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[dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Rob V. <rv...@do...>]

Folks,

So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here at all.

Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes dead.

As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:

 There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor, contribute

Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills the project.

Sorry to be leaving like this,

Rob 

Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Khalil A. <ka...@ne...>]

Hey Rob,

I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be contributing as
much as I would have liked to  / should have. However, I do fully
understand your position - I've been in the same place myself with my
open-source projects. I would like the awesome stuff that you have done
with DNR to live on in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very
least work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and services
built on the libraries. However, if others are also willing to step up I'd
be happy to talk about carrying the project as an open-source effort.

If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the project
proceeds, speak up now guys!

Cheers

Kal

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long
> time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here
> at all.
>
> Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to
> unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this
> project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one
> else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes
> dead.
>
> As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:
>
>  There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor,
> contribute
>
> Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of
> contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work
> for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable
> community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved
> but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down
> essentially kills the project.
>
> Sorry to be leaving like this,
>
> Rob
>
>
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Max - M. <ma...@mi...>]

Hi Rob,

All like Kal said, I'm also sorry to see you go.

I wish I could have contributed more on the project last year, but the
company I work for decided to switch to more mainstream technologies
despite my efforts to make RDF our underlying standard (thus the long
silence since my last PR).

DNR is such an awesome library and I can't but admire the work and efforts
you've invested into it since its creation. Thank you thousands of times
for that.

As for Kal's request, of course I feel DNR should continue since it is the
only mature enough available RDF library for the .Net environment and I
would hate to see it become yet another RDF project to go into oblivion and
as much as I do not despair to get back to the semantic side, I do not
unfortunately currently have the time neither the skills and Rob-wise
preciseness to actively work on it.
Anyway, I'd still like to contribute as much as I possibly can so count me
in for any discussion about the project's future,

Cheers and take care,
Max.



2016-04-11 12:38 GMT+02:00 Khalil Ahmed <ka...@ne...>:

> Hey Rob,
>
> I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be contributing as
> much as I would have liked to  / should have. However, I do fully
> understand your position - I've been in the same place myself with my
> open-source projects. I would like the awesome stuff that you have done
> with DNR to live on in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very
> least work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and services
> built on the libraries. However, if others are also willing to step up I'd
> be happy to talk about carrying the project as an open-source effort.
>
> If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the project
> proceeds, speak up now guys!
>
> Cheers
>
> Kal
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long
>> time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here
>> at all.
>>
>> Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to
>> unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this
>> project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one
>> else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes
>> dead.
>>
>> As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:
>>
>>  There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor,
>> contribute
>>
>> Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of
>> contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work
>> for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable
>> community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved
>> but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down
>> essentially kills the project.
>>
>> Sorry to be leaving like this,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Rob V. <rv...@do...>]

Kal

Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course continue to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish. Also I can give you or anyone else who wants it write access to the dotnetrdf.org website, issue tracker etc.


Rob

From:  Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne...>
Reply-To:  dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request <dot...@li...>
Date:  Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38
To:  dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request <dot...@li...>
Subject:  Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

Hey Rob,

I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be contributing as much as I would have liked to  / should have. However, I do fully understand your position - I've been in the same place myself with my open-source projects. I would like the awesome stuff that you have done with DNR to live on in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very least work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and services built on the libraries. However, if others are also willing to step up I'd be happy to talk about carrying the project as an open-source effort.

If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the project proceeds, speak up now guys!

Cheers

Kal

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:
Folks,

So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here at all.

Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes dead.

As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:

 There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor, contribute

Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills the project.

Sorry to be leaving like this,

Rob 

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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Khalil A. <ka...@ne...>]

Hi Rob,

I'm happy to continue working on DNR in the open - though if I am the only
one who is going to spend time working on it I may change things up to suit
my own development processes a bit as I'm more a Git/GitHub kinda guy. It
would be great to keep the DNR domain and website. If I'm the only one
working on things then I would prefer the issue tracker move over to GitHub
with the repo to simplify / streamline things a bit. Ideally though I would
prefer to do that sort of thing with some sort of community approval, and
of course if there are a bunch of people who are happier with the current
way things work then I'm also happy to talk about that too.

