
>> >> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >> >able to build the whole solution. Also I think we could ask
>> >> >> >> > JetBrains
>> >> >> >> >for ReSharper licence for our project (in case you would ask
>> about
>> >> >> >> >running the test suite from within VS). Oh and by the way, with
>> the
>> >> >> >> >introduction of NUnit there can be a lot less code for similar
>> >> >> >> > tests,
>> >> >> >> >which can be parametrized. I assume you know the TestCase
>> >> >> >> > attribute.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >When TeamCity builds are running I think we should also automate
>> >> >> >> > NuGet
>> >> >> >> >publishing. For that some changes will be needed to have
>> automatic
>> >> >> >> >version numbering. Also you would have to explain how you nuget
>> >> >> >> > pack
>> >> >> >> >dotNetRDF. In a separate email maybe.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Also I thought that maybe there could be two flavors of those
>> >> >> >> >packages. One as usual for stable builds and a new one, which
>> would
>> >> >> >> >publish automatically for each successful build. What do you
>> think?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >A thing to consider here is moving to a dedicated branch for
>> >> >> >> > release
>> >> >> >> >development and leaving default only for bugfixes.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Any thoughs?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Thanks
>> >> >> >> >Tom
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > >
>> >> >> >> > > >
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>> >> >> > Kal Ahmed
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