Re: [Docutils-develop] Migrating to GitHub and overhauling the docs, Part II

[engelbert g. <eng...@gm...>]

Hei Luca :-) makes me smile, i like it

Am 23.05.2014 12:26 schrieb "Leandro Lucarella" <lu...@ll...>:
>
> You'll be surprised by how much difference could make for contributors
> to have a modern VCS.
> I know for people used to simpler things is a hard
> change, but once you do it, is really worth it. And it lowers the
> contribution barrier for young developers by an order of magnitude.

It is harder , but worth it and powers the barrier :-)
Low concrete wall ? Plesse Plesse do not geht me wrong. I habe RCS for vom,
CVS for 15+ year old Projects, svn for Newer ones, mercurial (Anon for
Python bug hunting) for cfg files, github for github projects.

> GitHub helps a lot with the social aspect of coding, having peer review

You habe peer reviews if there are peers, you either have or not. I am not
convinced that people not willing to unzip a svn client for a start, will
be contributing much, i mean  this is no barrier at all,

I might get  too old maybe retire ?

> makes contributors more involved and makes them want to contribute more.
> That's another huge win you don't (easily) get from using plain Git.
>
> I don't know if this would apply to any project, but I have a success
> story. For the D Programming Language and particularly the DMD compiler,
> the increase in the amount of contributions was boosted beyond belief.
> The BDFL of D, also a ~50 years old hacker,

I am LEDs hacker than engineer, means sound reasoning is more  to me.

We'll See , no right or  wrong !

> was wary, first of using
> a VCS at all (he shippied zips for each version with the source code),
> then, after moving to SVN, about switching to Git and GitHub. The change
> has been amazing.
>
> I wrote a small blog post about the project going more open,
> unfortunately this was just after the switch to SVN, so I don't have
> number for the switch to Git/GitHub, but I can take a few quick numbers
> now.
> From http://llucax.com.ar/blog/blog/post/6cac01e1
> "There were about 72 patches submitted to bugzilla before DMD was
> distributed with full source (72 patches in ~10 years) , since then, 206
> patches were submitted (that is, 206 patches in less than 8 months)."
>
> Doing a quick look at the last 8 months in GitHub
> (https://github.com/D-Programming-Language/dmd), there were 1482 commits
> (NOT counting merges), submitted by 48 different developpers. There were
> 205 commits only in the last 2 months, that's a 4x boost. And the
> compiler is getting more and more stable with time, so it's not that
> people went bananas implementing new stuff in the last months.
>
> Calculated using:
> git log --after='8 months ago' --no-merges --oneline | wc -l
> git log --after='8 months ago' --no-merges --format='%ae' | sort -u | wc
-l
>
> Anyway, this is just ONE success story, in which I've been involved
> through the whole process, starting from the extreme of not having a VCS
> at all. It doesn't mean it would have the same effect for this project,
> but what I meant to say is, it might worth trying, and what might look
> as introducing complexity for you, might be the exact opposite for other
> people and lower the barrier for contribution A LOT.
>
> > Everyone is online anyway, merging becomes harder the farther apart the
> > twigs are, ... So to me this is still a fad.
> >
> > I do not See ans hurdle in svn, update code diff commit, except that it
> > somehow enforces small increments to keep diffs readable, es hoch is a
gold
> > thing.
> >
> > And this ius a tool discussion, which is not a gold sign in my opinion,
> > remembering svn in berlios and fluxbnox docs, it is a disturbing
sidetrack.
> > Note: on Pragprog are books Luke 7 langs/DBS/... In ... Werks, and you
> > limit yourself to THE one VCS.
> >
> > My vote would be SF.net because as ACK for their support, hg because it
is
> > python, ...
> > but i wohnt veto.
> >
> > All the best e
>
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