So I'm going to put it out there as a proposal:

1) I'm willing to take over maintenance / development on DNR. I'm in a
similar position to what Rob had recently - this won't be my full time
work, it will have to fit in around stuff that actually pays the bills.
However, as I said before we use DNR in commercial applications and in
BrightstarDB so I at least have a some incentives to make sure stuff works
;-)

2) For my own ease of work I would like to transfer the DNR repo over to
GitHub - this includes the issue tracker and, over time the wiki and
possibly eventually the website too (the source code and issues would be
the priority though). I would create a DotNetRDF Organization on GH that
any other contributors would be free to join so the repos would be under
something like github.com/DotNetRDF/....

3) The project would keep the current MIT license.

4) I'm not in a position to actively maintain all of the different store
integrations though (its quite a big ask to be constantly testing all of
the different stores especially as some of them change quite frequently and
require that weird-ass Java stuff ;-). I would be looking for volunteers to
work on those and would probably split each one out into its own
sub-project that can release at its own cadence.


If anyone has any comments or opposition to that please raise it here. This
is just a proposal and I won't be offended if people are against it or have
other better ideas to put forwards!

Rob, a couple of admin / ownership issues would arise here - these don't
need to be actioned right now, I would just like to get an idea of what
needs to happen if no one objects to the proposals above:

a) Managing the dotnetrdf.org domain - I'm happy to take over the cost of
maintaining the domain and any hosting that you are paying for. Or if you
would prefer to keep the domain that is cool too.
b) NuGet releases - I think this should be as simple as you adding a new
package owner so that we can keep the existing NuGet package names.
c) VDS.Common - as this is one of the key dependencies for DNR it would be
good to know what your plans are with that project. Is it also something
that should be transferred over ?
d) Less important but currently the assemblies are signed right? It might
be good to transfer the existing private key, but again its not a big deal
if you would prefer to keep that and I just create a new private key for
the next DNR release.

Cheers

Kal

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:

> Kal
>
> Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course continue
> to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish. Also I can give
> you or anyone else who wants it write access to the dotnetrdf.org
> website, issue tracker etc.
>
>
> Rob
>
> From: Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne...>
> Reply-To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request <
> dot...@li...>
> Date: Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38
> To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request <
> dot...@li...>
> Subject: Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line
>
> Hey Rob,
>
> I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be contributing as
> much as I would have liked to  / should have. However, I do fully
> understand your position - I've been in the same place myself with my
> open-source projects. I would like the awesome stuff that you have done
> with DNR to live on in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very
> least work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and services
> built on the libraries. However, if others are also willing to step up I'd
> be happy to talk about carrying the project as an open-source effort.
>
> If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the project
> proceeds, speak up now guys!
>
> Cheers
>
> Kal
>
> On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long
>> time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here
>> at all.
>>
>> Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to
>> unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this
>> project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one
>> else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes
>> dead.
>>
>> As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:
>>
>>  There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor,
>> contribute
>>
>> Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of
>> contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work
>> for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable
>> community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved
>> but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down
>> essentially kills the project.
>>
>> Sorry to be leaving like this,
>>
>> Rob
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>> Manager
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>> tiers of
>> your business applications. It resolves application problems quickly and
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>>
>>
>
>
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Tomasz P. <tom...@gm...>]

Hi guys,

Rob, I'm very sorry to hear that you have to leave DotNetRDF. There is 
very unfortunate mix of slow adoption of RDF in general and poor 
community around it. This is especially true in the .NET space which 
resists any non-mainstream (and to some extent non-MS) stuff really. 
Sadly, this applies to many failed or marginalized .NET OSS projects.

I am likely the least active of the contributors. Unfortunately I've 
only briefly used DNR at work and otherwise it is just side projects and 
ongoing personal interest, however we all know how that goes :(. 
Anyways, I've had little problems with the library lately. It mostly 
"just works" for whatever I needed it for.

That said there is the 1.9 branch, which I've noticed has some 
prerelease packages released and the modularity is a good direction. If 
we need to choose I think we should invest in that. The current solution 
even proved troublesome to build locally sometimes for me. Also, it is 
simply a very complex project and I honestly feel daunted by the inner 
workings in some parts. Both would be a barrier for newcomers.

More inline.

Regards,
Tom

On 2016-04-12 11:57, Khalil Ahmed wrote:
> Hi Rob,
>
> I'm happy to continue working on DNR in the open - though if I am the 
> only one who is going to spend time working on it I may change things 
> up to suit my own development processes a bit as I'm more a Git/GitHub 
> kinda guy. It would be great to keep the DNR domain and website. If 
> I'm the only one working on things then I would prefer the issue 
> tracker move over to GitHub with the repo to simplify / streamline 
> things a bit. Ideally though I would prefer to do that sort of thing 
> with some sort of community approval, and of course if there are a 
> bunch of people who are happier with the current way things work then 
> I'm also happy to talk about that too.
>
> So I'm going to put it out there as a proposal:
>
> 1) I'm willing to take over maintenance / development on DNR. I'm in a 
> similar position to what Rob had recently - this won't be my full time 
> work, it will have to fit in around stuff that actually pays the 
> bills. However, as I said before we use DNR in commercial applications 
> and in BrightstarDB so I at least have a some incentives to make sure 
> stuff works ;-)
>
> 2) For my own ease of work I would like to transfer the DNR repo over 
> to GitHub - this includes the issue tracker and, over time the wiki 
> and possibly eventually the website too (the source code and issues 
> would be the priority though). I would create a DotNetRDF Organization 
> on GH that any other contributors would be free to join so the repos 
> would be under something like github.com/DotNetRDF/.. 
> <http://github.com/DotNetRDF/..>..

I definitely support that. I proposed the move to Bitbucket but ever 
since I've moved to git and GitHub has only strengthened it's lead 
position in open source community through ease of contributing, rich 
features and 3rd party integrations. I think we should go that route, 
with easier solution and CI setup.

First things first though. Alas, as I said, I am not and likely won't 
become a very active contributor but the least I could do is help with 
rebooting DNR at GitHub. Be it through solution and CI overhaul or 
moving wiki/issues/website to the new location.

>
> 3) The project would keep the current MIT license.
>
> 4) I'm not in a position to actively maintain all of the different 
> store integrations though (its quite a big ask to be constantly 
> testing all of the different stores especially as some of them change 
> quite frequently and require that weird-ass Java stuff ;-). I would be 
> looking for volunteers to work on those and would probably split each 
> one out into its own sub-project that can release at its own cadence.
>
>
> If anyone has any comments or opposition to that please raise it here. 
> This is just a proposal and I won't be offended if people are against 
> it or have other better ideas to put forwards!
>
> Rob, a couple of admin / ownership issues would arise here - these 
> don't need to be actioned right now, I would just like to get an idea 
> of what needs to happen if no one objects to the proposals above:
>
> a) Managing the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> domain - I'm 
> happy to take over the cost of maintaining the domain and any hosting 
> that you are paying for. Or if you would prefer to keep the domain 
> that is cool too.
> b) NuGet releases - I think this should be as simple as you adding a 
> new package owner so that we can keep the existing NuGet package names.
> c) VDS.Common - as this is one of the key dependencies for DNR it 
> would be good to know what your plans are with that project. Is it 
> also something that should be transferred over ?
> d) Less important but currently the assemblies are signed right? It 
> might be good to transfer the existing private key, but again its not 
> a big deal if you would prefer to keep that and I just create a new 
> private key for the next DNR release.
>
> Cheers
>
> Kal
>
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do... 
> <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
>
>     Kal
>
>     Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course
>     continue to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish.
>     Also I can give you or anyone else who wants it write access to
>     the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> website, issue tracker etc.
>
>
>     Rob
>
>     From: Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne...
>     <mailto:ka...@ne...>>
>     Reply-To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
>     <dot...@li...
>     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
>     Date: Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38
>     To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
>     <dot...@li...
>     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
>     Subject: Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line
>
>         Hey Rob,
>
>         I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be
>         contributing as much as I would have liked to  / should have.
>         However, I do fully understand your position - I've been in
>         the same place myself with my open-source projects. I would
>         like the awesome stuff that you have done with DNR to live on
>         in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very least
>         work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and
>         services built on the libraries. However, if others are also
>         willing to step up I'd be happy to talk about carrying the
>         project as an open-source effort.
>
>         If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the
>         project proceeds, speak up now guys!
>
>         Cheers
>
>         Kal
>
>         On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse
>         <rv...@do... <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
>
>             Folks,
>
>             So you may have noticed that there has not been any
>             releases in a long time, and again you may have not since
>             there  is little to no activity here at all.
>
>             Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the
>             capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue
>             making any efforts to take this project forward or even to
>             continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is
>             helping out with this the project is for all intents and
>             purposes dead.
>
>             As a good friend in the open source community is fond of
>             saying:
>
>              There are three ways to participate in open source -hope,
>             sponsor, contribute
>
>             Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building
>             a community of contributors and has mostly relied on
>             hoping someone else will do the work for them. I
>             acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a
>             viable community as it is a failure of the community to
>             get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us
>             in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills
>             the project.
>
>             Sorry to be leaving like this,
>
>             Rob
>
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Khalil A. <ka...@ne...>]

Yep I agree that the restructuring that is on the 1.9 branch would be a
good place to start. The way I think I would tackle this would be to start
with a full port of the hg repo to GitHub in its current state and then
start on the restructuring so that we keep all the commit history. I'd
appreciate the help on getting the CI stuff in place and maybe a
walkthrough on how it all works with TeamCity so that I can also help to
keep it running - we just moved over to TeamCity on-premise at work so I've
at least got a bit of an idea what the different buttons do now! But what
would be most useful right now would be to look at the project structure
both the current one and the 1.9 branch and maybe collaborate on this list
on coming up with a good way to move forward. At this point we could also
talk about the build tools and the build process in general and see how we
can simplify things. I'm hoping to get some time on Friday to have a deeper
dive into this and see what ideas I can come up with...at that point I'll
start a separate thread with my thoughts!

Cheers

Kal


On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 7:55 PM, Tomasz Pluskiewicz <
tom...@gm...> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Rob, I'm very sorry to hear that you have to leave DotNetRDF. There is
> very unfortunate mix of slow adoption of RDF in general and poor
> community around it. This is especially true in the .NET space which
> resists any non-mainstream (and to some extent non-MS) stuff really.
> Sadly, this applies to many failed or marginalized .NET OSS projects.
>
> I am likely the least active of the contributors. Unfortunately I've
> only briefly used DNR at work and otherwise it is just side projects and
> ongoing personal interest, however we all know how that goes :(.
> Anyways, I've had little problems with the library lately. It mostly
> "just works" for whatever I needed it for.
>
> That said there is the 1.9 branch, which I've noticed has some
> prerelease packages released and the modularity is a good direction. If
> we need to choose I think we should invest in that. The current solution
> even proved troublesome to build locally sometimes for me. Also, it is
> simply a very complex project and I honestly feel daunted by the inner
> workings in some parts. Both would be a barrier for newcomers.
>
> More inline.
>
> Regards,
> Tom
>
> On 2016-04-12 11:57, Khalil Ahmed wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > I'm happy to continue working on DNR in the open - though if I am the
> > only one who is going to spend time working on it I may change things
> > up to suit my own development processes a bit as I'm more a Git/GitHub
> > kinda guy. It would be great to keep the DNR domain and website. If
> > I'm the only one working on things then I would prefer the issue
> > tracker move over to GitHub with the repo to simplify / streamline
> > things a bit. Ideally though I would prefer to do that sort of thing
> > with some sort of community approval, and of course if there are a
> > bunch of people who are happier with the current way things work then
> > I'm also happy to talk about that too.
> >
> > So I'm going to put it out there as a proposal:
> >
> > 1) I'm willing to take over maintenance / development on DNR. I'm in a
> > similar position to what Rob had recently - this won't be my full time
> > work, it will have to fit in around stuff that actually pays the
> > bills. However, as I said before we use DNR in commercial applications
> > and in BrightstarDB so I at least have a some incentives to make sure
> > stuff works ;-)
> >
> > 2) For my own ease of work I would like to transfer the DNR repo over
> > to GitHub - this includes the issue tracker and, over time the wiki
> > and possibly eventually the website too (the source code and issues
> > would be the priority though). I would create a DotNetRDF Organization
> > on GH that any other contributors would be free to join so the repos
> > would be under something like github.com/DotNetRDF/..
> > <http://github.com/DotNetRDF/..>..
>
> I definitely support that. I proposed the move to Bitbucket but ever
> since I've moved to git and GitHub has only strengthened it's lead
> position in open source community through ease of contributing, rich
> features and 3rd party integrations. I think we should go that route,
> with easier solution and CI setup.
>
> First things first though. Alas, as I said, I am not and likely won't
> become a very active contributor but the least I could do is help with
> rebooting DNR at GitHub. Be it through solution and CI overhaul or
> moving wiki/issues/website to the new location.
>
> >
> > 3) The project would keep the current MIT license.
> >
> > 4) I'm not in a position to actively maintain all of the different
> > store integrations though (its quite a big ask to be constantly
> > testing all of the different stores especially as some of them change
> > quite frequently and require that weird-ass Java stuff ;-). I would be
> > looking for volunteers to work on those and would probably split each
> > one out into its own sub-project that can release at its own cadence.
> >
> >
> > If anyone has any comments or opposition to that please raise it here.
> > This is just a proposal and I won't be offended if people are against
> > it or have other better ideas to put forwards!
> >
> > Rob, a couple of admin / ownership issues would arise here - these
> > don't need to be actioned right now, I would just like to get an idea
> > of what needs to happen if no one objects to the proposals above:
> >
> > a) Managing the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> domain - I'm
> > happy to take over the cost of maintaining the domain and any hosting
> > that you are paying for. Or if you would prefer to keep the domain
> > that is cool too.
> > b) NuGet releases - I think this should be as simple as you adding a
> > new package owner so that we can keep the existing NuGet package names.
> > c) VDS.Common - as this is one of the key dependencies for DNR it
> > would be good to know what your plans are with that project. Is it
> > also something that should be transferred over ?
> > d) Less important but currently the assemblies are signed right? It
> > might be good to transfer the existing private key, but again its not
> > a big deal if you would prefer to keep that and I just create a new
> > private key for the next DNR release.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Kal
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...
> > <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
> >
> >     Kal
> >
> >     Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course
> >     continue to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish.
> >     Also I can give you or anyone else who wants it write access to
> >     the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> website, issue tracker etc.
> >
> >
> >     Rob
> >
> >     From: Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne...
> >     <mailto:ka...@ne...>>
> >     Reply-To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
> >     <dot...@li...
> >     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
> >     Date: Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38
> >     To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
> >     <dot...@li...
> >     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
> >     Subject: Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line
> >
> >         Hey Rob,
> >
> >         I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be
> >         contributing as much as I would have liked to  / should have.
> >         However, I do fully understand your position - I've been in
> >         the same place myself with my open-source projects. I would
> >         like the awesome stuff that you have done with DNR to live on
> >         in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very least
> >         work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and
> >         services built on the libraries. However, if others are also
> >         willing to step up I'd be happy to talk about carrying the
> >         project as an open-source effort.
> >
> >         If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the
> >         project proceeds, speak up now guys!
> >
> >         Cheers
> >
> >         Kal
> >
> >         On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse
> >         <rv...@do... <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
> >
> >             Folks,
> >
> >             So you may have noticed that there has not been any
> >             releases in a long time, and again you may have not since
> >             there  is little to no activity here at all.
> >
> >             Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the
> >             capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue
> >             making any efforts to take this project forward or even to
> >             continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is
> >             helping out with this the project is for all intents and
> >             purposes dead.
> >
> >             As a good friend in the open source community is fond of
> >             saying:
> >
> >              There are three ways to participate in open source -hope,
> >             sponsor, contribute
> >
> >             Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building
> >             a community of contributors and has mostly relied on
> >             hoping someone else will do the work for them. I
> >             acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a
> >             viable community as it is a failure of the community to
> >             get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us
> >             in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills
> >             the project.
> >
> >             Sorry to be leaving like this,
> >
> >             Rob
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >         --
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> >         Director, Networked Planet Limited
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> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Director, Networked Planet Limited
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> > w: www.networkedplanet.com <http://www.networkedplanet.com>
> >
> >
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Rob V. <rv...@do...>]

Comments inline:




On 12/04/2016 19:55, "Tomasz Pluskiewicz" <tom...@gm...> wrote:

>Hi guys,
>
>Rob, I'm very sorry to hear that you have to leave DotNetRDF. There is 
>very unfortunate mix of slow adoption of RDF in general and poor 
>community around it. This is especially true in the .NET space which 
>resists any non-mainstream (and to some extent non-MS) stuff really. 
>Sadly, this applies to many failed or marginalized .NET OSS projects.
>
>I am likely the least active of the contributors. Unfortunately I've 
>only briefly used DNR at work and otherwise it is just side projects and 
>ongoing personal interest, however we all know how that goes :(. 
>Anyways, I've had little problems with the library lately. It mostly 
>"just works" for whatever I needed it for.
>
>That said there is the 1.9 branch, which I've noticed has some 
>prerelease packages released and the modularity is a good direction. If 
>we need to choose I think we should invest in that. The current solution 
>even proved troublesome to build locally sometimes for me. Also, it is 
>simply a very complex project and I honestly feel daunted by the inner 
>workings in some parts. Both would be a barrier for newcomers.

Part of the issue is that the 1.9 Branch is not just a division into small modules but very much a ground up rewrite and as such I ran out of steam because it is a daunting task. The very core i.e. Nodes, triples, quads, graphs and collections thereof is complete and fairly stable though with some fairly major Breaking changes. The basic IO API was also pretty much done though some of the dynamic loading I/O formats was not working correctly. I had started on writing a completely new query engine but that was nowhere near complete and a lot of important supporting pieces such as a query parser are notably missing.

https://bitbucket.org/dotnetrdf/dotnetrdf/wiki/DeveloperGuide/Architecture/Design/2.0 details what I was heading towards that is by no means accurate reflection of What I actually implemented once I started making changes

For any project of this size large-scale changes are slow, painful and boring to implement which makes it hard to attract people to do the work. It is often easier to continue to maintain a bloated and somewhat broken implementation than it is to do a new one.

Rob

>
>More inline.
>
>Regards,
>Tom
>
>On 2016-04-12 11:57, Khalil Ahmed wrote:
>> Hi Rob,
>>
>> I'm happy to continue working on DNR in the open - though if I am the 
>> only one who is going to spend time working on it I may change things 
>> up to suit my own development processes a bit as I'm more a Git/GitHub 
>> kinda guy. It would be great to keep the DNR domain and website. If 
>> I'm the only one working on things then I would prefer the issue 
>> tracker move over to GitHub with the repo to simplify / streamline 
>> things a bit. Ideally though I would prefer to do that sort of thing 
>> with some sort of community approval, and of course if there are a 
>> bunch of people who are happier with the current way things work then 
>> I'm also happy to talk about that too.
>>
>> So I'm going to put it out there as a proposal:
>>
>> 1) I'm willing to take over maintenance / development on DNR. I'm in a 
>> similar position to what Rob had recently - this won't be my full time 
>> work, it will have to fit in around stuff that actually pays the 
>> bills. However, as I said before we use DNR in commercial applications 
>> and in BrightstarDB so I at least have a some incentives to make sure 
>> stuff works ;-)
>>
>> 2) For my own ease of work I would like to transfer the DNR repo over 
>> to GitHub - this includes the issue tracker and, over time the wiki 
>> and possibly eventually the website too (the source code and issues 
>> would be the priority though). I would create a DotNetRDF Organization 
>> on GH that any other contributors would be free to join so the repos 
>> would be under something like github.com/DotNetRDF/.. 
>> <http://github.com/DotNetRDF/..>..
>
>I definitely support that. I proposed the move to Bitbucket but ever 
>since I've moved to git and GitHub has only strengthened it's lead 
>position in open source community through ease of contributing, rich 
>features and 3rd party integrations. I think we should go that route, 
>with easier solution and CI setup.
>
>First things first though. Alas, as I said, I am not and likely won't 
>become a very active contributor but the least I could do is help with 
>rebooting DNR at GitHub. Be it through solution and CI overhaul or 
>moving wiki/issues/website to the new location.
>
>>
>> 3) The project would keep the current MIT license.
>>
>> 4) I'm not in a position to actively maintain all of the different 
>> store integrations though (its quite a big ask to be constantly 
>> testing all of the different stores especially as some of them change 
>> quite frequently and require that weird-ass Java stuff ;-). I would be 
>> looking for volunteers to work on those and would probably split each 
>> one out into its own sub-project that can release at its own cadence.
>>
>>
>> If anyone has any comments or opposition to that please raise it here. 
>> This is just a proposal and I won't be offended if people are against 
>> it or have other better ideas to put forwards!
>>
>> Rob, a couple of admin / ownership issues would arise here - these 
>> don't need to be actioned right now, I would just like to get an idea 
>> of what needs to happen if no one objects to the proposals above:
>>
>> a) Managing the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> domain - I'm 
>> happy to take over the cost of maintaining the domain and any hosting 
>> that you are paying for. Or if you would prefer to keep the domain 
>> that is cool too.
>> b) NuGet releases - I think this should be as simple as you adding a 
>> new package owner so that we can keep the existing NuGet package names.
>> c) VDS.Common - as this is one of the key dependencies for DNR it 
>> would be good to know what your plans are with that project. Is it 
>> also something that should be transferred over ?
>> d) Less important but currently the assemblies are signed right? It 
>> might be good to transfer the existing private key, but again its not 
>> a big deal if you would prefer to keep that and I just create a new 
>> private key for the next DNR release.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Kal
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do... 
>> <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Kal
>>
>>     Don't forget that you have commit privileges so you can of course
>>     continue to maintain the official repository yourself if you wish.
>>     Also I can give you or anyone else who wants it write access to
>>     the dotnetrdf.org <http://dotnetrdf.org> website, issue tracker etc.
>>
>>
>>     Rob
>>
>>     From: Kal Ahmed <ka...@ne...
>>     <mailto:ka...@ne...>>
>>     Reply-To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
>>     <dot...@li...
>>     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
>>     Date: Monday, 11 April 2016 11:38
>>     To: dotNetRDF Developer Discussion and Feature Request
>>     <dot...@li...
>>     <mailto:dot...@li...>>
>>     Subject: Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line
>>
>>         Hey Rob,
>>
>>         I'm sorry to see you go, and more sorry that I haven't be
>>         contributing as much as I would have liked to  / should have.
>>         However, I do fully understand your position - I've been in
>>         the same place myself with my open-source projects. I would
>>         like the awesome stuff that you have done with DNR to live on
>>         in some form. From a my perspective I will at the very least
>>         work on a fork of DNR as my company has a bunch of tools and
>>         services built on the libraries. However, if others are also
>>         willing to step up I'd be happy to talk about carrying the
>>         project as an open-source effort.
>>
>>         If anyone else on this list would like to discuss if/how the
>>         project proceeds, speak up now guys!
>>
>>         Cheers
>>
>>         Kal
>>
>>         On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 10:51 AM, Rob Vesse
>>         <rv...@do... <mailto:rv...@do...>> wrote:
>>
>>             Folks,
>>
>>             So you may have noticed that there has not been any
>>             releases in a long time, and again you may have not since
>>             there  is little to no activity here at all.
>>
>>             Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the
>>             capability (due to unforeseen health issues) to continue
>>             making any efforts to take this project forward or even to
>>             continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one else is
>>             helping out with this the project is for all intents and
>>             purposes dead.
>>
>>             As a good friend in the open source community is fond of
>>             saying:
>>
>>              There are three ways to participate in open source -hope,
>>             sponsor, contribute
>>
>>             Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building
>>             a community of contributors and has mostly relied on
>>             hoping someone else will do the work for them. I
>>             acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a
>>             viable community as it is a failure of the community to
>>             get more heavily involved but unfortunately it leaves us
>>             in a situation where my stepping down essentially kills
>>             the project.
>>
>>             Sorry to be leaving like this,
>>
>>             Rob
>>
>>             ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>             Applications Manager
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>>             into multiple tiers of
>>             your business applications. It resolves application
>>             problems quickly and
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>>
>>
>>
>>         -- 
>>         Kal Ahmed
>>         Director, Networked Planet Limited
>>         e: kal...@ne...
>>         <mailto:kal...@ne...>
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>> Director, Networked Planet Limited
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>> w: www.networkedplanet.com <http://www.networkedplanet.com>
>>
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Re: [dotNetRDF-Develop] End of line

[Ron M. Z. <ro...@ze...>]

Hey Rob,

As everyone else has said, I'm sorry to see you go and also sorry that I
haven't been able to contribute or do much in a long while. I'm most sorry
to hear of your health issues.

All the projects I had using RDF have died or were forced to move to other
technologies. Maybe I'll get to use it again someday. But thank you so very
much for all you've done for the community and all the help you've given me
over the past few years. Please let me know if there's every anything I
might be able to do for you.

Ron



So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long
time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here
at all.

Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to
unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this
project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one
else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes
dead.

As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:

 There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor,
contribute

Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of
contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work
for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable
community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved
but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down
essentially kills the project.

Sorry to be leaving like this,

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 5:51 AM, Rob Vesse <rv...@do...> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> So you may have noticed that there has not been any releases in a long
> time, and again you may have not since there  is little to no activity here
> at all.
>
> Personally I no longer have the drive, time nor the capability (due to
> unforeseen health issues) to continue making any efforts to take this
> project forward or even to continue to maintain it. Therefore since no one
> else is helping out with this the project is for all intents and purposes
> dead.
>
> As a good friend in the open source community is fond of saying:
>
>  There are three ways to participate in open source -hope, sponsor,
> contribute
>
> Unfortunately this project has never succeeded in building a community of
> contributors and has mostly relied on hoping someone else will do the work
> for them. I acknowledge that this is as much my failure to build a viable
> community as it is a failure of the community to get more heavily involved
> but unfortunately it leaves us in a situation where my stepping down
> essentially kills the project.
>
> Sorry to be leaving like this,
>
> Rob
>
>
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